The whole "Moderating Without Explanation" thing...

[GottaHavePride]

Let me tell you how it is from a moderator's perspective. Seriously. Pull up a chair (nappy tiems is NAO!)

So, a while back the admins looked around and realized that hey, they're all busy guys, Beano and Norm have busy jobs, David Earl was in and out of the country, LubTex dropped off the face of the earth, Dean doesn't have the internet at home, jkm didn't have time to keep running the vBookie stuff, etc. So they decided to add a couple of extra mods.

So they add me and bri, pretty much just to take care of the vBookie stuff, but we still had to have mod access for that. Plus, it was handy so that in an emergency (and gdc qualified back then) we could still keep a lid on things if no one else was around.

So at first we laid pretty low, kept posting as we were used to, really only used the moderator access to ban porn spambots and post vBookie events. The reaction we got was mostly "HOLY ****, BRI'S A MOD???!!! WHY NOT ME???!! RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE!!"

Through the whole thing I approached it like I always approach positions like this. I tried to answer people's questions about "what did so and so do to get banned?" and "why did that post get deleted?" and so forth.

And because we kept posting like usual we got accused of being too "flippant" about our "mod powers". Like we weren't "taking our responsibility seriously". And I managed to avoid the worst of it, but bri caught a LOT of **** and wound up stepping down. Actually, he had tried to step down earlier but Beano, Norm, and Dean wouldn't let him.

So at that point I figured that actually telling people why I was doing stuff just made them think I wasn't taking it seriously, so I stopped explaining. I just moderated what needed to be moderated and went about my business, assuming the offenders would either figure it out or do something idiotic and get canned permanently. Either way, problem solved.

The reaction we got to THAT was "OMG INCONSISTENT MODS! MODS ARE OUT TO GET ME!" Oh, and the hilarious "GHP BANS wHOEVER ANNOYS PG!" And it's funny, because the exact opposite is true. First, PG has never asked me to ban anyone. Well, maybe once, and I said "no." People messing with PG get a WAY longer leash from me than anyone else, because I AM her brother and I assumed people would think, well, exactly what they think anyway.

The few times I actually banned someone that was in the middle of going after PG (other mods have WAY shorter fuses than I do) the reaction I get from the other mods is "you let that go on WAY too long, and didn't ban them half long enough."

Then the past week or so happened. Some people got major bugs up their asses and we decided several of them aren't welcome here anymore. And you know what has happened? All the "awesome old posters" that had been run off by the jackasses came back today. (Except for mosoon. And his frilly boa. That's ok, I hate that guy anyway. And THAT was a joke. See how that works?) Board traffic is up. Number of people online is WAY up. Number of new threads started is WAY up. Moderated / deleted posts are WAY down. That's why I say Operation Spring Cleaning is a big win for the board here.

So, since none of the previous approaches has worked, I'm trying something else now. You want to know why something got moderated/deleted/banned? Ask me directly. I'll answer you. It might take a while, since I DO have a job now. But I'll try to answer. And I'm going to go back to posting goofy random **** like I used to.

[SicEmBaylor]

So, then, to summaraize..."The act of moderating a message board is inherently arbitrary."

Does that sum it up?

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

So, a while back the admins looked around and realized that hey, they're all busy guys, Beano and Norm have busy jobs, David Earl was in and out of the country, LubTex dropped off the face of the earth, Dean doesn't have the internet at home, jkm didn't have time to keep running the vBookie stuff, etc. So they decided to add a couple of extra mods.

are you trying to say that consulting isn't a job?

[GottaHavePride]

are you trying to say that consulting isn't a job?

Heh.

[GottaHavePride]

So, then, to summaraize..."The act of moderating a message board is inherently arbitrary."

Does that sum it up?

There's no way it can be anything BUT arbitrary. Thinking otherwise is deluding yourself. I didn't ask to be a mod. I assume there was a reason they asked me to be one, and they ("they" being Phil) trust my judgment. If Phil thinks I'm doing a ****ty job, he can take the mod status away and honestly, I wouldn't miss it. Y'all are a bunch of pains in the ***. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

[SicEmBaylor]

There's no way it can be anything BUT arbitrary. Thinking otherwise is deluding yourself. I didn't ask to be a mod.

Can I be a mod for you? :D

[dolemitesooner]

Then nothing would ever happen. I would railroad you

[SicEmBaylor]

Then nothing would ever happen. I would railroad you
Yeah, I'm not horribly interested in whatever gay thing you think you're going to do to me.

[sanantoniosooner]

I'm not saying people wont abuse the opportunity to know what is going on, but just having some avenue for any explanation goes a long way with me.

You shouldn't have to explain when a rule was broken, but in the times when it appears to be a random moderation it would be nice.

Accidents happen. I would be nice if people just owned them.

[Jerk]

I've gotten away with a lot of stuff here.

You've got no complaints from me.

[dolemitesooner]

Yeah, I'm not horribly interested in whatever gay thing you think you're going to do to me.
I don't know why this went down that road,but umm ok Do you want to be interested in some type of gay railroading?

[mdklatt]

Number of new threads started is WAY up.

That's just all the bumped threads today.

[Vaevictis]

Rule #1: Running anything on the internet is a thankless, ****ty job.
Rule #2: Running anything on the internet is a thankless, ****ty job.
Rule #3: Running anything on the internet is a thankless, ****ty job.

etc, etc.

[Frozen Sooner]

So, then, to summaraize..."The act of moderating a message board is inherently arbitrary."

Does that sum it up?

I really hope that's not all that you took from that. But if it pleases you to think so, sure.

You know, I've specifically refrained from deleting several posts that were out-and-out attacks on me. I've specifically refrained from asking for certain posters to be banned specifically because they ****ed ME off.

You ever wonder if we get sick of people constantly questioning our integrity? That's not a comment directed at your comment here, by the way, but last night I received SEVERAL PMs from a poster who was complaining about people making personal attacks on him and accusing me of being inconsistent in how he was treated while I was in the middle of deleting the offending remarks and admonishing the poster who made them to stop.

Another poster spent the entire evening following me around calling me a hypocrite. This despite the fact that I've treated his posts with kid gloves precisely because he seems to have a hard-on for me-so I figure I'll let people who he's not trying to annoy deal with it.

So yeah, sometimes what we do appears arbitrary, and sometimes I guess it is a little arbitrary if by arbitrary you mean "we use our own judgement vs. having a notebook full of rules." That's not actually what arbitrary means, of course, but whatever.

[SoonerBorn68]

What jkm did to Mongo today was bush league at best. I would hope everybody who saw that thread (before it disappeared) would take into consideration the unprofessional manner in which he acted. He's suppose to be an administrator on this board. I've never known any other admin on this board to act so childish. It's good to know what you think should be private around here isn't.

As far as the job you do GHP, Hazzah! You are by far the best in day to day moderation of the board. You fit here the best. I like the fact you get my Monty Python references. Most folks don't.

[SoonerBorn68]

Oh, and Froze, you ain't too bad either. :)

[Vaevictis]

Worst part is that you have to be pretty fugging stupid to not know when you cross the line.

IIRC, I've only had one, maybe two posts deleted, and both times, I knew I was crossing it.

And anyone who thinks this place is bad needs to spend a few hours on IRC. This ain't nothin.

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah, I wasn't feeling the love there. :D

And folks, just because I vent now and then, I still loves ya!

[dolemitesooner]

What jkm did to Mongo today was bush league at best. I would hope everybody who saw that thread (before it disappeared) would take into consideration the unprofessional manner in which he acted. He's suppose to be an administrator on this board. I've never known any other admin on this board to act so childish. It's good to know what you think should be private around here isn't.

As far as the job you do GHP, Hazzah! You are by far the best in day to day moderation of the board. You fit here the best. I like the fact you get my Monty Python references. Most folks don't.
have I met you

[sanantoniosooner]

Worst part is that you have to be pretty fugging stupid to not know when you cross the line.

IIRC, I've only had one, maybe two posts deleted, and both times, I knew I was crossing it.

And anyone who thinks this place is bad needs to spend a few hours on IRC. This ain't nothin.
I love it when people act like this is always the case.

I've been told in another thread that one of mine was deleted because it was misread. That's all well and good, but people need to quit acting like accidents or poor judgment don't exist.

[SoonerBorn68]

Yes, you have. :D

[dolemitesooner]

Worst part is that you have to be pretty fugging stupid to not know when you cross the line.

IIRC, I've only had one, maybe two posts deleted, and both times, I knew I was crossing it.

And anyone who thinks this place is bad needs to spend a few hours on IRC. This ain't nothin.
Yep ....When people get banned they should know why,and stfu and try not to do it again

[mdklatt]

I'm not questioning anything, just curious. Is this all about the four people who got permabanned a couple of weeks ago? Because I really can't see how they were terrorizing the board and running people off. I miss all the good stuff. :confused:


And WTF is "Frozen Sooner"?? ;)

[dolemitesooner]

Yes, you have. :D
MYSTERY SLOVED

[Vaevictis]

I love it when people act like this is always the case.

I've been told in another thread that one of mine was deleted because it was misread. That's all well and good, but people need to quit acting like accidents or poor judgment don't exist.

Fair enough. It ain't always the case, but exceptions don't happen with the frequency implied by all the bitching and moaning going on around here.

[GottaHavePride]

I love it when people act like this is always the case.

I've been told in another thread that one of mine was deleted because it was misread. That's all well and good, but people need to quit acting like accidents or poor judgment don't exist.

Sure poor judgment exists.

Like that one big game we lost, and so I decided I was a little ****ed and would make everyone happy by vacating the vBookie bet since everyone got pantsed, and people went monkey-poo. Totally flipped out because they didn't bet on OU and thought everyone else should have lost all their fake money.

Yeah, that sucked.

[sooneron]

Does this mean that hair shorts is coming back?

Is rus gone?

Who is sOOneron?

Who came back besides 04 and I guess, TD?

[sanantoniosooner]

Fair enough. It ain't always the case, but exceptions don't happen with the frequency implied by all the bitching and moaning going on around here.
when exceptions happen more than just a few times to the same person, it leads to a lot of speculation if there is no communication to explain what happened.

[sooneron]

Oh yeah, will I take the blame for all of the nostalgia of the past 24+ hours?

[Vaevictis]

when exceptions happen more than just a few times to the same person, it leads to a lot of speculation if there is no communication to explain what happened.

When exceptions happen more than just a few times to the same person, the first thing I ask is, "What's the common thread here?" ;)

[sanantoniosooner]

When exceptions happen more than just a few times to the same person, the first thing I ask is, "What's the common thread here?" ;)
hence the conspiracy theory

connecting dots isn't as hard as it looks, is it?

[Mixer!]

Was my "For Sale: Pink Upholstered..." thread deleted because of the subject matter, or because somebody posted an inappropriate word/image in response?








or can I still just blame :dolemite: for being a NON-SEARCH-FEATURE-USING poopyhead who owes me because he got mine deleted after he started his duplicate? ;)

[Vaevictis]

hence the conspiracy theory

connecting dots isn't as hard as it looks, is it?

Well, some people would look at the moderators first. Me, I look at the poster.

[dolemitesooner]

LOL

[Sooner_Bob]

http://thomaswhite.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/vines.jpg


You people!!

