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Soonerus
2/20/2008, 10:55 PM
...hope,change,"Yes we can"...blah,blah,blah...

bri
2/20/2008, 10:59 PM
Yeah, I can see where upbeat optimism would be like Kryptonite to you.

royalfan5
2/20/2008, 10:59 PM
If Jimmy Carter can get elected, I think Obama can too.

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:03 PM
Yeah, I can see where upbeat optimism would be like Kryptonite to you.

I can see where surfacy rhetoric would be like fried food to you...

texas bandman
2/20/2008, 11:07 PM
I just voted for him today...early voting has started in Texas. It would just be nice to have a President who can comunicate effectively and perhaps be able to pronounce "nuclear". :D

sooner_born_1960
2/20/2008, 11:07 PM
Am I going to have to send both of you to your rooms?

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:09 PM
I just voted for him today...early voting has started in Texas. It would just be nice to have a President who can comunicate effectively and perhaps be able to pronounce "nuclear". :D

I have not ruled him in or out, I am just astonished at the "bandwagon" type support he is receiving...

GottaHavePride
2/20/2008, 11:10 PM
support is support.

He's got a better chance than Hillary.

sooner_born_1960
2/20/2008, 11:11 PM
support is support.

He's got a better chance than Hillary.
Captain Obvious.

mdklatt
2/20/2008, 11:11 PM
I can see where surfacy rhetoric would be like fried food to you...

I missed the weekend meltdown, I don't want to miss another one.

:pop:

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:11 PM
support is support.

He's got a better chance than Hillary.

Better chance than Hillary for what, Democratic nomination or Presidential election ???

mdklatt
2/20/2008, 11:12 PM
I have not ruled him in or out, I am just astonished at the "bandwagon" type support he is receiving...

What, are you an aggie?

:stunned:

JohnnyMack
2/20/2008, 11:15 PM
I have not ruled him in or out, I am just astonished at the "bandwagon" type support he is receiving...

No **** you haven't ruled him out. That turd you've been pimping is sinking like the Titanic, you have to latch onto something.

sooner_born_1960
2/20/2008, 11:15 PM
In 2 weeks, Hillary's chances of being president will be the same as mine.

mdklatt
2/20/2008, 11:16 PM
Better chance than Hillary for what, Democratic nomination or Presidential election ???

Getting elected for sure. Hillary would mobilize the far-right wingers, and turn off the ones who are thinking about defecting. Obama would probably do better with independents, too.

Given the Democratic penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, though, Hillary might get the nomination.

Curly Bill
2/20/2008, 11:17 PM
Ultimately...no, I don't think Obama can be POTUS.

Like him, hate him, or like me merely able to accept him, McCain is gonna be the next POTUS. You can book that.

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:17 PM
No **** you haven't ruled him out. That turd you've been pimping is sinking like the Titanic, you have to latch onto something.

Excuse me, who have I been "pimping" ?? Please tell me so I will know who to vote for...thanks...

KaiserSooner
2/20/2008, 11:21 PM
Only in a right-wing backwater like Oklahoma are people questioning whether Obama has a chance to become president.

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:21 PM
The next POTUS will be Obama, or...

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:22 PM
POTUS Clinton....or...

soonerinabilene
2/20/2008, 11:23 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/genuice13/2169a1.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/rhunt44/southpark2.jpg
This is what comes to mind no matter who wins.

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:24 PM
POTUS McCain...

Curly Bill
2/20/2008, 11:24 PM
Only in a right-wing backwater like Oklahoma are people questioning whether Obama has a chance to become president.

I'm in the right-wing backwater of texas...

...so seemingly not only Oklahoma.

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:25 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/genuice13/2169a1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/DamienLeeRoth/******.jpg

This is what comes to mind no matter who wins.

No debate...

Soonerus
2/20/2008, 11:26 PM
The three left standing are a curious group...a little disappointing....

SanJoaquinSooner
2/20/2008, 11:28 PM
Realistic? I'd say he has a better than 25% chance.

But we've never had a donk from the liberal wing of the party win an election - at least since WWII.

Curly Bill
2/20/2008, 11:28 PM
The three left standing are a curious group...a little disappointing....

Is that a surprise?

Whet
2/20/2008, 11:31 PM
No, Obama will NOT be the next POTUS and I am not in backwater Oklahoma, but in Obama's backyard.

mdklatt
2/20/2008, 11:32 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/genuice13/2169a1.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/rhunt44/southpark2.jpg
This is what comes to mind no matter who wins.

Well, McCain certainly seemed like a big ****** back in 2000. He seems to have mellowed since then. There's a lot less vinegar in him....

Chuck Bao
2/20/2008, 11:33 PM
Regardless, any of the three will make a far, far better president than the current one. There is only upside from here.

SoonerKnight
2/21/2008, 12:25 AM
I am a democrat and I would say that McCain will win! The only thing I can think of that might hurt him is the fact that he said we could be in Iraq anoth 100 years!!!! Oh and I can not support Obama because I do not know what he stands for and 2 years in the Senat is really not enough to be POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Curly Bill
2/21/2008, 12:28 AM
Oh and I can not support Obama because I do not know what he stands for and 2 years in the Senat is really not enough to be POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He stands for change. Haven't you been paying attention? ;) :D

SouthFortySooner
2/21/2008, 12:55 AM
He's an American citizen isn't he? :confused:

Edit: discounted realistic. You know apple pie, baseball, any (muslim educated) American citizen can be president.

KC//CRIMSON
2/21/2008, 01:05 AM
Yeah, I can see where upbeat optimism would be like Kryptonite to you.

If Obama's house ever filled with water, Rus would knock over every man, woman, child, and invalid to get to the voting booth.

I'm talking like Britney on a bag of Cheetos, folks.

Whet
2/21/2008, 01:14 AM
Try this for Barack Obama (http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm) information

Ash
2/21/2008, 01:22 AM
Try this for Barack Obama (http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm) information

Hilarious. The links for that site, it's "sources", contradict the info on the site at least the few times I actually clicked.

Nice try.:texan:

Whet
2/21/2008, 01:26 AM
Hilarious. The links for that site, it's "sources", contradict the info on the site at least the few times I actually clicked.

Nice try.:texan:

never said it was all correct or all wrong. You got to be able to sort it out...

Ash
2/21/2008, 01:27 AM
never said it was all correct or all wrong. You got to be able to sort it out...

Thanks for the neg. Sorry your website is full of it.:rolleyes:

Whet
2/21/2008, 01:36 AM
Thanks for the neg. Sorry your website is full of it.:rolleyes:
one good neg deserves the same! Not my website.

rufnek05
2/21/2008, 01:46 AM
What happened to this guy?
http://americansfortruth.com/uploads/2006/11/howard-dean.jpg
BEYA!!! he seems to have the energy to be president

Ash
2/21/2008, 01:46 AM
one good neg deserves the same! Not my website.

LOL

I didn't give out any neg spek, if that's the issue. But...whatever gets you throught the night.

OU4LIFE
2/21/2008, 08:32 AM
no

Okla-homey
2/21/2008, 08:40 AM
He may win, but I'll tell you IMHO, he will join the short list of "change agents" we've elected in my lifetime.

First, JFK. Popular among youth, but accomplished very little. I'm no Oliver Stone fan, nor am I a tinfoil hat wearer, but ultimately, I beleive JFK was eliminated because he was considered a liability by too many powerful interests.

