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Howzit
2/24/2008, 10:18 AM
Obama's worst nightmare and McCain's dream come true.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Flagstaffsooner
2/24/2008, 10:53 AM
Not really. He can only shave off a tiny bit of the donk lunatics.

King Crimson
2/24/2008, 10:59 AM
yeah, i don't think Nader is as "viable" (as a vote siphon) this time around. versus Gore in 00, maybe. i think even the dimz will figure it out that all the good commies should rally around Obamessiah for the sake of the Party.

yermom
2/24/2008, 10:59 AM
McCain's gotta be loving this though

i guess it depends on how close it is this time

Howzit
2/24/2008, 11:00 AM
Yep, but that may be all it takes. I know it's early, but the last poll I saw had Obama at 48% to McCain's 44%. Throw in margin of error, and that's pretty cloes. Neither side could afford to forfeit any percentage points.

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 11:08 AM
If Nader is that scary to the Dems, what does that say about the Dems themselves?

bri
2/24/2008, 11:14 AM
That the role of Bush Senior and the Republican Party circa 1992 will be played by Barack Obama and the Democrats, and the role of H. Ross Perot will be played by Ralph Nader?

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 11:17 AM
That the role of Bush Senior and the Republican Party circa 1992 will be played by Barack Obama and the Democrats, and the role of H. Ross Perot will be played by Ralph Nader?So, Nader plans on earning 19% of the vote like Perot? Wow, is he going to become a bazillionair over night?

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 11:20 AM
Nader is to Dems what Ron Paul was to Reps.

yermom
2/24/2008, 11:20 AM
seems Nader got enough votes in Florida to make a difference in 2000

Flagstaffsooner
2/24/2008, 11:21 AM
Nader is to Dems what Ron Paul was to Reps.A fart in the wind.

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 11:25 AM
seems Nader got enough votes in Florida to make a difference in 2000If Gore could have won his home state, it wouldn't have mattered.

Scott D
2/24/2008, 11:57 AM
I'd be surprised if Nader got more than 2% of the popular vote to go with his 0 delegate votes in November.

sooneron
2/24/2008, 11:57 AM
Meh, I don't see him garnering more than 2-3%. By becoming a geezer, he's become marginalized.

edit: damn, ScottD beat me to it.

Howzit
2/24/2008, 12:06 PM
I agree he's not going to take much of the vote %-wise. My point is that in a close race, nether side can offord to give up a couple of percent.

Granted, where he gets votes makes a big difference, but imo, those inclined to vote for Nader are going to be more alligned with Democratic philosophies.

I doubt very seriously that either the Clinton or Obama camps view this as good news.

Widescreen
2/24/2008, 05:22 PM
I doubt very seriously that either the Clinton or Obama camps view this as good news.
why? This is just one more person for Obama to smite from on-high.

;)

Scott D
2/24/2008, 07:46 PM
I agree he's not going to take much of the vote %-wise. My point is that in a close race, nether side can offord to give up a couple of percent.

Granted, where he gets votes makes a big difference, but imo, those inclined to vote for Nader are going to be more alligned with Democratic philosophies.

I doubt very seriously that either the Clinton or Obama camps view this as good news.

the only place anyone is likely concerned about Nader making potentially any sort of impact is Florida. Then again, Floridians have proven every four years that they have no idea how to vote properly anyhow.

Sooner_Havok
2/24/2008, 07:47 PM
Hell, he won't even be on the ballot in a lot of states.

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 07:51 PM
Hell, he won't even be on the ballot in a lot of states.A quick check shows the Green Party on 20 States ballots plus DC.

Sooner_Havok
2/24/2008, 07:55 PM
A quick check shows the Green Party on 20 States ballots plus DC.

So 21 out of what, 52.

31=borderline a lot :D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/24/2008, 08:01 PM
If Nader is that scary to the Dems, what does that say about the Dems themselves?Nader must be P.O.'d that one or both of the dem candidates are running to the left of him. What's this world coming to?