Calm down . . . now.

[GottaHavePride]

I'm not questioning anything, just curious. Is this all about the four people who got permabanned a couple of weeks ago? Because I really can't see how they were terrorizing the board and running people off. I miss all the good stuff. :confused:


And WTF is "Frozen Sooner"?? ;)

This isn't just about those four. Those four got banned for what was going on that night specifically. Nothing else. The length of the ban was determined by a LOT of factors and a LOT of discussion, and yes, Phil has weighed in on all that.

Most of what "this" is about is the atmosphere around the boards recently. It had changed from a fun little place where we could all come to be goofy, have a nice laugh, and blow off some steam, into a place where every thread was nonstop highly polarized political discussion, insults, sniping and potshots at other posters, and NOT FUN.

So a while back we (meaning mods) decided to try to change this place by example, and go back to posting like we had back when this place was fun. And it was working. And then some people decided to pop off one night and get themselves removed from the situation. Ironically, that made what we were trying to do a LOT easier. So, hooray, and stuff.

[sanantoniosooner]

Well, some people would look at the moderators first. Me, I look at the poster.
I'd like to you enlighten me to your perspective some time.

And what came first? Chicken or egg?

Did you, or whomever, start disliking me before or after I started complaining about unfairness?

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

This thread was started with really good intentions.

Good on ya, GHP.

[sooneron]

[sheepishly] nm [sheepishly]

[GottaHavePride]

Does this mean that hair shorts is coming back?

Is rus gone?

Who is sOOneron?

Who came back besides 04 and I guess, TD?

Rus is just cooling off for a week or so. Who is "hair shorts"? jk? His was temporary.

See, with Rus, he can be annoying at times. OK, a lot of times. (No offense, Rus.) But I really don't think he means any harm by it - he just occasionally gets too worked up about stuff and posts things he shouldn't. And he gets very persistent when he's in that mode, which - I mean, really - probably makes him a pretty good lawyer. It does make him hard to slow down without giving him some time off, though. ;)

[Vaevictis]

I'd like to you enlighten me to your perspective some time.

Eh, it just comes from having been on the "moderator" side of things on the internet for a long time. I've had "moderator" type access on IRC networks, muds, boards, etc.

IMO, posters should be aware of what they're saying, and should take care to convey the meaning they intend to. This is the internet, and if something can be taken wrong, it will be. As such, it behooves the poster to take care in what they say.

If it happens over and over with the same poster, that implies to me that it's probably at least partly the poster's fault.

[sanantoniosooner]

fair enough.

I don't even disagree.

[proud gonzo]

I'd like to you enlighten me to your perspective some time.

And what came first? Chicken or egg?

Did you, or whomever, start disliking me before or after I started complaining about unfairness?i'm pretty sure i'm going to regret this, but i'm curious--why is it that you so quickly jump to thinking people don't like you? I mean, do you WANT people to not like you, so that's the assumption you jump to? I don't get it. earlier you said that I think people are wrong whenever they disagree with me, but it appears whenever someone disagrees with YOU, it must be a personal attack because they don't like you. I don't get it.

not trying to stir the pot, but i figured since you were already steaming over there it can't do much harm.

[sooneron]

:pop:

[GottaHavePride]

:les: SEE WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH???

;)

[Vaevictis]

:les: SEE WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH???

;)

God you're a whiny little... :D

[Mjcpr]

So a while back we (meaning mods) decided to try to change this place by example, and go back to posting like we had back when this place was fun. And it was working. And then some people decided to pop off one night and get themselves removed from the situation. Ironically, that made what we were trying to do a LOT easier. So, hooray, and stuff.

From my perspective, I noticed Jed doing this and nobody else. That's not to say nobody else tried, I'm just saying I noticed it from Jed.

Mike Rich an Dean, they never stopped posting like they always have as far as I could tell.

Count me as not a fan of today's nonsense though, not that it matters.

[BigRedJed]

What GHP said.

AND

What Froze said.

I don't think I could have said it any better myself. Anyone who wants to question the integrity of those two guys, or any other mod or admin on this board, can frankly suck it. I know these people, some of them pretty damn well, and when it comes to their actions on this board, they DEFINE integrity. The conversations we have when trying to decide as a team what to do about specific situations tells me all I need to know. I can't tell you how many times we grit our teeth or hold our noses and give someone another chance. Often people who have made a career out of hating us. Probably our biggest shortcoming as a group is giving people too many chances.

This board has been a hateful, crappy place to be for a while, while some posters have chased other, longtime, quality posters into corners, off the board, or wherever. Those of you who didn't notice it frankly haven't been here long enough to know what I'm talking about , or weren't looking in the right places, or might even not have been bright enough to see what was happening. The confusion exhibited today by some confirmed this to me in spades.

What's ironic is that much of the anger and venom directed at us was more a result of us NOT modding than actually modding. Most of us have been pretty inactive as moderators, or even posters for a long, long time. I personally haven't modded much at all in the past six months, until just a few weeks ago, when we decided to do our best to fix things, either by simply posting and having fun, or making changes in who is allowed here, if necessary.

This board descended into a really nasty place during the time we stayed away. What you have seen over the past couple of weeks is this board shaking that off.

I'll tell you this: if normal to you is the way this board was at any time over the past two years or so, I would recommend opening your mind to the new "normal" that is going to take its place. We are not going back to that time or place.

[sanantoniosooner]

i'm pretty sure i'm going to regret this, but i'm curious--why is it that you so quickly jump to thinking people don't like you? I mean, do you WANT people to not like you, so that's the assumption you jump to? I don't get it. earlier you said that I think people are wrong whenever they disagree with me, but it appears whenever someone disagrees with YOU, it must be a personal attack because they don't like you. I don't get it.

not trying to stir the pot, but i figured since you were already steaming over there it can't do much harm.
What makes you think I'm steaming?

This thread is the best thing I've heard in forever around here. All I've done is try to explain a differing view to someone who expressed what I thought was a narrow view of something.

And it's not a matter on liking or not liking me. It's more of a matter of feeling that I have a reputation that's unfair because most people don't know all the facts. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I'm not even arrogant enough to think I'm always right about everything. All I've wanted is someone that appeared to be an advocate for people who don't understand why something has happened. GHP appears to be stepping into that role, if I understand correctly. It's a very positive thing IMO. I only hope some don't abuse it in a way that makes it unavailable to those that would use it in a respectful manner.

[Mjcpr]

I take it all back, Jed's an ***.

:D

[BigRedJed]

And I was typing that when you posted your post, Mjcpr, so I didn't have the benefit of reading it. I appreciate what you had to say, but truly, a number of us were trying to get back to our old posting ways.

[BigRedJed]

I take it all back, Jed's an ***.

:D
Heh. :D

[GottaHavePride]

I'm willing to give it another shot. So seriously people. If you don't understand, ask.


I was tempted to end with "you best check yo'self befoe you wreck yo'self!" But I didn't. See? That's restraint. :D

[proud gonzo]

What makes you think I'm steaming?

This thread is the best thing I've heard in forever around here. All I've done is try to explain a differing view to someone who expressed what I thought was a narrow view of something.

And it's not a matter on liking or not liking me. It's more of a matter of feeling that I have a reputation that's unfair because most people don't know all the facts. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I'm not even arrogant enough to think I'm always right about everything. All I've wanted is someone that appeared to be an advocate for people who don't understand why something has happened. GHP appears to be stepping into that role, if I understand correctly. It's a very positive thing IMO. I only hope some don't abuse it in a way that makes it unavailable to those that would use it in a respectful manner.by "steaming" I mean you've been bringing up the same issue repeatedly for several weeks every chance you get.

I'm glad you say it isn't a matter of liking or not liking you--I agree. However, I was observing how freely you use those terms to identify the situation and the way you feel ganged-upon.

[BigRedJed]

As for today's nonesense, I don't think you're going to see that on an ongoing basis, to that extent anyway. Some of the old-school posters who lost their enthusiasm for the board thanks to years of attacks on them came back and posted some, at our request.

I hope they all stay, and try to give it another shot. But I doubt it will ever be like 2001, either. You probably won't see another day like today, ever. Those of you who loved it, you're welcome. Those of you who hated it, well, it was just one day. Thanks for your patience.

We just all need to buckle down and try to make 2008 the best it can be. If you feel like you just can't forgive the board for something, well, I'm sure there are other places to post. But anybody who wants to stick around and see what new kinds of fun we can have, I hope you do.

[SoonerBorn68]

Jed, I'll admit in some of my frustration on some board events I've whined, complained, sniped, and jabbed. Either you weren't here to see it or you're ignoring it, but one of the admins does not deserve your praise. I would hope all of you would be discussing that matter as a team.

[SoonerBorn68]

I'll just shut up now & go back to lurking. I seem to get into less trouble that way.

[Mjcpr]

I'd like to buy the world a Coke.....

[mdklatt]

I'll tell you this: if normal to you is the way this board was at any time over the past two years or so, I would recommend opening your mind to the new "normal" that is going to take its place. We are not going back to that time or place.

So how are you going to enforce that? Ban political threads? That seems to be where all the trouble and hurt feelings start, but every now and then there's some good discussion.

[sooneron]

So how are you going to enforce that? Ban political threads? That seems to be where all the trouble and hurt feelings start, but every now and then there's some good discussion.
Thats what I was wondering.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

It's good to know what you think should be private around here isn't.

its almost the end of leap day so i'll ride back into my private environs with the others on this board. i'll leave you with this, you escalated it and there isn't a mod on this thread that didn't say for me to show you the money.

[sanantoniosooner]

by "steaming" I mean you've been bringing up the same issue repeatedly for several weeks every chance you get.

I'm glad you say it isn't a matter of liking or not liking you--I agree. However, I was observing how freely you use those terms to identify the situation and the way you feel ganged-upon.
there are times when words are used more loosely than others.

and there are posters that make big issues of it. I really believe that a lot of this would be solved faster if people attempted to understand the breadth of a perspective and not just dissect little details that have a less important impact on the situation.

[Mixer!]

cue Sooner Bob...(post #59)

[Sooner_Bob]

innerweb

the

just

is

it

[sooner_born_1960]

I, for one, would like to apologize to Jed, Mike, and Dean for the mocking way I have been posting the past two weeks, 3 days and about eleven hours.

[proud gonzo]

there are times when words are used more loosely than others.

and there are posters that make big issues of it. I really believe that a lot of this would be solved faster if people attempted to understand the breadth of a perspective and not just dissect little details that have a less important impact on the situation.see, this is where we disagree a little. Maybe just because i'm a writer, but i think it's important how you say things. That using words loosely thing causes problems. It's not just on the reader to give the benefit of the doubt, but also for the poster to make things as clear as possible. So it's not always "so-and-so needs to get a sense of humor" but possibly "so-and-so needs to phrase his/her posts more clearly so they aren't misinterpreted"

[SoonerBorn68]

its almost the end of leap day so i'll ride back into my private environs with the others on this board. i'll leave you with this, you escalated it and there isn't a mod on this thread that didn't say for me to show you the money.

You offered I accepted.