About 15 years later Jimmy came along. Big "change agent." Disasterous presidency. Big personal disappointment because I supported the guy in HS. Silly me.

Now, BHO. Platitudes aplenty but no substance. Moreover, the bearer of an alarmingly leftist world view.

In short, if he's elected, folks will come to rue the day.

MamaMia
2/21/2008, 08:42 AM
I suspect that he will be our next president. God help us. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/OUmom/pray.gif

OU4LIFE
2/21/2008, 08:51 AM
if he's elected, he'd be the first President in my voting lifetime that actually made me nervous about the harm he could do.

Xstnlsooner
2/21/2008, 09:42 AM
We've been on the slippery slope for a while, I can't really see any captain
righting this ship. If only we could throw all the bums out and start all over.
Of course, in a short amount of time, we'd be right back where we are now.

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling." heh

JohnnyMack
2/21/2008, 10:27 AM
He may win, but I'll tell you IMHO, he will join the short list of "change agents" we've elected in my lifetime.

First, JFK. Popular among youth, but accomplished very little. I'm no Oliver Stone fan, nor am I a tinfoil hat wearer, but ultimately, I beleive JFK was eliminated because he was considered a liability by too many powerful interests.

About 15 years later Jimmy came along. Big "change agent." Disasterous presidency. Big personal disappointment because I supported the guy in HS. Silly me.

Now, BHO. Platitudes aplenty but no substance. Moreover, the bearer of an alarmingly leftist world view.

In short, if he's elected, folks will come to rue the day.

So let's just keep rolling out old white dudes. WASP Power!!!

:rolleyes:

OU4LIFE
2/21/2008, 10:42 AM
I could totally go for a chick President, btw, just not the one that is trying right now.

I mean srsly, having the entire world in fear of the button for one week every month, that's teh win.

MamaMia
2/21/2008, 10:48 AM
People are so fed up with this, that and the other, that they just want "change"...ANY change. They want change so badly that they're willing to vote for the most 'different' one out there, without taking the time to check out the facts. It just amazes me with all the people in the United States of America, that this lousy bunch of presidential candidates was the best they could offer us. Shame on all the dumb bunnies who didn't give Hunter any money!!!

NormanPride
2/21/2008, 11:01 AM
Heh. You can tell this is an Oklahoma sports board. :)

Hatfield
2/21/2008, 12:07 PM
I am a democrat and I would say that McCain will win! The only thing I can think of that might hurt him is the fact that he said we could be in Iraq anoth 100 years!!!! Oh and I can not support Obama because I do not know what he stands for and 2 years in the Senat is really not enough to be POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if only in today's world it was somehow easy to educate yourself on the positions of the individuals running for office.....

oh well best to stay ignorant than take the time to educate yourself, i guess

OU4LIFE
2/21/2008, 12:11 PM
if only in today's world it was somehow easy to educate yourself on the positions of the individuals running for office.....

oh well best to stay ignorant than take the time to educate yourself, i guess

heh, it's 'edumacate' dumas...

SouthFortySooner
2/21/2008, 01:18 PM
another beautiful thing about this country. I don't have to educate myself about Obammae. I can just not vote for him based on things which are obvious to the fronts of my eyes.

bri
2/21/2008, 01:20 PM
Which are?

soonerscuba
2/21/2008, 01:37 PM
another beautiful thing about this country. I don't have to educate myself about Obammae. I can just not vote for him based on things which are obvious to the fronts of my eyes.

I don't know nothing about him, but I hate him. That isn't a strength it's at best a weakness, at worst bigotry.

Also Rus, the fact that a man with a delegate lead in the Democratic Party with close to a million donors with over 100m raised should probably answer your own question.

Jerk
2/21/2008, 01:39 PM
Hillary Clinton has got to be shaking her head, wondering what the hell happened.

bri
2/21/2008, 01:43 PM
Heh, being Hillary Clinton happened. :D

LosAngelesSooner
2/21/2008, 02:56 PM
I suspect that he will be our next president. God help us. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/OUmom/pray.gifGod's pretty tired from helping us get through the last 8 years. :rolleyes:

JohnnyMack
2/21/2008, 02:59 PM
if he's elected, he'd be the first President in my voting lifetime that actually made me nervous about the harm he could do.

What do you mean?

Srsly.

Echoes
2/21/2008, 03:10 PM
Not only is it possible for him to win, he will win. Book it. You guys have to remember, Oklahoma does not equal America. We are the definition of a conservative state. Larger states are not. Obama will win not in a landslide, but it won't be close.

BTW, I predicted the super bowl exactly. So obviously, I am right about this as well ;)

LosAngelesSooner
2/21/2008, 03:11 PM
What do you mean?

Srsly.
He means that Obama makes him scared about the harm he COULD do, while Dubya makes us regret all the harm he DID do.

;)

OU4LIFE
2/21/2008, 03:58 PM
no, what I mean is, and this is based on my limited time on this earth dealing with people, those that talk the most, do the least. BHO sure talks a lot.

and to be perfectly honest, I have a problem electing a man whose beliefs follow the teachings of Muhammad. Something about that just doesn't set right with me. But that's all JMO.

JohnnyMack
2/21/2008, 04:32 PM
no, what I mean is, and this is based on my limited time on this earth dealing with people, those that talk the most, do the least. BHO sure talks a lot.

and to be perfectly honest, I have a problem electing a man whose beliefs follow the teachings of Muhammad. Something about that just doesn't set right with me. But that's all JMO.

They all do. They're trying to convey their message so you'll vote for him.

Maybe you should vote for this guy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d5hSmJGdkns

shaun4411
2/21/2008, 04:36 PM
i bet you dollars to donuts that obama will have done less damage than bush (if he wins). i think the obama mccain race will be fun to watch.

StoopTroup
2/21/2008, 04:42 PM
Gravel RAWKS!

LosAngelesSooner
2/21/2008, 04:47 PM
Hey, don't get me wrong...I like McCain, but I won't throw myself from the ledge if Obama wins.

Either way...it's not Bush.

bri
2/21/2008, 05:11 PM
no, what I mean is, and this is based on my limited time on this earth dealing with people, those that talk the most, do the least. BHO sure talks a lot.

and to be perfectly honest, I have a problem electing a man whose beliefs follow the teachings of Muhammad. Something about that just doesn't set right with me. But that's all JMO.

Wait, there's a Muslim running? Who? Where?

XingTheRubicon
2/21/2008, 05:20 PM
Wait, someone called him a Muslim? Who? Where?

Soonersince57
2/21/2008, 05:35 PM
All hat - - no cattle

SoonerBOI
2/21/2008, 05:48 PM
Right now America is in a mood for change, so YES. But my vote goes to John.

leavingthezoo
2/21/2008, 06:00 PM
no, what I mean is, and this is based on my limited time on this earth dealing with people, those that talk the most, do the least. BHO sure talks a lot.

and to be perfectly honest, I have a problem electing a man whose beliefs follow the teachings of Muhammad. Something about that just doesn't set right with me. But that's all JMO.

how 'bout a man whose beliefs follow the teachings of Jesus. will that help?

Condescending Sooner
2/21/2008, 06:05 PM
no, what I mean is, and this is based on my limited time on this earth dealing with people, those that talk the most, do the least. BHO sure talks a lot.

and to be perfectly honest, I have a problem electing a man whose beliefs follow the teachings of Muhammad. Something about that just doesn't set right with me. But that's all JMO.


Ohhhh nooooo. Be prepared to be called an idiot and looked down upon by all the Obama sheep.