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 08:02 PM
So 21 out of what, 52.

31=borderline a lot :DIt really depends on which States. If those states control a lot of electoral college votes, it could be much more significant than it looks.

Sooner_Havok
2/24/2008, 08:06 PM
It really depends on which States. If those states control a lot of electoral college votes, it could be much more significant than it looks.

Here you go

link (http://www.greens.org/stats/)

15 full, 4 partial, some big state, but overall, pretty lame

sooneron
2/24/2008, 08:08 PM
I would guess that the protest vote would be on the side (read "for" other side) of the gop this year anywho.

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 08:09 PM
Nader must be P.O.'d that one or both of the dem candidates are running to the left of him. What's this world coming to?Yeah, and it makes McCain look down right conservative. ;)

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/24/2008, 08:23 PM
Yeah, and it makes McCain look down right conservative. ;)A sad state of affairs, indeed! Even if I hold my nose, throw up and vote for McCain, I don't think there will be enough republicans who will do the same. Not enough to overcome the spirited and motivated army of socialist voters on the other side. Make good of 2008. There will be change.

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 08:28 PM
A sad state of affairs, indeed! Even if I hold my nose, throw up and vote for McCain, I don't think there will be enough republicans who will do the same. Not enough to overcome the spirited and motivated army of socialist voters on the other side. Make good of 2008. There will be change.The battle isn't over Repubs, it's over the swing vote which includes a huge number of Ind.'s and both Dems and Repubs. These are working people, in "fly over country." If we had nominated a hard core Conservative, we would have had our asses handed to us. With McCain we have a decent shot.

Curly Bill
2/24/2008, 08:28 PM
A sad state of affairs, indeed! Even if I hold my nose, throw up and vote for McCain, I don't think there will be enough republicans who will do the same. Not enough to overcome the spirited and motivated army of socialist voters on the other side. Make good of 2008. There will be change.

Don't be so glum, I think once it gets down to donk -v- elephant and people start really questioning, and in many instances attacking what Obama is all about, we'll see the elephant trample the donk.


...which is of course as it should be. :D

sooneron
2/24/2008, 08:43 PM
Sometimes pathetic reverse psychology is lost...

Sooner_Bob
2/24/2008, 08:57 PM
Hmmmm, this might make things a little more interesting.

Big Red Ron
2/24/2008, 09:04 PM
Hmmmm, this might make things a little more interesting.At a minimum, it will force Obama or Clinton to keep left. There just became a lot less room for either Democratic nominee in the proverbial "middle" to move toward in the general election.

I'm pumped, his entry will at a minimum keep the Dem's honest and I'm OK with that fight.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/24/2008, 11:06 PM
The battle isn't over Repubs, it's over the swing vote which includes a huge number of Ind.'s and both Dems and Repubs. These are working people, in "fly over country." If we had nominated a hard core Conservative, we would have had our asses handed to us. With McCain we have a decent shot.I totally disagree, but you already know that. It would have taken a perceived actual, constitution respecting conservative to really bring out the base, and win the votes of patriotic dems and independents, like Reagan did. The media is just now starting in on McCain, with the affair thing from 2000. Interesting they didn't play that card until he has the nomination almost wrapped up.(if he implodes, and they get Huckleberry as repub nominee, they will be okay with that, too.)

OUinFLA
2/24/2008, 11:22 PM
the only place anyone is likely concerned about Nader making potentially any sort of impact is Florida. Then again, Floridians have proven every four years that they have no idea how to vote properly anyhow.


I've been practicing punching out chads.

:mad:

Frozen Sooner
2/24/2008, 11:55 PM
Wow, if a loon like Perot could get 19% of the vote, how weak a candidate was George HW Bush?

Sooner_Havok
2/24/2008, 11:56 PM
Wow, if a loon like Perot could get 19% of the vote, how weak a candidate was George HW Bush?

BANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

GottaHavePride
2/25/2008, 12:03 AM
Who bans the banners?