[BigRedJed]

GHP's advice about PEEMING is good, too. Most of you who have conversed with me, even the ones who thought that I was going to hate on you, can probably attest to the fact that I often go OVERBOARD even, to explain, or try to get you to understand where I/we are coming from. I think most of the mods/admins feel this way, and will keep the lines of communication open as long as we feel there is an opportunity for open discourse.

But I personally am really tired of threads on the open forum beating the dead horse of "I hate the mods," or "the mods are unfair," or whatever. NOT productive, and the fact that they're typically allowed to fester and be posted in are probably COUNTERproductive. I even think we should consider killing them when they come up.

I think we often allow them to go on because we suppose it will prove that we care what everyone thinks, or at least that we don't arbitrarily just squelch dissention, or whatever. But I'm tired of it, personally. I probably won't be responding to public threads of this type much in the future.

[GottaHavePride]

So how are you going to enforce that? Ban political threads? That seems to be where all the trouble and hurt feelings start, but every now and then there's some good discussion.

I don't think we want to totally ban political threads. But I imagine we'll have to keep a closer eye on them and try to put the brakes on when it starts degenerating into namecalling and general idiocy.

Again, I think we got so fed up with it at one point that none of the mods were even willing to read the political threads, so they turned into their own little Thunderdome. That's probably a bad move on our part.

[BigRedJed]

So how are you going to enforce that? Ban political threads? That seems to be where all the trouble and hurt feelings start, but every now and then there's some good discussion.
Hellz no. The day we ban political threads is prolly the day Froze and I walk. I enjoy them. But people can certainly post in them without the namecalling or the hate that we've seen in the past. Frankly, I think the political threads over the past week or two have been INCREDIBLY civil. Go back and look. And there have been a bunch of them, contrary to what some people have said. LOTS. Good discussion. JK started one the other day regarding the middle east that I loved. Thought it was a good example of what we can have on this board.

[sooneron]

Jed always was a bastard. Oops, that was in reference to TWO posts ago.

[SoonerBorn68]

Jed, I've said my piece on the events of today. I got no satisfaction or even an acknowledgement of their existence. I won't bring it up again.

[sanantoniosooner]

see, this is where we disagree a little. Maybe just because i'm a writer, but i think it's important how you say things. That using words loosely thing causes problems. It's not just on the reader to give the benefit of the doubt, but also for the poster to make things as clear as possible. So it's not always "so-and-so needs to get a sense of humor" but possibly "so-and-so needs to phrase his/her posts more clearly so they aren't misinterpreted"
That would be just dandy.

You might consider that it's likely to encounter people that don't always post that way and merely searching their post for something to dissect doesn't lead to much positive discussion either. Sometimes the intent is plenty obvious in spite of being ignored to discuss a tangent.

[BigRedJed]

...Again, I think we got so fed up with it at one point that none of the mods were even willing to read the political threads, so they turned into their own little Thunderdome. That's probably a bad move on our part.
Eggsactly. I think lots of people confused NO moderation and OCCASIONAL moderation for BAD moderation and INCONSISTENT moderation. There's a difference. We weren't doing our jobs as vigilantly as we should have, maybe, and it gave some people license, in their minds, to get really, really ignorant.

But I'll guarantee you this: you'll never see a political thread muzzled just because one or more of us don't agree with the politics. There has to be some abuse going on, either attacks, namecalling or something really severe for us to lock/delete a political thread.

I still reserve the right to merge multiple (serious) threads all on the same subject. It's a really common practice just to keep the board tidy and as many subjects as possible available on the first page, and has nothing to do with politics or anything else, per se.

[Mjcpr]

When will the old booty be back?

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

So how are you going to enforce that? Ban political threads? That seems to be where all the trouble and hurt feelings start, but every now and then there's some good discussion.

Like they said - no way. It's not the political/religious threads that cause the problems - it's people getting too emotional and fired-up in them because they're passionate about what they're saying.

You know, we've been working on a revised set of rules. A more comprehensive one that makes how things should work a lot more clear.

In the process of doing this we joked that there only really needs to be only one rule: Don't Be A D***.

But we can't do that because what one person thinks is d***ish another one thinks is okay. But I'm not sure that's true.

You know when you're being a d***. You know it when you're posting it. You know it after you've posted it. You know when you're taking a shot at someone. You know when you're saying something ugly and hurtful. You just do. And so does everyone reading.

We all get ornery. I know I do. But like others are saying, you know when you're crossing lines. Mods/admins, etc. shouldn't have to police that kind of thing. A few weeks ago, there were 10 threads on the front page of the SO that were moderated. TEN. And they were stupid, snippy little uglies that should have never happened.

It doesn't matter what the subject being discussed is. Just don't be a d***. There are people on this board that have been here for a jillion years that have never really been in trouble. They manage to keep things in perspective and treat people decently. Anyone can do it.

http://www.creativelicensingcorporation.com/sitebuilder/images/The_Two_Guys-341x246.jpg

[Rhino]

And if you ask for an explanation or clarification via PM, take everything we say to heart. Whether it be us explaining what happened or how you can change things in the future, we aren't trying to deceive you. We may be blunt sometimes, but that's the only way we can get through to some people.

And don't talk with other mods or run back to your friends saying things like "I don't think he was telling the truth" or "I don't think he likes me" when we've taken time out of our day to satisfy your curiosities. That's makes us not want to help you very much.

That being said, I didn't sign up for the Eternal Deathsloth that is the South Oval, so I'll leave the moderation of this forum up to those poor, poor souls. That's just my two cents.

[proud gonzo]

That would be just dandy.

You might consider that it's likely to encounter people that don't always post that way and merely searching their post for something to dissect doesn't lead to much positive discussion either. Sometimes the intent is plenty obvious in spite of being ignored to discuss a tangent.That's very good advice. I hope you follow it as well.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Damn you, Pat.

[Vaevictis]

:les: QUIT BEING SUCH A BUNCH OF MODERNAZIS!@#

(Psst, perfect opportunity to invoke Godwin's Law and lock this bitch ;) )

[sanantoniosooner]

That's very good advice. I hope you follow it as well.
we can do it TOGETHER.

It will be swell.

[Mjcpr]

And don't talk with other mods or run back to your friends saying things like "I don't think he was telling the truth" or "I don't think he likes me" when we've taken time out of our day to satisfy your curiosities. That's makes us not want to help you very much.

Bless your heart for those treasured moments.

I don't know what kind of winky to use here. :confused:

[proud gonzo]

we can do it TOGETHER.

It will be swell.post reported. :eek:

[Sooner_Bob]

Keeping all of the political threads in a politics forum would make things easier IMO.


Heck I can think of a few folks who might actually help moderate that particular forum if need be.

[BigRedJed]

Jed, I've said my piece on the events of today. I got no satisfaction or even an acknowledgement of their existence. I won't bring it up again.
Do you mean the user note that was posted? I've been too busy posting other stuff to go off on that tangent.

JKM is right; we all supported his decision to post it, and encouraged him to do it. The existence of it was being challenged, like he had made it up. The comment was real. We knew about it a week ago. It was stumbled upon, while following up on reported spek comments which attacked a poster (a poster who has been HIGHLY critical of us, BTW, and who we were looking out for nevertheless).

It was in poor taste, IMO to send the spek comment to begin with, and I told the poster that when he PMd me.

He says that in his heart didn't mean anything by it, and that's fine. Not my fight anyway, other than to confirm that we all told JKM that it was the right thing to do.

But I also told him the poster that whether or not he actually meant it, people make mistakes and errors in judgement, and a simple "sorry, man, I didn't really mean to sound like a horse's *** there" was probably all it would take to put the matter in the rear view mirror.

I'm not sure where it went from there. I was having too much fun reading all of the old school stuff.

I will say this: there were a ton of mods and admins who were on record as saying they thought the dude (the poster) was an overall good guy who they had met in person, and that was definitely a factor in JKM not pushing the issue further.

[sooneron]

I heard jkm ran TopDawg off.

[BigRedJed]

I'm sorry; I didn't mean user note. I meant spek comment. Gah. Now THAT is going to be analyzed to death.

[Sooner_Bob]

I'm taking notes for my moderator grade sheet . . . you better get it right.

[BigRedJed]

:bsmf:

[SoonerBorn68]

Thanks for addressing my concern Jed. The comment was in poor taste and the way it was handle was likewise. It could have been handled through PM's or emails, not the Pearl Harbor Attack it turned out to be. I don't have a problem with the moderators' concern or judgement - only the way it was handled. I would hope events like this would be handled in a more private way in the future.

Sorry for fibbin' to you.

Now I'm done.

[mdklatt]

Like they said - no way. It's not the political/religious threads that cause the problems - it's people getting too emotional and fired-up in them because they're passionate about what they're saying.

Well yeah, that's what I was getting at.



In the process of doing this we joked that there only really needs to be only one rule: Don't Be A D***.


I think a better rule is Don't Take Things So ****ing Personally. We all get worked up from time to time, but it always makes me shake my head when I hear about people crying to the mods. There is absolutely stuff that goes over the line and shouldn't be tolerated, but come on folks. None of this is real. It's the innerweb. Even the regular tailgaters only personally know a small percentage of the people here, and they only know a small number of them very well.

Does it really matter that somebody who knows nothing about you said something mean to you? Well nanner nanner boo boo. What do they know? OMFG, somebody who doesn't know me thinks I'm a bad person!

For you all you know you're dealing with somebody who is nothing like the actual person at the keyboard, or is completely imaginary altogether. And for crying out loud, anybody who complains about spek of all things needs to grow a pair.

[GottaHavePride]

Heh. A lot of people missed out on the SoonerWill "people on the internets arent' always real" lesson.

[SoonerBorn68]

Gah, I used "handled" 3 times in one post. It's got to mean something.

[Sooner_Bob]

Holy smokes . . . I agree with klatt on something.

:D

[SicEmBaylor]

Keeping all of the political threads in a politics forum would make things easier IMO.


Heck I can think of a few folks who might actually help moderate that particular forum if need be.

Are people so impulsive and unable to control themselves that you have to create another forum just to help them control themselves?

If you don't like political threads then try this novel idea, DON'T CLICK ON THE DAMNED THREAD!

[BigRedJed]

Gah, I used "handled" 3 times in one post. It's got to mean something.
It's probably because in some weird way you could tell that I was handling myself when I was posting that.

[PhxSooner]

Heh. A lot of people missed out on the SoonerWill "people on the internets arent' always real" lesson.
Gah. I actually popped out of lurkdom to offer names for his "daughter".

Now I'll pop back in and post again in a few years.

[GottaHavePride]

Are people so impulsive and unable to control themselves that you have to create another forum just to help them control themselves?

If you don't like political threads then try this novel idea, DON'T CLICK ON THE DAMNED THREAD!

See? Now, just because some people don't like political threads you're all acting like they're taking away your livelihood. ;)

Try moderating a webforum sometime. You'll learn that people can turd up ANYTHING. Even a thread about fluffy bunnies, sunshine, and pancakes. Or fluffy pancakes, bunnies, and daffodils. Whatever.

[BigRedJed]

www.ratemypoo.com (http://www.ratemypoo.com)

[GottaHavePride]

See? Jed just turded up THIS thread. :mad:


;)

[SicEmBaylor]

See? Now, just because some people don't like political threads you're all acting like they're taking away your livelihood. ;)

Try moderating a webforum sometime. You'll learn that people can turd up ANYTHING. Even a thread about fluffy bunnies, sunshine, and pancakes. Or fluffy pancakes, bunnies, and daffodils. Whatever.