Octavian
2/21/2008, 06:22 PM
no, what I mean is, and this is based on my limited time on this earth dealing with people, those that talk the most, do the least. BHO sure talks a lot.

and to be perfectly honest, I have a problem electing a man whose beliefs follow the teachings of Muhammad. Something about that just doesn't set right with me. But that's all JMO.



Gravel RAWKS!



All hat - - no cattle



Ohhhh nooooo. Be prepared to be called an idiot and looked down upon by all the Obama sheep.



Lost souls fear not...



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the Messiah forgave all of you before you even clicked Submit Reply ;)

shaun4411
2/21/2008, 07:24 PM
it'd be so weird to see a president whose skin isnt white, whose middle name is hussein, and whose last name, obama, rhymes with osama. its just weird. and the rednecks cant get over that.

SouthFortySooner
2/21/2008, 07:44 PM
I don't know nothing about him, but I hate him. That isn't a strength it's at best a weakness, at worst bigotry.

.... and I still get to vote. Thats my point. :D

Whet
2/21/2008, 07:56 PM
There is a few months for the electorate to learn about Berry Obama. The MSM has not made any attempts to learn about Berry, and probably will not.

In addition to being one of George Soros' ilk, here is one article about Berry's mentor, that he mentioned in his book "Dreams From My Father":


WorldNetDaily
Obama mentor identified as communist
Frank Marshall Davis 'discussed American imperialism, colonialism, exploitation'
Posted: February 19, 2008
9:27 pm Eastern

WorldNetDaily

The mysterious "Frank" cited as a friend and adviser by Democratic president contender Barack Obama while he was growing up in Hawaii has been identified as Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the old Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA.

The identification comes from Cliff Kincaid in his column, "Obama's Communist Mentor," which was made available on the Accuracy in Media website.

"Let's challenge the liberal media to report on this," he wrote in his column. "Will they have the honesty and integrity to do so?"

Kincaid, who earlier reported on Obama's pending plan to ship $845 billion overseas to battle "global poverty" as evidence of his socialist leanings, said the newly revealed connection is even more worrisome.

(Story continues below)

"Obama's communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency," he wrote.

In Obama's book, "Dreams From My Father," he repeatedly refers to his friend and adviser as "Frank."

"The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several Communist front organizations," Kincaid said.

Kincaid noted Obama has admitted attending "social conferences" and seeing Marxist literature. "But he ridicules the charge of being a 'hard-core academic Marxist,' which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes."

He described the link as "ominous."

"Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union," Kincaid wrote.

He noted even Obama describes "Frank" has having "some modest notoriety once."

Kincaid notes that a history professor in Houston reported that Davis "befriended" a family whose son was named Barack Obama, "who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago."

"It was in Chicago that Obama became a 'community organizer' and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America…," Kincaid wrote. "The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization."

He also reported Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, confirmed that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama's book.

She did her dissertation on Davis, and wrote that he brought, "an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world" and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism, colonialism and exploitation, according to AIM.

bri
2/21/2008, 08:01 PM
Oh noes! People who know people who supported nefarious causes four decades ago are running for President! Panic!

47straight
2/21/2008, 08:08 PM
BAAAA!!! BAAAA!!!! BAAAA!!!


There is an Obama rally tomorrow night here in Austin. Since they're shutting down the streets and I won't be able to get home at a reasonable hour, I was thinking of renting a sheep costume and attending.

Jerk
2/21/2008, 08:08 PM
it'd be so weird to see a president whose skin isnt white, whose middle name is hussein, and whose last name, obama, rhymes with osama. its just weird. and the rednecks cant get over that.

I'm probably one of those rednecks you're referring to, and to be honest, I really don't give a sh** anymore. I used to be worried about yall taking away our guns, but I really do believe that Heller vs. D.C. will take care of that. Moreover, whatever damage you guys do between 08 and 12 will not be our fault.

You guys sure are going to get a lot of good Iraqis killed when you pull the rug out from Iraq.

SleestakSooner
2/21/2008, 08:11 PM
No need to remind anyone here that the Bush family was well accquainted with the Bin Laden family well before W got into the whitehouse is there?

Jerk
2/21/2008, 08:17 PM
No need to remind anyone here that the Bush family was well accquainted with the Bin Laden family well before W got into the whitehouse is there?

We gave him Stinger missles so he could kill PUKE COMMIE BAST*RDS?

am I right?

Whet
2/21/2008, 08:17 PM
No need to remind anyone here that John and Robert Kennedy were sexually involved with MM, is there?

Or, that Jimmy Carter, another vision-type, was one of the worst presidents we suffered under in the 70s?

So, what does these events have to do with today's problems with radical islamists? NOTHING.

Vaevictis
2/21/2008, 08:27 PM
I used to be worried about yall taking away our guns, but I really do believe that Heller vs. D.C. will take care of that.

It's not just the Democrats you have to worry about on this. Both parties have been chip chip chipping away at that for some time; some Democrats directly, and both parties indirectly.


You guys sure are going to get a lot of good Iraqis killed when you pull the rug out from Iraq.

Yep. But, being the pessimist I am, I think it happens either way. It's basically the norm for order to be imposed at gunpoint in that region. I don't think our little jaunt over there is going to change that, not unless we want to stick around for 30-50 years.

Jerk
2/21/2008, 08:35 PM
It's not just the Democrats you have to worry about on this. Both parties have been chip chip chipping away at that for some time; some Democrats directly, and both parties indirectly.



Yep. But, being the pessimist I am, I think it happens either way. It's basically the norm for order to be imposed at gunpoint in that region. I don't think our little jaunt over there is going to change that, not unless we want to stick around for 30-50 years.

I can't argue with you on your first point, but about Iraq, I see no reason to pull out now, especially since we've made so many gains. Plus, it keeps the fight 'over there.'

Vaevictis
2/21/2008, 08:41 PM
I can't argue with you on your first point, but about Iraq, I see no reason to pull out now, especially since we've made so many gains.

Personally, I don't think I do either -- at this point. Like you, I think we've made some gains, and I'd like to see if we can sustain them.

Long term, though, I don't see it as making any difference. I feel like no matter what we do, the government we set up is going to collapse in a blaze of gunfire. It's just a matter of when.


Plus, it keeps the fight 'over there.'

I don't buy this argument. Never have, and short of some pretty strong evidence, never will. But as I recall, we've been over that ad nauseum, so we can just agree to disagree.

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 08:47 PM
Obama can't win.

Jerk
2/21/2008, 08:48 PM
I don't buy this argument. Never have, and short of some pretty strong evidence, never will. But as I recall, we've been over that ad nauseum, so we can just agree to disagree.

I agree :D

Jerk
2/21/2008, 08:50 PM
Obama can't win.
If he takes Ohio or Florida, he will.

As a partisan right wing gun-loving lunatic, I was hoping for Hillary to win the nomination. With Obama, we're Doomed. Dooooooomed! :mad: He's like a black Jesus to his followers.

Curly Bill
2/21/2008, 08:51 PM
Obama can't win.

Another agree.

Must be because I'm some sorta redneck or somethin.

shaun4411
2/21/2008, 08:51 PM
Obama can't win.

why? he'd be in a position to make things happen. he has enough friends so that people will want to do things for him. and he seems to actually want to do something.

stoopified
2/21/2008, 08:52 PM
Please dear God,NO.