Wait, wut?

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 12:06 AM
Who bans the banners?

Wait, wut?

I think being a sponsor lets you ban the banners, or so I have been told

Big Red Ron
2/25/2008, 12:25 AM
Wow, if a loon like Perot could get 19% of the vote, how weak a candidate was George HW Bush?about three percent weaker than Bill Clinton.

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 12:27 AM
And GW Bush was about one percent weaker than Al Gore. What's your point? ;)

Big Red Ron
2/25/2008, 12:29 AM
And GW Bush was about one percent weaker than Al Gore. What's your point? ;)I'm obviously talking about electoral college votes, ;) ya know the ones that matter. :D

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 12:32 AM
I'm obviously talking about electoral college votes, ;) ya know the ones that matter. :D

Sad. Another Republican Left Behind. ;)

370-168 electoral votes is hardly a couple of percent margin. And Clinton won the popular vote by 5%.

(Actually, Gore was only a half-percent higher in the popular vote. Whoops-my bad.)

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 12:39 AM
Sad. Another Republican Left Behind. ;)

370-168 electoral votes is hardly a couple of percent margin. And Clinton won the popular vote by 5%.

(Actually, Gore was only a half-percent higher in the popular vote. Whoops-my bad.)Do you think there will be a Civil War anytime in the foreseeable future? What do you think will happen in the next 4 years, if Hill or Obama win, and the congress is dem enough to do what they want?

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 12:47 AM
Do you think there will be a Civil War anytime in the foreseeable future? What do you think will happen in the next 4 years, if Hill or Obama win, and the congress is dem enough to do what they want?

sh*t will get done?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 12:48 AM
sh*t will get done?Agreed

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 12:50 AM
Agreed

Look, the political gaps are already starting to heal:D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 12:58 AM
Look, the political gaps are already starting to heal:DThe administering of sh*t will cause infection, and the angry servant could bite its master.

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 01:01 AM
The administering of sh*t will cause infection, and the angry servant could bite its master.

WTF??? Is that what has been happening for the last 4 years???

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 01:02 AM
Do you think there will be a Civil War anytime in the foreseeable future? What do you think will happen in the next 4 years, if Hill or Obama win, and the congress is dem enough to do what they want?

1. No. The United States has technically never had a civil war, I don't see any reason why one would happen now. I also don't think we'll see a war of secession.

2. We'll likely get some sort of single-payer health care system in place. There will also likely be increased spending to provide university-level education. Some of the tax cuts on the upper third of the income spectrum will likely be reduced or repealed.

r5TPsooner
2/25/2008, 01:08 AM
Nader is to Dems what Ron Paul was to Reps.

An embarrassment?

Big Red Ron
2/25/2008, 01:18 AM
An embarrassment?Yep, and a pain in the ***. At least Paul gave up on the Libertarian Party, which minimizes his effectiveness. Nader on the other hand has a vehicle to be a factor in the general.

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 01:26 AM
Yep, and a pain in the ***. At least Paul gave up on the Libertarian Party, which minimizes his effectiveness. Nader on the other hand has a vehicle to be a factor in the general.

Remember his debate last time with Bush and Kerry finger puppets, PRICELESS!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 01:41 AM
Yep, and a pain in the ***. At least Paul gave up on the Libertarian Party, which minimizes his effectiveness. Nader on the other hand has a vehicle to be a factor in the general.If Obama is the dem nominee, Nader will do especially poorly, since Obama may be more leftist than Nader. Imagine, Nader as a "moderate".

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 01:45 AM
Hey RLIC, if Obama wins, are we gonna have that cool,

"America held hostage, day X" thing again? That was pretty cool:texan:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 01:47 AM
Hey RLIC, if Obama wins, are we gonna have that cool,

"America held hostage, day X" thing again? That was pretty cool:texan:Talk radio as it is now, will quickly shut down.

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 01:50 AM
Talk radio as it is now, will quickly shut down.