No doubt, but what are you doing to do..move every thread that mentions politics to a seperate political forum?

I can and do politicize everything. Even my choice of soft drink is politically evaluated. I only drink Pepsi products because Pepsi is traditionally Republican while Coke traditionally supports Democratic and liberal interests.

So, I definitely know what you're talking about. Anything can be politicized. Plus, if you make a separate folder then I'll have very little reason to post in the South Oval. :)

[BigRedJed]

Post complaining that www.ratemypoo.com (http://www.ratemypoo.com) should have had a "NSFW" tag in 3...2...1....

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Well yeah, that's what I was getting at.

I think a better rule is Don't Take Things So ****ing Personally. ...


This is good. You people keep doing this and you'll write the rules for us.

:bfc:

[Sooner_Bob]

Are people so impulsive and unable to control themselves that you have to create another forum just to help them control themselves?

If you don't like political threads then try this novel idea, DON'T CLICK ON THE DAMNED THREAD!


Um no. It would simply keep the political discussion in a single place and out of the south oval.

What's so hard to understand about that?

[BigRedJed]

:les: IT HAS "POO" IN THE NAME, PPL!!!

[SicEmBaylor]

Um no. It would simply keep the political discussion in a single place and out of the south oval.

What's so hard to understand about that?

The part that I don't understand is why it's needed. Why not just ignore the political threads?

[Curly Bill]

No doubt, but what are you doing to do..move every thread that mentions politics to a seperate political forum?

I can and do politicize everything. Even my choice of soft drink is politically evaluated. I only drink Pepsi products because Pepsi is traditionally Republican while Coke traditionally supports Democratic and liberal interests.

So, I definitely know what you're talking about. Anything can be politicized. Plus, if you make a separate folder then I'll have very little reason to post in the South Oval. :)

Count me as another NOT AT ALL in favor of creating a separate poltical forum.

[colleyvillesooner]

man, there are a whole lot of people here who need to go **** themselves.

[Sooner_Bob]

No doubt, but what are you doing to do..move every thread that mentions politics to a seperate political forum?

I can and do politicize everything. Even my choice of soft drink is politically evaluated. I only drink Pepsi products because Pepsi is traditionally Republican while Coke traditionally supports Democratic and liberal interests.

So, I definitely know what you're talking about. Anything can be politicized. Plus, if you make a separate folder then I'll have very little reason to post in the South Oval. :)


Then you are screwed. If you feel the need to politicize everything then there are other issues at work. Just a little extreme . . . no reason to get worked up about the idea of a political forum.

I don't recall seeing much political discussion today and it rawked from all angles.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

man, there are a whole lot of people here who need to go **** themselves.

Outstanding!

[BigRedJed]

Bob, I'm hearing you, and I know your motives are noble, but IMO removing politics completely from the SO would hurt it like taking farks from the general forums hurt ithe board (again IMO). I understand why it was done, but the board was never the same again. Also, confining politics to its own little corner would make the politics forum a mostly miserable place for the people who have passing interest in it, and check out the threads from time to time without being married to them.

[sooner_born_1960]

You people stop voting! Frankensooner will make a pole if an election is called for.

[GottaHavePride]

No doubt, but what are you doing to do..move every thread that mentions politics to a seperate political forum?

That would indeed be how it would have to happen. And it would be a ton of work for a month or two, until we trained everyone that politics goes in the political forum.

See, about seven years ago all the shenanigans that went on around here happened on the Football Forum. there were about four geeks that posted on the South Oval all by themselves, and called themselves the South Oval Uber Posters. (No, I'm NOT making this up. Ask BSG. ;) )

Then people complained that they couldn't actually find the football posts on the football forum, so the mods at the time cracked down and moved anything and everything that wasn't football related to the SO.

Same happened with Farking. After the Kasey Studdard thread the SO was nothing but requests of "Hey! Can someone fark this picture so Steve Spurried is saying 'Surprise! Buttsecks!'?" So the mods cracked down and moved it all to the Fark Forum.

[SoonerBorn68]

It's probably because in some weird way you could tell that I was handling myself when I was posting that.

...and I thought you wouldn't remember. :D

[GottaHavePride]

That said, count me also NOT in favor of a separate political forum. Hell, I'm not even in favor of Fark Central being separate from the SO. All the stupid giant pictures we were wearing earlier today happened in the middle of random hilarity in other threads, and I think they're funnier that way.

[Sooner_Bob]

So you guys would prefer to scour the SO for political banter that gets out of hand than in a single forum?

We're all big boys and girls I'd hope if you have any inkling about reading/replying to political threads that you'd have some thick skin and not get all worked up about things regardless of whether they were in the SO or a separate politics forum.

You people act like another forum would require you to register a new handle and remember a new password to post or something.




Crap . . . look at me dorking up leap day . . . sorry.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

:les: WTG, BOB!!!

[BigRedJed]

...Same happened with Farking. After the Kasey Studdard thread the SO was nothing but requests of "Hey! Can someone fark this picture so Steve Spurried is saying 'Surprise! Buttsecks!'?" So the mods cracked down and moved it all to the Fark Forum.
Which created a place on the board that is heavily viewed by many people who have nothing to do with us or this board, which is fine, and also a place where the overall farking talent far exceeds what we used to have here (although 12's badass Keith Richards/Eddie fark reminded me of just how much hidden talent we have here), but is prolly wasted on many of the posters here.

We had an amazing reputation for farking on this board, and still do to some extent, I guess, but in the past it was as much because of the context of the farking, IMO.

I'm sure there are great politics-only boards all over teh innerwebs, but we're not it. Part of the charm of the SO, IMO, is the fact that you never know what's gonna pop up next.

[Sooner_Bob]

some of us are slower than others



obviously this was in response to BSG's post

[GottaHavePride]

So you guys would prefer to scour the SO for political banter that gets out of hand than in a single forum?

In an ideal world we would be more active on that front, and if someone notices something getting out of hand without a mod around there's a handy little "report post" button that you can use to say "hey, I think turdface is getting a bit out of hand here..." to bring it to our attention.

In the past though, people have just chosen to pile on and turn things into giant vortices of suckitude.

[Sooner_Bob]

speaking of which, can we have a giant vortices of sucktitude forum where all the locked threads go to die?

[GottaHavePride]

Which created a place on the board that is heavily viewed by many people who have nothing to do with us or this board, which is fine, and also a place where the overall farking talent far exceeds what we used to have here (although 12's badass Keith Richards/Eddie fark reminded me of just how much hidden talent we have here), but is prolly wasted on many of the posters here.

YEah. We were more quick-and-dirty farkers, relying on speed and context for humor. Not so much arteests.

Except picasso, but his farks always turn up a month after the fact, chiseled in granite. ;)

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

speaking of which, can we have a giant vortices of sucktitude forum where all the locked threads go to die?

We can move them over to the Testing Area.

[GottaHavePride]

Or the Networking forum. No one uses that. :D

[proud gonzo]

i don't think anybody has a problem with there being political threads. I think it's when it get's cluttered with 7 threads on the same topic or when peole start letting the politics bleed into other threads... talking about puppies and bunnies and somebody goes all "dirty libz" with it.

[BigRedJed]

I LOVE getting reported posts that are actually people letting us know someone is breaking rules, before the thread breaks down and we have to go clean up a ****storm. The problem with the post reporting button is that more than half the time it is used to moan about someone who isn't even breaking rules, or my personal favorite, to report the (non-rules-breaking) actions of the mods.

Here's a question: when you disagree with an action taken by a mod, and report a post in that forum, who do you think gets the reported post? That's right. The very mod you are reporting. Gets you nowhere, except further under the skin of said mod.

[GottaHavePride]

Yeah, THAT one cracks me up. :D

[Sooner_Bob]

I LOVE getting reported posts that are actually people letting us know someone is breaking rules, before the thread breaks down and we have to go clean up a ****storm. The problem with the post reporting button is that more than half the time it is used to moan about someone who isn't even breaking rules, or my personal favorite, to report the (non-rules-breaking) actions of the mods.

Here's a question: when you disagree with an action taken by a mod, and report a post in that forum, who do you think gets the reported post? That's right. The very mod you are reporting. Gets you nowhere, except further under the skin of said mod.


http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/images/buttons/report.gif

[SoonerBorn68]

I don't think I've ever reported a post. If I have, it's been years ago. If I perceive a problem I just address it in the thread.

[Sooner_Bob]

So it's all your fault things get out of control.

Way to go.





















:D

[Vaevictis]

Here's a question: when you disagree with an action taken by a mod, and report a post in that forum, who do you think gets the reported post? That's right. The very mod you are reporting. Gets you nowhere, except further under the skin of said mod.

Yeah, but it's better than firing up the ol' botnet ;)

[BigRedJed]

I don't think I've ever reported a post. If I have, it's been years ago. If I perceive a problem I just address it in the thread.
Sometimes that works better than others. We sure don't mind a reported post when someone is obviously breaking rules, and sometimes it spares you the need to get personally involved.

[SoonerBorn68]

...sometimes it spares you the need to get personally involved.

It's what I do. :D

[SoonerBorn68]

So it's all your fault things get out of control.

Way to go.


Guilty.

[leavingthezoo]

so... what happens when you report a post? i mean... does a box pop up where you say why you're reporting the post?

[Sooner_Bob]

so... what happens when you report a post? i mean... does a box pop up where you say why you're reporting the post?

There's this animated gif of dripping blood that shows up on the mods screens. You know, their own special swayze bomb.

[BigRedJed]

Yep. A page with form fields for you to fill out, if I remember. Sends an e-mail to every mod assigned to that forum.

[Vaevictis]

so... what happens when you report a post? i mean... does a box pop up where you say why you're reporting the post?

Well, Commissioner Gordon fires up the Bat Signal and...

[leavingthezoo]

boy, are you guys getting ready to be busy!!

kidding. i just had no idea how it worked. i was skeered to try it because of a deadly mishap with a button previously. :D

[BigRedJed]

No, the bat signal is on other boards.

[Vaevictis]

Yep. A page with form fields for you to fill out, if I remember. Sends an e-mail to every mod assigned to that forum.

Wow that has so many evil possibilities, I don't even know where to start.

<Monty Burns>Excellent.</Monty Burns>

[BigRedJed]

You think you're the first person to discover the evil possibilities? ;)

[BigRedJed]

Everyone on this board thinks when they do/post something it's the first time that it has ever happened.

:eddie:

[Scott D]

I'm pretty sure that I just decided the evil intentions weren't worth the effort.

[Vaevictis]

You think you're the first person to discover the evil possibilities? ;)

No, absolutely not. Sadly, I'm not an unbelievably anti-social, unbelievably bored 15 year old anymore. School + Work keep me too busy. It doesn't help that I'm now prosecutable as an adult. :(

[BigRedJed]

heh.

[SicEmBaylor]

Everyone on this board thinks when they do/post something it's the first time that it has ever happened.

:eddie:

So someone besides me posted that they were chosen to be the man-of-honor at their ex g/f's wedding, owned a beetle and a miata, got punched by a biker, turned away two skanky chicks at his apartment door, and stood up another hot chick just to see Neal Boortz but drove 3 hours in teh wrong direction first?