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 08:55 PM
why? he'd be in a position to make things happen. he has enough friends so that people will want to do things for him. and he seems to actually want to do something.Look at his voting record in the Senate and the state legislature. He is without question, the most liberal Democratic nominee ever. Even more liberal than Dukakis. That just doesn't sell in Presidential politics.

Curly Bill
2/21/2008, 08:55 PM
why? he'd be in a position to make things happen. he has enough friends so that people will want to do things for him. and he seems to actually want to do something.

Why? Because ultimately not enough people will vote for him.

...I mean besides all his friends.

Besides that I, and many other people, don't want him to be in a position to make the things happen that he wants to happen.

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 08:56 PM
If he takes Ohio or Florida, he will.

As a partisan right wing gun-loving lunatic, I was hoping for Hillary to win the nomination. With Obama, we're Doomed. Dooooooomed! :mad: He's like a black Jesus to his followers.He won't win Florida and the Dems will lose Wisconsin and Michigan if he is the nominee.

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 09:00 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2008-02/35094271.jpg

"My eyes adored you."

Curly Bill
2/21/2008, 09:01 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2008-02/35094271.jpg

"My eyes adored you."

I'm just glad she can finally be proud to be an American.

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 09:02 PM
I'm just glad she can finally be proud to be an American.Me too. It does my heart good to know that Michelle Obama is proud to be an American, finally.

JohnnyMack
2/21/2008, 09:03 PM
You guys sure are going to get a lot of good Iraqis killed when you pull the rug out from Iraq.

W did that.

You know it.

leavingthezoo
2/21/2008, 09:10 PM
He's like a black Jesus to his followers.

what's funny about this is... Jesus was probably a black Jesus, too.

:D

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 09:12 PM
what's funny about this is... Jesus was probably a black Jesus, too.

:DOh no you di-ent.



































http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/images/Barzoni-Black-Jesus-Montage-Vincent-Barzoni.jpeg

Vaevictis
2/21/2008, 09:13 PM
what's funny about this is... Jesus was probably a black Jesus, too.

... six pound, eight ounce, newborn baby Jesus...

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 09:15 PM
... six pound, eight ounce, newborn baby Jesus...:D


http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/images/Barzoni-Black-Jesus-Montage-Vincent-Barzoni.jpeg

TUSooner
2/21/2008, 10:30 PM
if only in today's world it was somehow easy to educate yourself on the positions of the individuals running for office.....

oh well best to stay ignorant than take the time to educate yourself, i guess

Educated people and ignorant dolts get the same two lame choices at the end of the day, every frikkin day. Is it because there are too many ignorant dolts? Or are the "educated" people who are active in the nominating process not all that smart after all? I really don't know. Just sayin

I think Obama has the same chance as, say, Mondale or Dukakis. On the other hand, McCain may be the next Bob Dole.

BTW, last I dreamed that Obama chose Daniel Ortega as his running mate.
It seemed so real!

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 10:31 PM
It's up to the campaigns to educate the voters.

Blue
2/21/2008, 10:33 PM
what's funny about this is... Jesus was probably a black Jesus, too.

:D

I know this was in fun, but Jesus was Jewish. Don't know why this is ever up for debate.

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 10:36 PM
I know this was in fun, but Jesus was Jewish. Don't know why this is ever up for debate.You're no fun.

http://www.picturesofjesus4you.com/ethnic/garden_of_gethsemane_unk.jpg










They don't make Jew's like Jesus anymore.:D

royalfan5
2/21/2008, 10:38 PM
I know this was in fun, but Jesus was Jewish. Don't know why this is ever up for debate.
So was Sammy Davis Jr.

Vaevictis
2/21/2008, 10:39 PM
I know this was in fun, but Jesus was Jewish. Don't know why this is ever up for debate.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7899/fgpetergriffinhusbandfaan5.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fgpetergriffinhusbandfaan5.jpg)
"HOLY CRAP! I'M BLACK! Hne hne hne hne hne hne"

KaiserSooner
2/21/2008, 10:43 PM
You guys sure are going to get a lot of good Iraqis killed when you pull the rug out from Iraq.

"You guys" will get a lot more Iraqis killed if McCain gets his way. But ya know...no Iraqi blood would be on American hands if your boy dubya hadn't started that ball rolling.

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 10:46 PM
So was Sammy Davis Jr.Oh no you di-ent, part two.

KaiserSooner
2/21/2008, 10:49 PM
if he's elected, he'd be the first President in my voting lifetime that actually made me nervous about the harm he could do.

Nervous? I've already had seven, almost eight, years of that with dubya.

Check that...it's the harm dubya has done, not could've done.

Blue
2/21/2008, 11:12 PM
So was Sammy Davis Jr.

You know what I mean. Vaevictus too. Smartasses. :cool:

leavingthezoo
2/21/2008, 11:16 PM
I know this was in fun, but Jesus was Jewish. Don't know why this is ever up for debate.

well, he did call everybody "brotha"

:D

Blue
2/21/2008, 11:25 PM
and he had a 12-inch :chicken: Doesn't prove nothing.

I just lost all credibility here. Any of whats left that is. :D

Big Red Ron
2/21/2008, 11:27 PM
and he had a 12-inch :chicken: Doesn't prove nothing.

I just lost all credibility here. Any of whats left that is. :DSo did John Holmes, whats the point?:D

Blue
2/21/2008, 11:29 PM
So did John Holmes, whats the point?:D

That's what I'm saying. Don't mean nothin.

OU4LIFE
2/22/2008, 08:25 AM
I was really hoping to be crucified more than I was.

do better.

Mjcpr
2/22/2008, 09:29 AM
You putt like Sergio.

OU4LIFE
2/22/2008, 10:11 AM
you din't have to get mean about it.

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 10:18 AM
You're the Rory Sabbatini of the SO.

MamaMia
2/22/2008, 11:44 AM
God's pretty tired from helping us get through the last 8 years. :rolleyes: God doesn't get tired, and I guarantee you that people cheering their lungs out for Obamas change, that may cause Jesus Himself to come down and turn over some more tax tables, didn't prompt Him to be "proud of our country for the very first time." :rolleyes:

soonerscuba
2/22/2008, 11:53 AM
God doesn't get tired, and I guarantee you that people cheering their lungs out for Obamas change, that may cause Jesus Himself to come down and turn over some more tax tables, didn't prompt Him to be "proud of our country for the very first time." :rolleyes:

You do know that you just misquoted Obama's wife (read: not Obama) while trying to incorporate Jesus and tax codes to your world view which happens to be lower taxes? Impressive... and sad.

OU4LIFE
2/22/2008, 12:04 PM
hey, we're not talking about Cuba here...stay out of it.

;)

soonerscuba
2/22/2008, 12:09 PM
hey, we're not talking about Cuba here...stay out of it.

;)

That is why I am voting for Obama, he is going to build a giant gay masque in Havana and use commie mind control and speeches to raise your tax rates to 8,000%, we are going tax your progeny in advance. Hail the glorious revolution.

OU4LIFE
2/22/2008, 12:12 PM
you're supposed to follow that with 'Praise be to Allah' while being sworn in with one hand on the Qu'ran

Vaevictis
2/22/2008, 12:21 PM
God doesn't get tired, and I guarantee you that people cheering their lungs out for Obamas change, that may cause Jesus Himself to come down and turn over some more tax tables, didn't prompt Him to be "proud of our country for the very first time." :rolleyes:

When did Jesus turn over tax tables?

mdklatt
2/22/2008, 12:34 PM
we are going tax your progeny in advance

mandatory abortions (funded by the death tax) = no more progeny

bri
2/22/2008, 12:39 PM
When did Jesus turn over tax tables?