I bet I will still get to listen to All things considered, Day to Day, and Morning Edition :D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 01:51 AM
WTF??? Is that what has been happening for the last 4 years???

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:Over time, the conservatives have been effectively defeated. It might take a full-blown dose of the sh*t you referred to earlier to re-energize them.

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 01:56 AM
Over time, the conservatives have been effectively defeated. It might take a full-blown dose of the sh*t you referred to earlier to re-energize them.

I don't know, George did em in pretty good, it make take Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini, and both Castros to get the conservatives to come back together

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 01:58 AM
I bet I will still get to listen to All things considered, Day to Day, and Morning Edition :DIf you listen to that stuff now, you will still be able to after the first amendment is once again compromised.

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 01:59 AM
If you listen to that stuff now, you will still be able to after the first amendment is once again compromised.

I heard they where just going to clean W's crayon marks of of it

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 02:00 AM
I heard they where just going to clean W's crayon marks of of itSpeak English?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 02:01 AM
Sooner_Havok, do you work for the govt.?

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 02:02 AM
Speak English?

I do, but I accidentally left off an 'f' oops, better run back to Mexico, my cover is blown!

grammar smack = weak sauce

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 02:03 AM
Sooner_Havok, do you work for the govt.?


Actually, I do but not the one you are thinking about

And you can call me Havok, we're friends!

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 02:04 AM
Shh. Havok, be careful. You're going to expose our plot to hunt down and capture Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, and Sean Hannity. Gosh, conservative talk radio hardly survived during the last Democratic administration.

Crud, that reminds me. I need to go stake out my spot in a "free speech zone."

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 02:06 AM
Crud, that reminds me. I need to go stake out my spot in a "free speech zone."

Heh, I guess you could do that. Me, I am staking my spot in the "Spin Free Zone"

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 02:20 AM
...conservative talk radio hardly survived during the last Democratic administration.

With dems now controlling congress, the stage is set for the Fairness Doctrine, which the left has been anxious to install, ever since Rush became popular. You act as though you don't know about it, and how it would get implemented.

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 02:22 AM
With dems now controlling congress, the stage is set for the Fairness Doctrine, which the left has been anxious to install, ever since Rush became popular. You act as though you don't know about it, and how it would get implemented.

Yeah, I remember how that Democratic-controlled Congress and Democratic President in 1993 and 1994 really quashed talk radio.

Rhino
2/25/2008, 02:31 AM
I just hope he sets up another 'virtual' doll debate.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/756/naderdollsen8.jpg

Sooner_Havok
2/25/2008, 02:33 AM
I just hope he sets up another 'virtual' doll debate.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/756/naderdollsen8.jpg


Remember his debate last time with Bush and Kerry finger puppets, PRICELESS!

Damn it, and in the same thread even!!!!1:D

Blue
2/25/2008, 03:06 AM
.

Crud, that reminds me. I need to go stake out my spot in a "free speech zone."

Can I say, "Mormonism is a cult" and, "Islam is a false religion" in that zone?

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 04:08 AM
It's mainly reserved for people who want to criticize the current President, but feel free. As it's not a privately-owned forum, there's no rules you're expected to abide by.

Blue
2/25/2008, 04:29 AM
Got it. It helps to clarify this one.

King Crimson
2/25/2008, 09:25 AM
With dems now controlling congress, the stage is set for the Fairness Doctrine, which the left has been anxious to install, ever since Rush became popular. You act as though you don't know about it, and how it would get implemented.

completely incorrect re: the Fairness Doctrine. i've explained this just south of a half dozen times to you Bill. the "new" Fairness Doctrine has very little chance to ever succeed because all media legislation since the 1934 act to roughly the 96 telecom act is based on the principle of scarcity of spectrum availability and a desire to guarantee a "marketplace" of ideas (if need be by regulation, so be it). that's not an issue in today's media market. fiber optics and the net eliminate the philosophical justification for regulatory measures like the FD. additionally, insofar as the FCC is in the pocket of industry and are the only one's able to enact such legislation....it ain't happening since media owners/licensee holder will claim free speech and the FD would be an economic drag.