I gotta meet that guy.

[BigRedJed]

No, you're an original.

[BigRedJed]

Just like Will was. ;)

[Vaevictis]

Some of the things we did were great enough to warm my heart to this day.

Some buddies and I are directly responsible for the split of EFnet and IRCnet into separate networks. I still get warm fuzzies about that one.

[SicEmBaylor]

Just like Will was. ;)
I wish I'd been around at the same time as Will.

[Scott D]

Some of the things we did were great enough to warm my heart to this day.

Some buddies and I are directly responsible for the split of EFnet and IRCnet into separate networks. I still get warm fuzzies about that one.

that really deserves a **** off dip **** :D

[Mjcpr]

I wish I'd been around at the same time as Will.

He would love to have humped your rump.

[SoonerBorn68]

He would love to have humped your rump.

Give the govenor a hurump. :D

[Vaevictis]

that really deserves a **** off dip **** :D

It was awesome. Back in the day, Barron on irc.texas.net was pretty much the most powerful admin due to his ability to throw around political weight. He was also a big time, arrogant, full of himself prick.

We found a bug in the ircd code that let you register a nickname without ever actually signing on. Which meant you could nick collide without the ircd showing who was responsible or from whence it came.

We also found a few servers in Europe that would regularly desync from the rest of the network, allowing us to lag collide just about anyone we wanted.

So we set up a bot that sat on irc.texas.net, running a trace command (which would show you the nickname of any IRC Op on the server), and basically kept Barron off of his own server for about three weeks.

I don't think he ever figured out what the **** was going on, but he and his bloc forcibly disconnected almost all of Europe.

It was great. :D

[yermom]

ok, i'm late to the party on this one...

first off, i think one thing left out of the SAS thing was the cello thread. i think it might add some context to that story. (sorry to open old wounds there)

as for the rest of the "trouble makers" on Slick's board, i don't really get it. a lot of the offenders don't seem like they were the ones running anyone off. c_p and 1TC for example, they were generally jackasses, not d**ks. maybe i missed what set everything off there. although, the User Note thing wasn't taken very well, but that seems to be a time when some public statement should have been made instead of banning. that's like beating a puppy with a newspaper six months after it **** on the floor. i'm not taking sides, i just don't see what caused that situation to get out of hand where it got to that point.

the last thing i'm going to say is that when you ban someone and then delete their posts, it's weird. what is the point of not leaving the posts, unless they are pr0n or something? it's hard to get an idea of what the lines are if you can't see when someone has crossed them.

[SicEmBaylor]

ok, i'm late to the party on this one...

first off, i think one thing left out of the SAS thing was the cello thread. i think it might add some context to that story. (sorry to open old wounds there)

as for the rest of the "trouble makers" on Slick's board, i don't really get it. a lot of the offenders don't seem like they were the ones running anyone off. c_p and 1TC for example, they were generally jackasses, not d**ks. maybe i missed what set everything off there. although, the User Note thing wasn't taken very well, but that seems to be a time when some public statement should have been made instead of banning. that's like beating a puppy with a newspaper six months after it **** on the floor. i'm not taking sides, i don't don't see what caused that situation to get out of hand where it got to that point.

the last thing i'm going to say is that when you ban someone and then delete their posts, it's weird. what is the point of not leaving the posts, unless they are pr0n or something? it's hard to get an idea of what the lines are if you can't see when someone has crossed them.

I don't have too many thoughts on this issue since I've never run afoul around here, but those have pretty much been my thoughts exactly on this matter.

I don't think I've read a post or thread that resulted in someone getting banned with the notable exception of Pat's camel toe -- which was pretty damned funny and anyone who doesn't think so can **** off. :D

[yermom]

crap.

[SicEmBaylor]

crap.
You agree with me more than you care to admit.

[Mjcpr]

I don't have too many thoughts on this issue since I've never run afoul around here, but those have pretty much been my thoughts exactly on this matter.

I don't think I've read a post or thread that resulted in someone getting banned with the notable exception of Pat's camel toe -- which was pretty damned funny and anyone who doesn't think so can **** off. :D

I still contend that was a drive-by bane. :D

[achiro]

Do you mean the user note that was posted? I've been too busy posting other stuff to go off on that tangent.

JKM is right; we all supported his decision to post it, and encouraged him to do it. The existence of it was being challenged, like he had made it up. The comment was real. We knew about it a week ago. It was stumbled upon, while following up on reported spek comments which attacked a poster (a poster who has been HIGHLY critical of us, BTW, and who we were looking out for nevertheless).

It was in poor taste, IMO to send the spek comment to begin with, and I told the poster that when he PMd me.

He says that in his heart didn't mean anything by it, and that's fine. Not my fight anyway, other than to confirm that we all told JKM that it was the right thing to do.

But I also told him the poster that whether or not he actually meant it, people make mistakes and errors in judgement, and a simple "sorry, man, I didn't really mean to sound like a horse's *** there" was probably all it would take to put the matter in the rear view mirror.

I'm not sure where it went from there. I was having too much fun reading all of the old school stuff.

I will say this: there were a ton of mods and admins who were on record as saying they thought the dude (the poster) was an overall good guy who they had met in person, and that was definitely a factor in JKM not pushing the issue further.
That whole thing was Bush League and to find out now that other mods supported the idea of posting the screen shot really shocks me. I am sure that most people think that the notes sent along with spek are meant to be private, at least private from the general public. That was a page full of comments of posters about other posters and comments etc. It just shouldn't have been posted for everyone to see, even for 3 minutes. That was long enough for people to make copies of it for their files and pass it around. Really, if some how I figured out how to get into a bunch of PM's and posted them out for people to see, would I last as a part of this forum? Really?

On kind of a separate note, The crap that got pulled today was stupid and really regardless of the intent, just strengthened the argument of many that there is a certain group that gets away with stuff around here that pretty much everyone else couldn't. It's that whole, "I have x amount of power around here, you don't nah nee nah nee boo boo. You don't like it, you can kiss it" attitude that people don't like. Today may have been all about that, it may have been all about trying to be funny, I don't know but it was more annoying than anything and pretty much sucked.

Also, I agree with Yermoms post as well. ;)

[Rogue]

I missed the nastiness, but remember now that I was picking on Froze recently in my tongue-in-cheek way. Glad he didn't overreact.

I was banned for a week or so one time...I deserved it.

[yermom]

Also, I agree with Yermoms post as well. ;)

well, crap.

ok, really though, what was so awful about today? did i miss it when someone ****ed in everyone's Post Toasties?

but, i like jackassery.

i guess i missed the whole Mongo thing or whatever though

[Frozen Sooner]

I missed the nastiness, but remember now that I was picking on Froze recently in my tongue-in-cheek way. Glad he didn't overreact.

I was banned for a week or so one time...I deserved it.

To tell the truth, I don't remember what you're talking about. ;)

It really does take some work to get under my skin.

[Frozen Sooner]

well, crap.

ok, really though, what was so awful about today? did i miss it when someone ****ed in everyone's Post Toasties?

but, i like jackassery.

i guess i missed the whole Mongo thing or whatever though

Nothing was awful about today.

The Mongo thing was jkm calling Mongo out about some extremely hateful remarks he made about someone. These were remarks that jkm read while reviewing spek comments-something he was doing to confirm that someone had actually posted a comment that had garnered a complaint.

Mongo denied that he said anything of the sort. jkm said that he could post a screenshot if Mongo wished. As I recall both Mongo and sb68 said to do so. He did, and it was subsequently removed. Mongo apologized to the person affected, the person accepted.

That is the extent of the Mongo issue.

That being said, looks like most of the people who post here were having fun. A couple of complainers complained, but that's what complainers do. If anyone thinks that having oversized pictures in our profiles was slowing the board down, I suggest they take a gander over at the Fark board and think about how much bandwidth THAT stuff takes up. What slows the board down is the size of the database, something jkm explained pretty well in the IT.

[Frozen Sooner]

That was long enough for people to make copies of it for their files and pass it around. Really, if some how I figured out how to get into a bunch of PM's and posted them out for people to see, would I last as a part of this forum? Really?

Oh, ****, it's time to move to Protect Code Alpha! Someone's spek comments have reached enemy hands!!!! Make copies of it for their "files?"

Yes, if you tried to hack the board software, you'd be banned. And if you don't see the difference between you doing that and the guy who keeps the board software running being able to look at stuff in the database and calling someone on something really ****ty they said, then I can't help you out.

[Mongo]

Nothing was awful about today.

1)The Mongo thing was jkm calling Mongo out about some extremely hateful remarks he made about someone. These were remarks that jkm read while reviewing spek comments-something he was doing to confirm that someone had actually posted a comment that had garnered a complaint.

2)Mongo denied that he said anything of the sort. jkm said that he could post a screenshot if Mongo wished. As I recall both Mongo and sb68 said to do so. He did, and it was subsequently removed. Mongo apologized to the person affected, the person accepted.
That is the extent of the Mongo issue.

That being said, looks like most of the people who post here were having fun. A couple of complainers complained, but that's what complainers do. If anyone thinks that having oversized pictures in our profiles was slowing the board down, I suggest they take a gander over at the Fark board and think about how much bandwidth THAT stuff takes up. What slows the board down is the size of the database, something jkm explained pretty well in the IT.

1)yes, there is the BS part of the whole thing. It should have been Boarder doing it, in private. I admit that it was a joke, a bad joke that should have never taken place. If Boarder would have asked me WTF I was talking about and what context, I amsure he would have better understood where I was coming from. Not saying he shouldnt be mad afterwards, but maybe it would have helped him see that I am not a totally classless prick who makes bad decisions all the time.

2) I denied it cause I honestly dont remember it, but as jkm posted the non screenshot of it, I accepted it. I didnt deny it so i could get away from it, just I had no clue to what he was talking about. I did not deny saying anything of the sort, just wanted them to tell me WTF was going on. Yes, I did ask where it was said, but I never told him to post a screen shot for proof. I only apologized for cracking a bad joke. Like I said, if someone asked me about it in private, I would have told them in what context I meant it, but that path was not chosen.


If you are gonna give a run down, trying to use a fact by fact basis account of what happend, get your ****ing facts right, or keep your **** garage shut.

[yermom]

Nothing was awful about today.

The Mongo thing was jkm calling Mongo out about some extremely hateful remarks he made about someone. These were remarks that jkm read while reviewing spek comments-something he was doing to confirm that someone had actually posted a comment that had garnered a complaint.

Mongo denied that he said anything of the sort. jkm said that he could post a screenshot if Mongo wished. As I recall both Mongo and sb68 said to do so. He did, and it was subsequently removed. Mongo apologized to the person affected, the person accepted.

That is the extent of the Mongo issue.

That being said, looks like most of the people who post here were having fun. A couple of complainers complained, but that's what complainers do. If anyone thinks that having oversized pictures in our profiles was slowing the board down, I suggest they take a gander over at the Fark board and think about how much bandwidth THAT stuff takes up. What slows the board down is the size of the database, something jkm explained pretty well in the IT.

the only thing i can think of is that maybe Mia has a crappy internet connection...