Shhhhh, don't confuse the faithful with accuracy.

Blue
2/22/2008, 12:50 PM
Shhhhh, don't confuse the faithful with accuracy.

He threw the money changers out of the temple I think is what she was referring to.

bri
2/22/2008, 01:03 PM
Yes, I'm aware of the reference. But the money changers weren't tax collectors. You know who was a tax collector? Matthew. :D

mdklatt
2/22/2008, 01:06 PM
John 10:47

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, unless doing so would make it impossible to add the Eddie Bauer package to your new Gulfstream.

Fugue
2/22/2008, 01:06 PM
Didn't the "wee little man" collect taxes too?

mdklatt
2/22/2008, 01:08 PM
Didn't the "wee little man" collect taxes too?

Do you mean the little man in the boat? He expects a payoff, alright.

bri
2/22/2008, 01:10 PM
ZANG! :D

leavingthezoo
2/22/2008, 01:10 PM
Didn't the "wee little man" collect taxes too?

NOT WHILE HE WAS IN THE SYCAMORE TREE!

so, see... the answer is, more sycamore trees.

this thread quit making sense when it was started.

Fugue
2/22/2008, 01:12 PM
Yes, I'm aware of the reference. But the money changers weren't tax collectors. You know who was a tax collector? Matthew. :D

Pat is a tax collector? That bastard.

Mjcpr
2/22/2008, 01:35 PM
Pat is a tax collector? That bastard.

Could I get your full name and FIN please?

Don't be alarmed, this is just routine.

r5TPsooner
2/22/2008, 01:38 PM
The only way that he DOESN'T become President, is if people decide in the voting booth that they're just not ready for an African American to become President.

Personally, I'd be shocked if he didn't destroy McCain come election time.

Condescending Sooner
2/22/2008, 01:42 PM
The only way that he DOESN'T become President, is if people decide in the voting booth that they're just not ready for an African American to become President.

Personally, I'd be shocked if he didn't destroy McCain come election time.

No that isn't the only reason. You can cry racism all you want, but his extremely liberal voting record and crazy proposals will turn off more people than his race.

Whet
2/22/2008, 01:49 PM
How many here remember the failed Presidency of Jimmy Carter? For those that lived through those miserable four years, they would not be so gung ho for another period of that! I believe Berry would by several orders of magnitued worst than Carter...

No, we can vote against a person, based on their views, not the color of their skin.

texas bandman
2/22/2008, 02:04 PM
John 10:47

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, unless doing so would make it impossible to add the Eddie Bauer package to your new Gulfstream.

Spek, The New Testament according to the I want it all crowd.

My wife and I are teachers. Our combined salaries after 25 years of teaching are barely into 6 figures. With the tax shelters we have available to us including being able to tax shelter our health insurance our taxable income is around $60 grand and we pay about 16% in federal taxes each year. I feel like my tax rate is okay, but then my wife and I live within our means and plan for the future, so we can afford our tax burden. I think many people fail to live within their means and so the tax burden feels excessive to them.

Sooner_Bob
2/22/2008, 02:08 PM
I guess at this point his chances are as realistic as McCain's. Will it happen? Who knows.

Comments from his wife like this won't help him gain my vote.


"For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country," she told a Milwaukee crowd today, "because it feels like hope is making a comeback."

I mean seriously, has the US been hopeless the previous 200 plus years? Her comments wreak of arrogance and frankly irritate the crap out of me. America is "this" close to having a man of color gaining a presidential nomination for one of the major political parties and there's hope? Pulease.

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 02:11 PM
I mean seriously, has the US been hopeless the previous 200 plus years? Her comments wreak of arrogance and frankly irritate the crap out of me. America is "this" close to having a man of color gaining a presidential nomination for one of the major political parties and there's hope? Pulease.

I think she clarified that comment by saying she was referring to the way the country was handling its political processes.

But feel free to take one sentence and misconstrue it.

OCUDad
2/22/2008, 02:14 PM
I guess at this point his chances are as realistic as McCain's. Will it happen? Who knows.

Comments from his wife like this won't help him gain my vote.



I mean seriously, has the US been hopeless the previous 200 plus years? Her comments wreak of arrogance and frankly irritate the crap out of me. America is "this" close to having a man of color gaining a presidential nomination for one of the major political parties and there's hope? Pulease.This criticism sounds a bit harsh. I'm not a big Obama fan, but in the interests of fairness, she DID qualify her comments with the "first time in my adult life" phrase. Unless she's a lot older than I think she is, that doesn't quite cover 200 years. :)

I imagine there are more substantive areas for valid criticism of the Obama campaign than this one.

sooner_born_1960
2/22/2008, 02:15 PM
I think she clarified that comment by saying she was referring to the way the country was handling its political processes.

But feel free to take one sentence and misconstrue it.
Just because she "clarified" her remark after consulting with advisors, doesn't mean Bob misconstrued her original remarks.

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 02:19 PM
Just because she "clarified" her remark after consulting with advisors, doesn't mean Bob misconstrued her original remarks.

Just because she misspoke doesn't mean she's an American hating terrorist.

Mixer!
2/22/2008, 02:19 PM
My head hurts again.

Sooner_Bob
2/22/2008, 02:20 PM
I think she clarified that comment by saying she was referring to the way the country was handling its political processes.

But feel free to take one sentence and misconstrue it.

Whatever. She makes one comment (probably knowing exactly how it would be taken and the publicity it would generate) only to have her hubby come to the rescue and "clarify" things.


Obama defended his wife on Texas radio. "What she meant was, this is the first time that she's been proud of the politics of America," he said. "She has seen large numbers of people get involved in the process, and she's encouraged."

If that's what she meant, then she should've frickin' said it. Even if that is what she meant, it's a load of crap. People all over the country have gotten more involved in politics during election years. What's so new about that?

Sooner_Bob
2/22/2008, 02:21 PM
Just because she misspoke doesn't mean she's an American hating terrorist.

Now who's doing the misconstruing. :rolleyes:

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 02:22 PM
Now who's doing the misconstruing. :rolleyes:

Heh.

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 02:26 PM
Whatever. She makes one comment (probably knowing exactly how it would be taken and the publicity it would generate) only to have her hubby come to the rescue and "clarify" things.



If that's what she meant, then she should've frickin' said it. Even if that is what she meant, it's a load of crap. People all over the country have gotten more involved in politics during election years. What's so new about that?

I would imagine that her not being as polished a public speaker as her husband that the occasional slip up on her part is not out of the question. But let's paint the whole situation as a carefully executed effort on her part to trash America instead. Because that would help get her husband elected.

bri
2/22/2008, 02:28 PM
This is why letting wives out of the kitchen and behind the podium is a bad idea.

Sooner_Bob
2/22/2008, 02:33 PM
I would imagine that her not being as polished a public speaker as her husband that the occasional slip up on her part is not out of the question. But let's paint the whole situation as a carefully executed effort on her part to trash America instead. Because that would help get her husband elected.

Then she should stay home and watch Oprah.

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 02:53 PM
The only way that he DOESN'T become President, is if people decide in the voting booth that they're just not ready for an African American to become President.

Personally, I'd be shocked if he didn't destroy McCain come election time.
Both of these points are just goofy.