again, serious talk of the FD was revived a few years ago not "since Rush became popular"....which, lets date around the mid 90's so you are just a decade off. or: in other words, about 66% of Rush's career....co any correlation there is far fetched....but does serve your ideological vision of your persecution at the hands of the sinister liberals.

what you've been fed is some paranoid version of an all powerful, totalitarian media cabal out to quash the last of the free thinkers and the only (highly buttressed by lobby money and think tank research--in addition to Rush liking to brag about how much money he has) one's with the *guts* to tell the establishment what's what, that heroic right wing radio.

sooneron
2/25/2008, 09:37 AM
completely incorrect re: the Fairness Doctrine. i've explained this just south of a half dozen times to you Bill. the "new" Fairness Doctrine has very little chance to ever succeed because all media legislation since the 1934 act to roughly the 96 telecom act is based on the principle of scarcity of spectrum availability and a desire to guarantee a "marketplace" of ideas (if need be by regulation, so be it). that's not an issue in today's media market. fiber optics and the net eliminate the philosophical justification for regulatory measures like the FD. additionally, insofar as the FCC is in the pocket of industry and are the only one's able to enact such legislation....it ain't happening since media owners/licensee holder will claim free speech and the FD would be an economic drag.

again, serious talk of the FD was revived a few years ago not "since Rush became popular"....which, lets date around the mid 90's so you are just a decade off. or: in other words, about 66% of Rush's career....co any correlation there is far fetched....but does serve your ideological vision of your persecution at the hands of the sinister liberals.

what you've been fed is some paranoid version of an all powerful, totalitarian media cabal out to quash the last of the free thinkers and the only (highly buttressed by lobby money and think tank research--in addition to Rush liking to brag about how much money he has) one's with the *guts* to tell the establishment what's what, that heroic right wing radio.

:pop:

Curly Bill
2/25/2008, 10:07 AM
And GW Bush was about one percent weaker than Al Gore. What's your point? ;)

Not in the electoral college. :D

edit...I see Big Red Ron already pointed this out as well.

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 11:26 AM
Not in the electoral college. :D

edit...I see Big Red Ron already pointed this out as well.

Right. But Ron obviously wasn't talking about the EC as he claimed to be, as Clinton crushed Bush in the EC.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 11:50 AM
completely incorrect re: the Fairness Doctrine. i've explained this just south of a half dozen times to you Bill. the "new" Fairness Doctrine has very little chance to ever succeed because all media legislation since the 1934 act to roughly the 96 telecom act is based on the principle of scarcity of spectrum availability and a desire to guarantee a "marketplace" of ideas (if need be by regulation, so be it). that's not an issue in today's media market. fiber optics and the net eliminate the philosophical justification for regulatory measures like the FD. additionally, insofar as the FCC is in the pocket of industry and are the only one's able to enact such legislation....it ain't happening since media owners/licensee holder will claim free speech and the FD would be an economic drag.

again, serious talk of the FD was revived a few years ago not "since Rush became popular"....which, lets date around the mid 90's so you are just a decade off. or: in other words, about 66% of Rush's career....co any correlation there is far fetched....but does serve your ideological vision of your persecution at the hands of the sinister liberals.

what you've been fed is some paranoid version of an all powerful, totalitarian media cabal out to quash the last of the free thinkers and the only (highly buttressed by lobby money and think tank research--in addition to Rush liking to brag about how much money he has) one's with the *guts* to tell the establishment what's what, that heroic right wing radio.Sure thing, KC! There will be a very serious, and likely successful attempt by the dems to effectively shut down talk radio. You can count on it. Even if McCain gets elected, there might be an attempt to do it, since McCain is especially touchy about criticism. IMO, he would have to do a lot of good things for talk radio to quit criticising him on their own accord.

yermom
2/25/2008, 11:55 AM
Rush was bigger when Clinton was in office, wasn't he? if a Dem is in the White House he'll have lots more to complain about and probably get back on TV again

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 12:10 PM
Rush was bigger when Clinton was in office, wasn't he? if a Dem is in the White House he'll have lots more to complain about and probably get back on TV againI think his audience has never quit growing. I don't think he wants to go on tv. He could never get prime time scheduling, anyway, unless maybe on Foxnews, or if he owned the network.