[proud gonzo]

i just have a question for all the people who think yeterday sucked. Was it the big "avatars"? Because otherwise, if you didn't like the threads, couldn't you just ignore them and not click? Isn't that what everyone's been saying we should do to the political threads? :confused:

[SoonerBorn68]

Nothing was awful about today.

The Mongo thing was jkm calling Mongo out about some extremely hateful remarks he made about someone. These were remarks that jkm read while reviewing spek comments-something he was doing to confirm that someone had actually posted a comment that had garnered a complaint.

Mongo denied that he said anything of the sort. jkm said that he could post a screenshot if Mongo wished. As I recall both Mongo and sb68 said to do so. He did, and it was subsequently removed. Mongo apologized to the person affected, the person accepted.

That is the extent of the Mongo issue.


Ya know Mike, maybe it's just me but I expect more out of the Admins. Maybe I was use to the jackassery of Beano or Norm's bad luck. Even David Earl's shoe dropped with a bit of humor & flair. jkm seems to be very unprofessional in the way he addresses issues and his ambush tactics. If you and the other mods agreed to let jkm do this then shame on you. It's just childish. I thought ya'll were better than that.

[Beef]

Most of what "this" is about is the atmosphere around the boards recently. It had changed from a fun little place where we could all come to be goofy, have a nice laugh, and blow off some steam, into a place where every thread was nonstop highly polarized political discussion, insults, sniping and potshots at other posters, and NOT FUN.
I know I'm not a long-time or quality poster that was driven away, but back in October, I had enough of posters making smarmy remarks at each other that I had had enough of this place. It sucks seeing posters that you like making little ****ty remarks about other posters you like. Constantly.

I hope yesterday really was necessary to move forward. It sucked, and I didn't look at much other than thread titles and hiding in the WAYLT thread. If part of the goal was to do so many inside jokes that it drives away all post-Studdard members, than you about accomplished your goal with me. I hope this "new" SO is about having fun and not just rehashing 7 year old jokes.

[achiro]

Nothing was awful about today.

The Mongo thing was jkm calling Mongo out about some extremely hateful remarks he made about someone. These were remarks that jkm read while reviewing spek comments-something he was doing to confirm that someone had actually posted a comment that had garnered a complaint.

Mongo denied that he said anything of the sort. jkm said that he could post a screenshot if Mongo wished. As I recall both Mongo and sb68 said to do so. He did, and it was subsequently removed. Mongo apologized to the person affected, the person accepted.

That is the extent of the Mongo issue.
and all of that should have been handled in private.

Oh, ****, it's time to move to Protect Code Alpha! Someone's spek comments have reached enemy hands!!!! Make copies of it for their "files?"

Yes, if you tried to hack the board software, you'd be banned. And if you don't see the difference between you doing that and the guy who keeps the board software running being able to look at stuff in the database and calling someone on something really ****ty they said, then I can't help you out.
Oooh, sarcasm..always productive. ;) Look, there wee some pretty "blasting" comments on there, stuff I'm sure the ones that wrote it had no intention of anyone seeing. I've already seen it used in a thread to fuel an argument but whatever. If you think its ok to go public with private stuff you go right ahead and see how well it goes over. The funny thing is that if it were really ok to post then why take it down after 3 minutes?


being said, looks like most of the people who post here were having fun. A couple of complainers complained, but that's what complainers do. If anyone thinks that having oversized pictures in our profiles was slowing the board down, I suggest they take a gander over at the Fark board and think about how much bandwidth THAT stuff takes up. What slows the board down is the size of the database, something jkm explained pretty well in the IT.
I hope you are not calling me a complainer because I think, at least hope, that my record around here would speak otherwise. But you know, if you guys want to call people complainers,
As far as the big avatars slowing things down, if you really think that was the issue then get your life preserver because you flat missed the boat. If you still don't understand then you guys are further removed from the "rest of us" than I thought.
All of that said, this place is going through some growing pains like many boards do, hopefully it comes out the other end without too much(more) bloodshed.

[Sooner_Bob]

Medic!!!

[sanantoniosooner]

God Bless yermom.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

wow..it took a long time to read all 9 pages..

[Frozen Sooner]

1)yes, there is the BS part of the whole thing. It should have been Boarder doing it, in private. I admit that it was a joke, a bad joke that should have never taken place. If Boarder would have asked me WTF I was talking about and what context, I amsure he would have better understood where I was coming from. Not saying he shouldnt be mad afterwards, but maybe it would have helped him see that I am not a totally classless prick who makes bad decisions all the time.

2) I denied it cause I honestly dont remember it, but as jkm posted the non screenshot of it, I accepted it. I didnt deny it so i could get away from it, just I had no clue to what he was talking about. I did not deny saying anything of the sort, just wanted them to tell me WTF was going on. Yes, I did ask where it was said, but I never told him to post a screen shot for proof. I only apologized for cracking a bad joke. Like I said, if someone asked me about it in private, I would have told them in what context I meant it, but that path was not chosen.


If you are gonna give a run down, trying to use a fact by fact basis account of what happend, get your ****ing facts right, or keep your **** garage shut.

Hey Mongo, go **** yourself. I wasn't trying to claim that you were trying to hide that you said something. You did, however, deny that you said it. I don't expect anyone to remember every damn thing they said.

I ALSO pointed out that you apologized to the person involved, which should have been the end of the ****ing matter.

Fine, you didn't tell jkm to post a screenshot. Not the way I remember it, but if you say so I don't have any reason to think you're a liar, and I don't have the inclination to look up the thread.

Anyhow, you have my apologies for misremembering and thinking you had told jkm to go ahead and post the screenshot to prove you had said something. Whatever you may think, that wasn't malicious. I was under the impression that this matter was settled now, as Boarder accepted your apology, which was what I was trying to convey.

[Frozen Sooner]

Ya know Mike, maybe it's just me but I expect more out of the Admins. Maybe I was use to the jackassery of Beano or Norm's bad luck. Even David Earl's shoe dropped with a bit of humor & flair. jkm seems to be very unprofessional in the way he addresses issues and his ambush tactics. If you and the other mods agreed to let jkm do this then shame on you. It's just childish. I thought ya'll were better than that.

Dude, you challenged him to post the screenshot-more than once! Then you implied he was a liar because he hadn't posted it yet! Nobody "let" jkm do a thing-the guy helps to keep the board software running, he has admin access to the database, it's not really something we'd have to "allow" him to do.

[LilSooner]

For the love of ZOD people!

I can't believe that some of you were actually bitching and moaning about what happened yesterday (ie. the old school posters who came back for one flipping day!). OH wait yes I can.

This board use to be awesome and so much fun. Now most of the time it just sucks seriously hard core. There are some people on this board that take some serious pride it taking a light hearted fun thread and sucking out of all of the fun.

I am personally glad that the MOD's are taking steps to get rid of these people because they have seriously gotten out of hand.

Oh and the whole lets run to another board to bitch and moan about this one and then lets all pick on one thread or poster mentality is seriously lame.

You people need to get a freaking life.

[Harry Beanbag]

I think another improvement would be mods and admins not telling people to go **** themselves, but that's just me.

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah, well, you can go **** yourself too. Someone tells me to shut my **** garage, that's the response they get.

[SoonerBorn68]

Well? You don't just say something like that without proof. The farther down the road we got the less likely any evidence would have been produced. Then it would have been a "take my word for it" & I wouldn't have.

No hard feelings with you or any of the others. I just feel that whole senerio was premeditated by one person & it wasn't boarder.

[Harry Beanbag]

Yeah, well, you can go **** yourself too. Someone tells me to shut my **** garage, that's the response they get.


I don't even know what **** garage means, but you guys are held to higher standard by other posters, or should be. I discussed this kind of thing with you in a PM the other day, it's disappointing that you think it's okay to act like that as a forum leader.

[SoonerBorn68]

For the love of ZOD people!

I can't believe that some of you were actually bitching and moaning about what happened yesterday (ie. the old school posters who came back for one flipping day!). OH wait yes I can.

This board use to be awesome and so much fun. Now most of the time it just sucks seriously hard core. There are some people on this board that take some serious pride it taking a light hearted fun thread and sucking out of all of the fun.

I am personally glad that the MOD's are taking steps to get rid of these people because they have seriously gotten out of hand.

Oh and the whole lets run to another board to bitch and moan about this one and then lets all pick on one thread or poster mentality is seriously lame.

You people need to get a freaking life.

If you don't like this thread don't click on it. It's really that simple. I'm personally glad the mods are taking the time to sort this out & not run and hide behind their moderator screens.

[Frozen Sooner]

I don't know that it was premeditated, but sure-it probably could have been handled privately to begin with. Not my job to call jkm down, though.

[SoonerBorn68]

Thanks for your time Mike.

I'll go crawl back in my hole...maybe.

[sanantoniosooner]

If you don't like this thread don't click on it. It's really that simple. I'm personally glad the mods are taking the time to sort this out & not run and hide behind their moderator screens.
Lil is just using her charm to help solve the problem

[Frozen Sooner]

I don't even know what **** garage means, but you guys are held to higher standard by other posters, or should be. I discussed this kind of thing with you in a PM the other day, it's disappointing that you think it's okay to act like that as a forum leader.

Give me a break. I'm particularly tired of the sanctimonious bull**** of "We can say anything we want to someone because they're a moderator and can't respond because they're held to a 'higher standard'".

[LilSooner]

Just to be clear I am not talking about the whole baning mess that happened yesterday. I don't give two ****s about what happened there.

What I am talking about is the general decline in this board and how everything becomes some ****ing contest between two different "cliques".

And how anyone could bitch about old posters that came back for one day to have a little light hearted fun on this board is exactly what is wrong with this board.

[Scott D]

oh there's a lot more than that wrong with this board now. :)

[sanantoniosooner]

And how anyone could bitch about old posters that came back for one day to have a little light hearted fun on this board is exactly what is wrong with this board.
you are just oblivious, aren't you?

[Harry Beanbag]

Give me a break. I'm particularly tired of the sanctimonious bull**** of "We can say anything we want to someone because they're a moderator and can't respond because they're held to a 'higher standard'".


That's not even what I'm talking about at all. Actually, the thought about saying anything to a mod and getting away with it never crossed my mind.

I'm just saying what others have said, the leaders (mods & admins) set the tone. Being a leader isn't easy I know, but in order to lead you have to get out in front and lead, not get dragged down in minutia.

[King Crimson]

i guess i'm kinda missing out. what happened? if anybody wants to give me the short version, i'd appreciate it. what are the two cliques? am i in one?

who's team am i on? i mean other than the Leninist one.

i was on the board in the AM and thought yesterday was kinda fun. i miss seeing a lot of the people from "ze old days".

[Rogue]

Yeah, well, you can go **** yourself too. Someone tells me to shut my **** garage, that's the response they get.

See, I appreciate this kind of honesty. It's not like these guys are getting paid to keep the peace around here.

Is there another place I could look to see what all the fuss is about?
Who got baned? Perma-baned or some "time off?"
I remember seeing all the linkys to the old threads, and those annoying as hell huge avatars, but must have missed some of the other general *******ry.

If not, oh well. I just want to know what's going on so I know what the hell is being talked about when this is re-hashed for the next several months.

[LilSooner]

you are just oblivious, aren't you?