He has a record that works in the,
-"yall don't pay enough taxes,"
-"you need the government to run your life,"
-"punish the rich,"
-"gay, lesbian, transgender" party.

So his record hasn't been examined yet. That stuff doesn't sell very well nationally. It doesn't have anything to do with his color.

C&CDean
2/22/2008, 03:09 PM
This is why letting wives out of the kitchen and behind the podium is a bad idea.

Well.......yeah. DOH.

MamaMia
2/22/2008, 03:11 PM
This is why letting wives out of the kitchen and behind the podium is a bad idea. The woman I know could run our whole country and a few others from the kitchen better than the men have been doing.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 03:12 PM
The only way that he DOESN'T become President, is if people decide in the voting booth that they're just not ready for an African American to become President.

Personally, I'd be shocked if he didn't destroy McCain come election time.

I don't know how we're gonna set it up, but I'll bet you everything that I have that come election day you're gonna be shocked.

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 03:13 PM
The woman I know could run our whole country and a few others from the kitchen better than the men have been doing.Big talk.


































;)

C&CDean
2/22/2008, 03:14 PM
The only way that he DOESN'T become President, is if people decide in the voting booth that they're just not ready for an African American to become President.

Personally, I'd be shocked if he didn't destroy McCain come election time.

Wrong. In fact, I've pretty much forgotten about him being black. I'm old and wise enough to not vote for somebody who is completely without substance - but talks a big game and has all the mindless drones salivating for every drop of his empty rhetoric. That's why I wouldn't vote for him. Although the whole muslim connection is enough to scare me off too. Don't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Sooner_Bob
2/22/2008, 03:15 PM
The woman I know could run our whole country and a few others from the kitchen better than the men have been doing.


I know a lot of women who are great cooks . . . if they read the recipe correctly.























:D <ducking>

Whet
2/22/2008, 03:15 PM
It was Berry's PR person that put together the "what she meant was" statement, which Berry then began repeating. This was covered a couple of days ago.....

Whet
2/22/2008, 03:17 PM
Plus, Berry doesn't allow the media to interview his grandmother that raised him..... Why?

Sooner_Bob
2/22/2008, 03:17 PM
Plus, Berry doesn't allow the media to interview his grandmother that raised him..... Why?

He doesn't?

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 03:18 PM
Plus, Berry doesn't allow the media to interview his grandmother that raised him..... Why?She's a cracker.

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 03:19 PM
Wrong. In fact, I've pretty much forgotten about him being black. I'm old and wise enough to not vote for somebody who is completely without substance - but talks a big game and has all the mindless drones salivating for every drop of his empty rhetoric. That's why I wouldn't vote for him. Although the whole muslim connection is enough to scare me off too. Don't trust him as far as I could throw him.There is a non liberal Mod?













*ducking*

soonerscuba
2/22/2008, 03:19 PM
Both of these points are just goofy.

He has a record that works in the,
-"yall don't pay enough taxes,"
-"you need the government to run your life,"
-"punish the rich,"
-"gay, lesbian, transgender" party.

So his record hasn't been examined yet. That stuff doesn't sell very well nationally. It doesn't have anything to do with his color.

What is it called again? Hay-boy, Feed-Fellow, Thatch-Male... I can never remember, maybe Mike Rich can help me out.

C&CDean
2/22/2008, 03:25 PM
There is a non liberal Mod?

Just call me the anti-Mike Rich. Politically speaking of course.

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 03:29 PM
Plus, Berry doesn't allow the media to interview his grandmother that raised him..... Why?

Because she's the liaison with Osama bin Laden. She's the one who monitors his actions and reports back to Al Qaida with his progress. When the time comes to activate Al Qaida's "Trojan Horse" she's the one with the activation codes that will enable bin Laden to take over his "slave" so he can have all the nukes in our arsenal rerouted to hit major U.S. cities and launched. Duh.

leavingthezoo
2/22/2008, 03:37 PM
He doesn't?

Not exactly. She declines to be interviewed because of her health... according to a liberal rag who is probably lying about it all and sending money to the the muslim terrorists that Obama is secretly one of while also being a racist christian. It's very complicated being Obama. Even more difficult now that he keeps Grandma locked in the basement for being white. :D

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 03:49 PM
Not exactly. She declines to be interviewed because of her health... according to a liberal rag who is probably lying about it all and sending money to the the muslim terrorists that Obama is secretly one of while also being a racist christian. It's very complicated being Obama. Even more difficult now that he keeps Grandma locked in the basement for being white. :D

Here's the picture. They call her "The Gatekeeper". She's got the secret codes necessary to trigger the demise of western civilization.

http://olbroad.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/28585928.jpg

bri
2/22/2008, 03:56 PM
Hussein is rocking the SWEET Bryant Gumbel baby 'fro in that pic. He should totally grow that thing back.

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 04:00 PM
They're saving his whiteness for the general. It would dent his street cred in the Democratic primary. ;)

OU4LIFE
2/22/2008, 04:14 PM
Wrong. In fact, I've pretty much forgotten about him being black. I'm old and wise enough to not vote for somebody who is completely without substance - but talks a big game and has all the mindless drones salivating for every drop of his empty rhetoric. That's why I wouldn't vote for him. Although the whole muslim connection is enough to scare me off too. Don't trust him as far as I could throw him.

prepare to be labeled a redneck extremist.

we should hang out.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 04:28 PM
Wrong. In fact, I've pretty much forgotten about him being black. I'm old and wise enough to not vote for somebody who is completely without substance - but talks a big game and has all the mindless drones salivating for every drop of his empty rhetoric. That's why I wouldn't vote for him. Although the whole muslim connection is enough to scare me off too. Don't trust him as far as I could throw him.

What Muslim connection?

Seriously. What Muslim connection? The guy was raised an atheist. He's a member of a Christian church. He happened to attend a Muslim parochial school for a time when he was living in a country that's 90% Muslim.

I mean, it's fine that you don't like the guy, but a muslim connection?

Jeez, might as well not vote for John McCain because of his Ho Chih Minh connection.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 04:33 PM
that's exactly why he's not getting my vote - getting captured ain't no virtue

MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!!!!!

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 04:34 PM
that's exactly why he's not getting my vote - getting captured ain't no virtue
Staying in captivity for another couple of years when they offered to let you out for PR reason due to his Daddy being an admiral is though. In my mind at least.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 04:35 PM
Sounds like a possible defector to me.

(Tongue firmly in cheek here, by the way. John McCain is a hero.)

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 04:35 PM
I tell you one thing. If this guy goes on a troop tour he will get their vote big time. And their vote might translate to wives and parents.
Over a Vietnam POW, no.

bri
2/22/2008, 04:38 PM
Over a Vietnam POW, no.

In a vacuum, probably not.

In the context of the Vietnam POW being cool with keeping 'em over there for another 100 years, however, perhaps. :D

Civicus_Sooner
2/22/2008, 04:42 PM
In a vacuum, probably not.

In the context of the Vietnam POW being cool with keeping 'em over there for another 100 years, however, perhaps. :D
How long have we been in Japan, Germany, Bosnia, Italy, France, SE Asia? He's just being honest. Barrack knows that's the reality too but is just tryin to get elected.

Scott D
2/22/2008, 04:54 PM
I think the political mindset of this board has no realistic chance of becoming anything other than amusing.

StoopTroup
2/22/2008, 05:11 PM
As the next President...

Who would want the blood on their hands if pulling out of Iraq incorrectly caused a Civil War?