Howzit
2/25/2008, 12:27 PM
:D

http://www.drudgereport.com/oa.jpg

Frozen Sooner
2/25/2008, 12:35 PM
Who TP'd the Senator?

King Crimson
2/25/2008, 12:36 PM
I think his audience has never quit growing. I don't think he wants to go on tv. He could never get prime time scheduling, anyway, unless maybe on Foxnews, or if he owned the network.

i've also posted this before: what Rush has done on AM radio, a moribund medium after the early 70's give or take, is a remarkable demonstration of how media (or communications) are supposed to function in a free, open market society insofar as being a means whereby political education and involvement takes place. the fact i think he's a moron and a rhetorical opportunist, nothwithstanding.

for Rush and many "Pubs", nothing will make them happier (and Rush more $$$) than a black democratic president with a legion of zombie like followers to bang the drum day after day about their own persecution and the organized subversion of all that's great about America. it's the position Rush pioneered and the impetus for all the "Pubs" weaned on the resentment (some of it legit) that gave Newt et al. the Contract with America and the "revolution" of 1994. it's an ambush spot, perfect rhetorical positionality: take aim and fire. there's no need to articulate any positive doctrine except ambiguous references to "true conservative principles", goofy impersonations of key figures standing in for any argument, a lot of spurious "facts" and just fire away.

that's Rush's wheelhouse. he's gonna be bigger than God.

edit: in the impossible event that there was some Dem move to "shut down talk radio", i'd be the first to defend the right for "right-wing" radio to exist. it should. however, the question is an economic one not political. it ain't happening. no one has the power to censure free speech in the market in such a way.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 01:36 PM
...for Rush and many "Pubs", nothing will make them happier (and Rush more $$$) than a black democratic president with a legion of zombie like followers to bang the drum day after day about their own persecution and the organized subversion of all that's great about America. it's the position Rush pioneered and the impetus for all the "Pubs" weaned on the resentment (some of it legit) that gave Newt et al. the Contract with America and the "revolution" of 1994.

edit: in the impossible event that there was some Dem move to "shut down talk radio", i'd be the first to defend the right for "right-wing" radio to exist. it should. however, the question is an economic one not political. it ain't happening. no one has the power to censure free speech in the market in such a way.I fully expect an ongoing assault on talk radio, if the first attempts aren't successful. As long as Rush is able to stay on the air, he will, indeed, do well financially. He is already mega-wealthy, and I don't think he's too worried about money. (You might even agree with that)
If you were to listen to his show, you would hear the actual, specific principles of conservatism discussed quite often, not just a mention that there are those principles. I know that you have listened to him some in the past, but to appreciate him better, you ought to listen more regularly. If you do, I'm sure you will gain a new respect for his show.

JohnnyMack
2/25/2008, 01:40 PM
I fully expect an ongoing assault on talk radio, if the first attempts aren't successful. As long as Rush is able to stay on the air

http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/25/2008, 01:59 PM
http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpgWILDLY clever. Gee, I've never seen you do that one before!

TheHumanAlphabet
2/25/2008, 02:30 PM
Go Nader...Split the dem vote...

TheHumanAlphabet
2/25/2008, 02:31 PM
I don't want my POTUS doing this to my kids!! :mad: :mad:

http://www.achievement.org/achievers/nad0/large/nad0-005.jpg

:eek: Nader wants kids who can't see over the dash to drive. We must stop him at all costs!!! ;)