No I'm not oblivious. If you want to believe your conspiracy theories be my guest. I'm sure there are other message boards that will feed into that for you.

The south oval is suppose to be fun, but alas it's not so much anymore.

And you crackers can jump all over me if you want because unlike you I'm not gonna hold some big *** chip on my shoulder for all eternity.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Ya know Mike, maybe it's just me but I expect more out of the Admins. Maybe I was use to the jackassery of Beano or Norm's bad luck. Even David Earl's shoe dropped with a bit of humor & flair. jkm seems to be very unprofessional in the way he addresses issues and his ambush tactics. If you and the other mods agreed to let jkm do this then shame on you. It's just childish. I thought ya'll were better than that.

Waitaminnit.

jkm would not have posted the screenshot had you, SB68, not DEMANDED to see it. You said:

'Post the screenshot'

'That's what I thought. I knew you wouldn't post a screenshot'.

Based on the demands that you were making and the denials that Mongo was making (which he says in retrospect were mistaken and I believe him), you were accusing them of making the whole thing up - in an open forum. So in that open forum there was only one way to yet again prove that there wasn't **** being made up about people. He wouldn't have posted it otherwise. And if he hadn't posted it, the topic on today's SO would have been 'jkm and Boarder are making stuff up about people'.

I wonder, did you get with Mongo before you started demanding that it be posted? Or were you just pounding your chest?

So after it was posted to shut down the debate as to whether or not it actually happened, he immediately took it down for the very reasons you now say it should have never been posted. Again, you were the one demanding that it be posted. Do you even remember that part?

That's the reason we backed him and said to go ahead and post it. Because of the demands to see it in an open forum. You know as well as I do what would be being said had he not posted it. If Mongo had been the only one asking to see it, it would have been sent to just him in a PM. But that's not how it happened. And you can thank yourself for that.

Speaking of double-standards...you said last night that 'hanging it all out there' is what you do instead of handling things via PM or in a more private manner like reporting posts. And that's fine. But we're not allowed to do the same? You can mock us and challenge our every move and question our motivations and openly call us liars and we're not supposed to respond? Are you ****ing kidding me? Since our responsibility on this board has become more complex lately and we're being scrutinized for every tiny little thing, actual 'normal' posting is almost impossible for us. How many times has me saying 'it's all about context' been repeated on this board in a mocking manner over the past two weeks? I was trying to explain something in the most open way I knew how to only see it used to mock me. And the rest of the mods around here for that matter.

As for yesterday's fun, some will recognize that every thread was a tribute to one made a long time ago. Silly things that we thought were so funny and awesome. The giant user titles were us making fun of ourselves for using horribly obnoxious sigs back in the day. They were just awful but back then we thought they were awesome so that's what that was about. The ones complaing about them and not understanding them just don't recognize that. And that's okay. But it was kind of a shoutout to those that do remember. It wasn't a power trip at all. And if you think that, you're way off. It was Leap Day so we went back in time. For fun. And that is EXACTLY what this board was based on lots and lots of years ago.

I keep hearing 'that was Bush League' (it's Busch, btw...a true hillbilly would know that ;) ) but I'll tell you what I think is Busch League. Some of the posting on this board that has taken place in recent years has just been sad and weak and sorry and ugly. And that's what we're trying to end. There are some really neat people on this board and I think we should all enjoy posting and reading and learning and debating. Without the hate. That's just what I think.

:kelvin:

[Frozen Sooner]

Well for one, a big chip won't fit on Lil's shoulder.

She's petite.

[sanantoniosooner]

perhaps clueless is a better word.

[soonerboomer93]

i must be the only one who laughs every time i see a mod tell someone to "go **** themselves"

i find it most humorous, sometimes, he mods say it out of fun, some times they say it out of complete seriousness.

[Frozen Sooner]

i must be the only one who laughs every time i see a mod tell someone to "go **** themselves"

i find it most humorous, sometimes, he mods say it out of fun, some times they say it out of complete seriousness.

Go **** yourself.

[King Crimson]

As for yesterday's fun, some will recognize that every thread was a tribute to one made a long time ago. Silly things that we thought were so funny and awesome. The giant user titles were us making fun of ourselves for using horribly obnoxious sigs back in the day. They were just awful but back then we thought they were awesome so that's what that was about. The ones complaing about them and not understanding them just don't recognize that. And that's okay. But it was kind of a shoutout to those that do remember. It wasn't a power trip at all. And if you think that, you're way off. It was Leap Day so we went back in time. For fun. And that is EXACTLY what this board was based on lots and lots of years ago.



fuggin a, right on right on

[soonerboomer93]

And you crackers can jump all over me if you want because unlike you I'm not gonna hold some big *** chip on my shoulder for all eternity.

that's because you're secret afraid the chip would be taller then you, isn't it?

[Rogue]

i must be the only one who laughs every time i see a mod tell someone to "go **** themselves"

i find it most humorous, sometimes, he mods say it out of fun, some times they say it out of complete seriousness.

That, and one of my favorites "**** off dip****!"

[soonerboomer93]

Go **** yourself.

**** off, dip****

[Frozen Sooner]

Righty-O!

[soonerboomer93]

dammit, why do people keep beating me to the good lines

****ing flood control

**** you with chucks old avatar

[bri]

It's nice to see that the cool sense of detente that seemed to have been achieved last night is blown all the hell and it's back to the same old, same old "double standard", "we hate mods", "some people can do whatever they want" crap.

Awesome.

[Rogue]

dammit, why do people keep beating me to the good lines

****ing flood control

**** you with chucks old avatar

I know it. What's worse is when some thunder-thief slow poster comes in right behind you...again! :D

[Harry Beanbag]

i must be the only one who laughs every time i see a mod tell someone to "go **** themselves"

i find it most humorous, sometimes, he mods say it out of fun, some times they say it out of complete seriousness.


Yesterday an admin used the phrase to ambush and ban a poster that didn't (IMO of course) do anything to deserve it. Is that okay? Is it okay for all of us to run around telling people to go **** themselves, afterall it could be out of fun right?

Maybe it's just me that expects more out of people in positions of responsibility. If it's just me then I guess I'll just drop it.

[sanantoniosooner]

I think that, given the way jk was handled yesterday, the phrase "go **** yourself" is a bit different now.

It's all fun and games until someone gets their panty in a wad and has to flex.

[soonerboomer93]

i think the mods have put up with more then enough **** trying to be constantly respectful. Maybe it's the industry I work in, but there's a time to stop being friendly and polite all the damn time because it stops being worth a **** and people can just straight up be *******s. the vast majority of the time, when a mod tells someone to **** off, it's was earned a long ****ing time ago.

[soonerboomer93]

I think that, given the way jk was handled yesterday, the phrase "go **** yourself" is a bit different now.

It's all fun and games until someone gets their panty in a wad and has to flex.

i don't know the whole situation, and I won't pretend to know it all. i will say there are 2 sides to every story and there might have been more going on then what was posted.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Dean can do whatever the hell he wants to. He always has and he always will. We all know that. Don't like it? Complain to Phil and I'm sure he'll tell you the same thing.

The thing is getting on Dean's bad side is hard. I mean, you really gotta work at it - you really gotta be a turd for him to not like you. Dean likes damn near everyone.

So there's that.

[sanantoniosooner]

93-that would be a great theory if we weren't all people that sometimes misinterpret and over react.

[Frozen Sooner]

Dean can do whatever the hell he wants to. He always has and he always will. We all know that. Don't like it? Complain to Phil and I'm sure he'll tell you the same thing.

The thing is getting on Dean's bad side is hard. I mean, you really gotta work at it - you really gotta be a turd for him to not like you. Dean likes damn near everyone.

So there's that.

Hell, Dean likes me and we disagree on damn near everything.

[sanantoniosooner]

Hell, Dean likes me and we disagree on damn near everything.
See, there you go casting doubt on Deans judgment again ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Exactly!

It's the bald. Bald calls to bald.

[Sooner24]

This thread is worthless without pics.

[soonerboomer93]

sometimes that the buttons were pushed and being pushed long before an "over-reaction"

[Frozen Sooner]

sometimes that the buttons were pushed and being pushed long before a "over-reaction"

http://www.littleshelter.com/images/bingo.jpg

[soonerboomer93]

Hell, Dean likes me and we disagree on damn near everything.

you blow snot in the shower, don't you?

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Dean likes JohnnyMack.

See what I'm saying?

:mack:

[Frozen Sooner]

you blow snot in the shower, don't you?

No. As I already explained, blowing snot in the shower interferes with taking a dump.

IT'S ALL PIPES!

[SoonerBorn68]

jkm would not have posted the screenshot had you, SB68, not DEMANDED to see it. You said:

'Post the screenshot'

'That's what I thought. I knew you wouldn't post a screenshot'.

Based on the demands that you were making and the denials that Mongo was making (which he says in retrospect were mistaken and I believe him), you were accusing them of making the whole thing up - in an open forum. So in that open forum there was only one way to yet again prove that there wasn't **** being made up about people. He wouldn't have posted it otherwise. And if he hadn't posted it, the topic on today's SO would have been 'jkm and Boarder are making stuff up about people'.

I wonder, did you get with Mongo before you started demanding that it be posted? Or were you just pounding your chest?

So after it was posted to shut down the debate as to whether or not it actually happened, he immediately took it down for the very reasons you now say it should have never been posted. Again, you were the one demanding that it be posted. Do you even remember that part?

That's the reason we backed him and said to go ahead and post it. Because of the demands to see it in an open forum. You know as well as I do what would be being said had he not posted it. If Mongo had been the only one asking to see it, it would have been sent to just him in a PM. But that's not how it happened. And you can thank yourself for that.

That's exactly right, he wouldn't have posted the screen shot. He said that he had evidence & when I asked to see it he brushed me off. If you're going to handle the situation that way, you're darn tootin' I want to see the evidence.

I didn't talk to Mongo prior to or during the length of that thread. I just happen to be there when it started & I was backing up a buddy. I hope you would do the same thing for your friends. Mongo & I are friends away from the board & I wasn't happy with the way he was being treated. As soon as I saw the evidence for myself, I backed off. It was definately an ugly thread & tempers flaired from both sides.

I never said that image shouldn't have been posted. I knew if Mongo had said something like that it would have been in a "private" place. It was. I learned a lot yesterday. Like I said, my gripe is not about you, GHP, Jed, Mike, GHP, Rhino, or Boarder. (if I left any other mod out it was unintentional) And, it was not my intention for this to go as far as it has. I had a gripe, I aired it & got input from many of the appropriate people.

[bri]

Look, Dean's been a mod on this board for what now? 6, 7 years? And in that entire time, he's never had to change his style or who he is just because he's a admin. So anyone hoping that Dean will "soften up" or "reconsider his style" is just sh*t out of luck.

So, now that we have the Dean Standard, what you people have to decide is this: Is Dean the exception, or the rule? Does every other mod and admin have to conform to someone else's idea of "professional internet moderator" and entirely forgo their own personalities, or do we let people be who they are and trust in the judgment of the man who provides you with the very forum we're using right now? Each and every mod and admin was either personally invited or approved by Phil, which means they have his faith and support. So the way I see it, constantly deriding the mods/admins or trying to tell them what to do is the same as doing it to Phil. And if that's the case, then perhaps Phil's board isn't the place for you...