No matter who gets elected...it's gonna be a tough prospect.

If I were George Bush...I'd be concerned about how Obama might write the outcome of how GWB is portrayed in history books.

Leaving to early concerns me as much as staying forever.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 05:54 PM
prepare to be labeled a redneck extremist.

we should hang out.

Me too, me too, pleasssssssssse...:D

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 06:26 PM
I'm probably one of those rednecks you're referring to, and to be honest, I really don't give a sh** anymore. I used to be worried about yall taking away our guns, but I really do believe that Heller vs. D.C. will take care of that. Moreover, whatever damage you guys do between 08 and 12 will not be our fault.

You guys sure are going to get a lot of good Iraqis killed when you pull the rug out from Iraq.

hey, jerk. you say that like im a democrat. i am a conservative independant.

i like guns. and the death penalty. also agree with abortion. and im an atheist.

SouthFortySooner
2/22/2008, 07:03 PM
He happened to attend a Muslim parochial school for a time

When Pharoah's daughter pulled Moses from the river his sister Miriam directed her to his own mother to nurture, "for a time". When ice cuttin time came, the 35 years he spent in Pharoah's care went out the window.

Jerk
2/22/2008, 07:04 PM
hey, jerk. you say that like im a democrat. i am a conservative independant.

i like guns. and the death penalty. also agree with abortion. and im an atheist.
You sound like a libertarian to me, more than conservative. I find myself to be libertarian on most issues, except certain abortions. I can see both sides of the 'rape or incest' argument, but the partial birth thing is an abomination.

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 07:13 PM
You sound like a libertarian to me, more than conservative. I find myself to be libertarian on most issues, except certain abortions. I can see both sides of the 'rape or incest' argument, but the partial birth thing is an abomination.


i dont believe in god, so i dont care. i think until about week 5 or 6, that lump of coal in her womb is fair game.

i dont know if i am a libertarian. ive heard of people accusing me of being one. i dont really align myself with anything .i say independant because i dont choose anything else. if i could accurately describe how i fit in around things id say that i choose none of the above, but im conservative.

Jerk
2/22/2008, 07:21 PM
i dont believe in god, so i dont care. i think until about week 5 or 6, that lump of coal in her womb is fair game.

i dont know if i am a libertarian. ive heard of people accusing me of being one. i dont really align myself with anything .i say independant because i dont choose anything else. if i could accurately describe how i fit in around things id say that i choose none of the above, but im conservative.
You're a libertarian.

Do you like the government telling you how to live your day to day life?

I thought so.

But you also are suspicious of 'the church' and religion. You don't want 'their' morals forced upon you.

What do you think about the war on drugs? That's what I thought. You're a libertarian.

I believe that the libertarian party would be HUGE if more people knew about what they actually stood for.

Turd_Ferguson
2/22/2008, 07:27 PM
i think until about week 5 or 6, that lump of coal in her womb is fair game.Lovely

bri
2/22/2008, 07:40 PM
When Pharoah's daughter pulled Moses from the river his sister Miriam directed her to his own mother to nurture, "for a time". When ice cuttin time came, the 35 years he spent in Pharoah's care went out the window.

In what way is this supposed to reflect on Barack Obama's choice to, you know, be a Christian?

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 07:52 PM
When Pharoah's daughter pulled Moses from the river his sister Miriam directed her to his own mother to nurture, "for a time". When ice cuttin time came, the 35 years he spent in Pharoah's care went out the window.

I'm not actually sure what you're trying to say here. Are you trying to say Barack Obama is Jewish?

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 08:02 PM
Maybe he's a Jewish-Muslim.

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 08:02 PM
You're a libertarian.

Do you like the government telling you how to live your day to day life?

I thought so.

But you also are suspicious of 'the church' and religion. You don't want 'their' morals forced upon you.

What do you think about the war on drugs? That's what I thought. You're a libertarian.

I believe that the libertarian party would be HUGE if more people knew about what they actually stood for.

just because a group of people who share my feelings on a set number of things got together and called themselves libertarians doesnt mean i am one. i wont say im opposed to them. ive looked into it. theyre a grand cross between the two major parties here. i think americans are at a huge loss by having just two parties from which to choose. but alas, libertarians are often looked at as hippies with guns.

i wouldnt say i am weary of the church and religion. i think none of it is real. its as wrong to me as a christian not wanting to be given rules by a satanist.

SouthFortySooner
2/22/2008, 08:12 PM
In what way is this supposed to reflect on Barack Obama's choice to, you know, be a Christian?

Although Moses spent the greater portion of his young life in Pharoah's court when he had to make a choice he reverted back to the teaching he received as a child when pressure came to bear. Its enough in light of Obama's actions toward the flag and bible he is still very aware of that young influence. I guess I could have used, my grandfather was a redneck and even though I spent time in Norman OK, ... I'm still a redneck.

bri
2/22/2008, 08:15 PM
What actions toward the Bible? The action of being sworn into the Senate on a Bible?

Gah.

SouthFortySooner
2/22/2008, 08:23 PM
What actions toward the Bible? The action of being sworn into the Senate on a Bible?

Gah.

I'm more concerned with what actions he would take as the bombs go off.
However slight you feel his muslim connection is, it is voluminous to me. And I'll vote accordingly.

bri
2/22/2008, 08:27 PM
I'm more concerned with what actions he would take as the bombs go off.
However slight you feel his muslim connection is, it is voluminous to me. And I'll vote accordingly.

Nothing like using scare tactics and fearmongering once your "point" has been refuted to let people know that you're not a borderline racist, reactionary crackpot. No sir, not in the least.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 08:31 PM
So to be concerned about what actions Obama might take makes someone a racist, reactionary, crackpot?

bri
2/22/2008, 08:37 PM
Yes, I suppose if you're going to ignore the middle third of my post, then yes. Nice work.

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 08:40 PM
bri youre in istanbul? im going to be visiting in october.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 08:42 PM
I'm more concerned with what actions he would take as the bombs go off.


Yeah, he could do something totally useful.

Like hold a copy of a childrens' book in his hands while gaping uncomprehendingly for several minutes.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 08:42 PM
Yes, I suppose if you're going to ignore the middle third of my post, then yes. Nice work.

If you refuted his point I got no problem with that at all.

I just don't like the all to easy tagging of someone with the racist, and other hot-button terms, because they oppose the minority candidate.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 08:43 PM
...and since you're in Istanbul, what is the Hagia Sophia like in person?

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 08:44 PM
you say racist like its a bad thing.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 08:45 PM
If you refuted his point I got no problem with that at all.

I just don't like the all to easy tagging of someone with the racist, and other hot-button terms, because they oppose the minority candidate.

That's not actually what bri said.

Disliking Barack Obama isn't prejudiced.

Disliking Barack Obama because you think he's Muslim is. In fact, it's the definition of prejudiced.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 08:50 PM
That's not actually what bri said.

Disliking Barack Obama isn't prejudiced.

Disliking Barack Obama because you think he's Muslim is. In fact, it's the definition of prejudiced.

I agree that it is the clinical definition of prejudice, but I think taking into account that he may/may not have any Muslim ties whatsover is acceptable when thinking about who to vote for. I think it could in some eventualities be kind of important.

bri
2/22/2008, 08:50 PM
If you refuted his point I got no problem with that at all.

I just don't like the all to easy tagging of someone with the racist, and other hot-button terms, because they oppose the minority candidate.

Neither do I.