[Sooner_Bob]

For whatever reason I think people were just way overwhelmed yesterday.

n00bs felt left out because they had no clue what was going on . . . add that to the few folks who've been shoe whipped recently and it went south from there.

I really wish some of the classic stuff that was posted on here was 100% archived so folks could read up on how things were several years ago. Maybe Norm needs to update his FAQs. :D


I tried to find all of my copies of the Rick Neuheisel fark thread but couldn't. That was one thread I was hoping would make a come back. ;)

[Sooner24]

Look, Dean's been a mod on this board for what now? 6, 7 years? And in that entire time, he's never had to change his style or who he is just because he's a admin. So anyone hoping that Dean will "soften up" or "reconsider his style" is just sh*t out of luck.

So, now that we have the Dean Standard, what you people have to decide is this: Is Dean the exception, or the rule? Does every other mod and admin have to conform to someone else's idea of "professional internet moderator" and entirely forgo their own personalities, or do we let people be who they are and trust in the judgment of the man who provides you with the very forum we're using right now? Each and every mod and admin was either personally invited or approved by Phil, which means they have his faith and support. So the way I see it, constantly deriding the mods/admins or trying to tell them what to do is the same as doing it to Phil. And if that's the case, then perhaps Phil's board isn't the place for you...


Who are you?

Did you steal Bri's password?

[bri]

For whatever reason I think people were just way overwhelmed yesterday.

n00bs felt left out because they had no clue what was going on . . . add that to the few folks who've been shoe whipped recently and it went south from there.

I really wish some of the classic stuff that was posted on here was 100% archived so folks could read up on how things were several years ago. Maybe Norm needs to update his FAQs. :D


I tried to find all of my copies of the Rick Neuheisel fark thread but couldn't. That was one thread I was hoping would make a come back. ;)

Well, we were working our way up to it, but we ran out of Leap Year Day. Maybe 2012, dude. :D

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

That's exactly right, he wouldn't have posted the screen shot. He said that he had evidence & when I asked to see it he brushed me off. If you're going to handle the situation that way, you're darn tootin' I want to see the evidence.

I didn't talk to Mongo prior to or during the length of that thread. I just happen to be there when it started & I was backing up a buddy. I hope you would do the same thing for your friends. Mongo & I are friends away from the board & I wasn't happy with the way he was being treated. As soon as I saw the evidence for myself, I backed off. It was definately an ugly thread & tempers flaired from both sides.

I never said that image shouldn't have been posted. I knew if Mongo had said something like that it would have been in a "private" place. It was. I learned a lot yesterday. Like I said, my gripe is not about you, GHP, Jed, Mike, GHP, Rhino, or Boarder. (if I left any other mod out it was unintentional) And, it was not my intention for this to go as far as it has. I had a gripe, I aired it & got input from many of the appropriate people.

You asked to see. He showed it to you.

Standing up for your friend is admirable. I just hope people realize that most of us mods are friends, too.

And I agree about teh ugly.


Look, ya'll...we can do this all day. We can rehash **** until the end of time. Or we can all do our part to make this place a neat place to live. It's up to us. I know which side I've chosen.

If there are things that have happened that have made you feel like you've been treated unfairly you can choose to keep harping on it and make sure everyone knows you've been wronged or you can move on.

If you are mad and bitter about things/people here and just don't like it here anymore you can choose to believe that we're doing our best to sweep all that away (some of which we're not even aware of) and just move on or you can choose to lurk here and watch for you opportunity to take a jab at someone or make a hateful comment/post.

If you think we are power-trippy people that get off on making people feel small and enjoy bedowngrading folks and breeding hate and bad feelings then you can choose to accept and believe that we have spent HOURS, maybe even DAYS, of our lives trying to do the very best we can to make everyone think this place is worth fixing and saving or you can choose to continue to criticize and look for things to call us out on.

That's what it really comes down to. Either you want to help here or you don't. It requires little effort and it's totally worth it. If you don't want to help then you're going to have a very hard time here. A lot of us have invested way too much time and energy to let a few people ruin it. You'll be dealing with a group of people that are pretty set on either making you see that we're sincere in our efforts or making you see that you simply do not belong here.

Now, I have lolcats to post.

[BajaOklahoma]

Each and every mod and admin was either personally invited or approved by Phil, which means they have his faith and support. So the way I see it, constantly deriding the mods/admins or trying to tell them what to do is the same as doing it to Phil.


While I understand your point, I don't think it is quite true. Phil can approve anyone he wants as a mod, but once approved the mods act on their own, based on their own personalities, morals and beliefs. Phil doesn't approve every action a mod takes. In fact, it seems like there was a point two years ago (but the timing may be off) when Phil seemed to become more involved and the tone of the board changed. No other poster is responsible for what I post. And I am not responsible for what my friends post, assuming I have some.

I only know a few people who post on here. Some people I have recognized at the games from pictures posted on here, but you have no idea what I look like or what type of person I am. You only know my posting persona - boring as it is. When I read the posts, I know that some of the posts refer to jokes that I am not privy to because I don't know you all personally. It's easier to understand what the point of a post if you actually know the poster. And posting doesn't convey the tone of voice or the facial expressions that a post was written in - and the smilies often don't help.

I have no one on my ignore list, but I may be on someone else's. There are posters on here that I don't particularly care for, but I usually just avoid them - just like I do with the people I don't care for in my work environment.

I belong to several boards in a variety of interests. Some I mainly read, some I post in daily, some I post on in a hit or miss fashion. It is the nature of boards to change over time as posters come and go. I just don't get the you-can-only-belong-to-one-board mentality that seems to be going on. This boards helps me keep up with what is going in Norman (where my daughter is) and the entire State (where I have family). You do a great job of that as my family is constantly amazed that I actually know a few things going on up there before they do.

[StoopTroup]

Being bitter isn't good for you either...

http://wso.williams.edu/~srura/gems/bitterbeer.jpg

[Scott D]

I give BSG's post the thumbs up for working 'bedowngrading' into it.

[sooner_born_1960]

I give BSG's post the thumbs up for working 'bedowngrading' into it.
I especially like how she waited to use it. That word would have worked a couple time previous to its use.

[King Crimson]

I give BSG's post the thumbs up for working 'bedowngrading' into it.

only a "fixin' to bedowngrading" would be better. :texan:

[bri]

While I understand your point, I don't think it is quite true. Phil can approve anyone he wants as a mod, but once approved the mods act on their own, based on their own personalities, morals and beliefs. Phil doesn't approve every action a mod takes. In fact, it seems like there was a point two years ago (but the timing may be off) when Phil seemed to become more involved and the tone of the board changed. No other poster is responsible for what I post. And I am not responsible for what my friends post, assuming I have some.

I'm not saying that Phil approves each and every post that a mod or admin makes. However, I am saying that he knows those people and their posting styles well in advance of approving them to serve. There's a reason that all the mods and admins have been the ones who have been here longest; Phil knows what to expect. And believe me, if Phil has a problem with what someone is doing, he will address it. Not always in public, but it is addressed. So 99.9% of the time, you can be fairly certain that Phil is okay with the actions and/or words of his moderators and admins, and if he isn't, he will do something about it.

My point is this; people are well within their rights to have issues with things. All I'm suggesting is that there's a good way to deal with them (address them with Phil) and a less good way to deal with them (constantly whine, attack mods, create division between the posters and the mods). I just think that maybe it's time everyone give Option A a try for once.

[Harry Beanbag]

I'm done with this topic. In the end it is Phil's board and it's going to be run the way he wants it to be run. I may not agree with everything, but that just really doesn't matter in the long run, beating our heads against the wall isn't going to change anything.

I've been here for like 8 years now because I enjoy it. It would be nice to continue to enjoy it.

[mdklatt]

:les: YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!

JFC, people. Who ****ed in the collective bowl of corn flakes again? Since this thread took such a **** spiral since last night, allow me to repeat myself.

Quit taking this stuff so seriously. It's not real. You've probably never even met most of the these people. You all have real lives, and real families, and real friends. If this place bothers you so much, quit bitching about it and take a break for awhile. It's going to be a fantastic day in most of SF land. On the list of worthwhile things you could be doing, hanging around here is #258 at best.

[Harry Beanbag]

Quit taking this stuff so seriously.


Good advice for everyone involved.

[Frozen Sooner]

I'm done with this topic. In the end it is Phil's board and it's going to be run the way he wants it to be run. I may not agree with everything, but that just really doesn't matter in the long run, beating our heads against the wall isn't going to change anything.

I've been here for like 8 years now because I enjoy it. It would be nice to continue to enjoy it.

I hope that you do. Truly.

[Mjcpr]

I'm going to play golf.

:D

[JohnnyMack]

I go out of town for a few days and come back to this?

What a bunch of weenies you're all acting like.

[JohnnyMack]

Dean likes JohnnyMack.

See what I'm saying?

:mack:

I'm one sophisticated muhfuggah!!!

[Blue]

:les: YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!

JFC, people. Who ****ed in the collective bowl of corn flakes again? Since this thread took such a **** spiral since last night, allow me to repeat myself.

Quit taking this stuff so seriously. It's not real. You've probably never even met most of the these people. You all have real lives, and real families, and real friends. If this place bothers you so much, quit bitching about it and take a break for awhile. It's going to be a fantastic day in most of SF land. On the list of worthwhile things you could be doing, hanging around here is #258 at best.

I think this says it all for everyone not posting in these threads. Calm down folks.

I was always under the impression the mods could do what they want. I like it when they act like regular posters. They've been more than patient with some of my crap and I know when I post certain things its pushing it and it doesn't surprise me when I wake up and have gotten the boot for awhile.

I don't understand the whole, "Well it used to be....cheeky!' argument. That board isn't coming back folks, unless you ban pretty much everybody but the 10 or 20 or so who long for the past. I thought you had that place in an invisible thread or forum or something where yall could all sit around and be silly with each other? :D

The SO seems the same as it always was to me. A bunch of random folks posting a bunch of random junk and loving and fighting along the way. Seems pretty consistent.

Lighten up, take a break, whatever. Just enjoy it for what it is. And cus out Rus every chance you get. :D

[olevetonahill]

I Vote Fuggit
Im gonna get Drunk , On the Hill the rest take a Pill :cool:

[colleyvillesooner]

there is just way to much sand in some peoples va jay jay's on here.

SF.com - Striving to be...sand free.

[proud gonzo]

And cus out Rus every chance you get. :Dcan that be a new rule? :D

[Blue]

can that be a new rule? :D

It says that in bold letters when I log in. Somebody must be messin with me.

:eddie: NICE TO KNOW YOUR PASSWORD IS SAFE!

[Howzit]

I'm going to pray for all of you.


But first...it's beer:thirty.


http://www.nwmicrobrews.com/New_Belgium/Springboard_Ale.jpg

[olevetonahill]

I'm going to pray for all of you.


But first...it's beer:thirty.
Then get Ur pervertedass In the Drunky thread !
Blue said you could Blow the Whistle :confused:

[Howzit]

1tc is trying to sneak back in...


analpornosexis (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/member.php?u=58841)Registering

[Sooner_Havok]

**** you, I ain't reading 13 pages of this crap. Cliff notes please! :D