But, I'm pretty sure I refuted his "point", inasmuch as there was one. He made some nebulous reference to Obama's "actions toward the Bible," which I can only infer means the oft-repeated claim that he insisted on being sworn in on the Koran. So, when I pointed out that he was, in fact, sworn in on the Bible, he immediately ignored his on claim and went into "he's a Muslim anyway!" mode. Which is just aggravating. It's obvious to me that this individual just sees a brown person with a "Muslim name" who, indeed, went to Muslim kindergarden when he lived in a country that is 90% Muslim (and then went on to receieve equal instruction in all other world religions before choosing Christianity as his faith of choice) and in convinced that he is still a Muslim deep down inside and isn't going to vote for him based on his own fever dream.

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 08:51 PM
That's not actually what bri said.

Disliking Barack Obama isn't prejudiced.

Disliking Barack Obama because you think he's Muslim is. In fact, it's the definition of prejudiced.

what about disliking him for his luscious ears?

Blue
2/22/2008, 08:52 PM
Disliking Barack Obama because you think he's Muslim is. In fact, it's the definition of prejudiced.

What about all the Christian bashing on this forum? Does that make this a prejudiced forum? Probably.

Just a question. You made it sound bad but we've all got some prejudice in one form or another.

OCUDad
2/22/2008, 08:53 PM
what about disliking him for his luscious ears?That's just ghey.

NTTAWWT

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 08:55 PM
Neither do I.

But, I'm pretty sure I refuted his "point", inasmuch as there was one. He made some nebulous reference to Obama's "actions toward the Bible," which I can only infer means the oft-repeated claim that he insisted on being sworn in on the Koran. So, when I pointed out that he was, in fact, sworn in on the Bible, he immediately ignored his on claim and went into "he's a Muslim anyway!" mode. Which is just aggravating. It's obvious to me that this individual just sees a brown person with a "Muslim name" who, indeed, went to Muslim kindergarden when he lived in a country that is 90% Muslim (and then went on to receieve equal instruction in all other world religions before choosing Christianity as his faith of choice) and in convinced that he is still a Muslim deep down inside and isn't going to vote for him based on his own fever dream.

OK, I see what you're saying. I still think it's OK for him to vote against Obama for whatever reason he wants to use: the color of his skin, his name, or whatever else.

Voting is a very individual thing, and whatever criteria people want to use is up to them. It might not be right in other's eyes, but that's why we get to vote in secret...or at least one of the reasons I guess.

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 08:59 PM
What about all the Christian bashing on this forum? Does that make this a prejudiced forum? Probably.

Just a question. You made it sound bad but we've all got some prejudice in one form or another.


prejudism makes the world go 'round.

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 09:02 PM
OK, I see what you're saying. I still think it's OK for him to vote agaisnt Obama for whatever reason he wants to use: the color of his skin, his name, or whatever else.

Voting is a very individual thing, and whatever criteria people want to use is up to them. It might not be right in other's eyes, but that's why we get to vote in secret...or at least one of the reasons I guess.

thats why voting was reserved for only land owners in the beginning. usually means you have sense. voting against someone on any basis other than his politics is nonsense. that doesnt mean that his religion doesnt affect his politics. id vote against a muslim if he wanted to outlaw all the fun stuff like drinking, gambling, adultry, prostitution, and porn.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 09:02 PM
prejudism makes the world go 'round.

Yeah, so lets talk bad about the Germans now. ;)

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 09:04 PM
Yeah, so lets talk bad about the Germans now. ;)


what about them? the germans are awesome.

Blue
2/22/2008, 09:04 PM
voting against someone on any basis other than his politics is nonsense.

I'm prejudice against idiotic statements.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 09:05 PM
thats why voting was reserved for only land owners in the beginning. usually means you have sense. voting against someone on any basis other than his politics is nonsense. that doesnt mean that his religion doesnt affect his politics. id vote against a muslim if he wanted to outlaw all the fun stuff like drinking, gambling, adultry, prostitution, and porn.

...and there you go.

Not that I think Obama's a Muslim, or that he even likes any Muslims, but if someone else is concerned about that then they should be able to have that concern without being attacked for it.

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 09:07 PM
what about them? the germans are awesome.

Yeah that Claudia Schiffer chick is pretty awesome. :D

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 09:09 PM
What about all the Christian bashing on this forum? Does that make this a prejudiced forum? Probably.

Just a question. You made it sound bad but we've all got some prejudice in one form or another.

I don't recall ever voting against someone specifically because I thought they were a Christian or being concerned that their radical ideas about turning the other cheek would leave us open to attack.

Blue
2/22/2008, 09:12 PM
I don't recall ever voting against someone specifically because I thought they were a Christian or being concerned that their radical ideas about turning the other cheek would leave us open to attack.

Now that's not entirely truthful is it? ;) C'mon. You never told yourself, "I wouldn't vote for some loon who believes in fairy tails that will be ok w/ bringing on armageddon bc its in the Bible?"

bri
2/22/2008, 09:15 PM
Now that's not entirely truthful is it? ;) C'mon. You never told yourself, "I wouldn't vote for some loon who believes in fairy tails that will be ok w/ bringing on armageddon bc its in the Bible?"

Insert "Dubya" joke here. :D

Curly Bill
2/22/2008, 09:17 PM
Insert "Dubya" joke here. :D

:D

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 09:27 PM
Now that's not entirely truthful is it? ;) C'mon. You never told yourself, "I wouldn't vote for some loon who believes in fairy tails that will be ok w/ bringing on armageddon bc its in the Bible?"

OK, fair enough. If I honestly believed that somoneone running for office believed that, I probably wouldn't vote for him. ;)

Of course, I'd probably phrase it as "That dude's a loon" not "That dude's a Christian."

The Christian-bashing is a bonus-like the peanut butter inside the chocolate.

But the point is that I don't think that all Christians believe stuff like that-in fact, I don't even think a majority do. Just like I don't think that all Muslims, much less all people who happened to attend a Muslim school, believe in violent Jihad against America.

Seriously, you think there's widespread Christian-bashing around here? I mean, shoot, I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of posters on here are Christians of one type or another.

shaun4411
2/22/2008, 09:36 PM
Yeah that Claudia Schiffer chick is pretty awesome. :D

schiffer means boat operator. :D

Blue
2/22/2008, 09:40 PM
Nah, I was just trying to make a point. I don't care if someone hates religion, is an atheist, whatever. I don't care if they bash it on a public forum.(edit: That's not true, it bugs me, but they have their right.) It's their prerogative. It's just hard to bash back without breaking rules. For me atleast. :D

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 09:44 PM
Nah, I was just trying to make a point. I don't care if someone hates religion, is an atheist, whatever. I don't care if they bash it on a public forum. It's their perogative. It's just hard to bash back without breaking rules. For me atleast. :D

Well, if I've come across as bashing Christianity I apologize. I know that I've stated my admiration for the religion before, but I'm sure I've taken some potshots as well.

For all of my admiration for things that Christians have accomplished and how beautiful the faith can be, I just don't believe. I still hate it when people pervert Christianity into hate-and maybe sometimes I don't do a good job of separating people who claim to be Christians from true believers.

Blue
2/22/2008, 09:49 PM
True Believer= Very Imperfect guy or gal w/ a good heart. Not necessarily nice, but good. Who believe Christ died for them.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 09:54 PM
True Believer= Very Imperfect guy or gal w/ a good heart. Not necessarily nice, but good.

I agree with that. Heck, the entire religion of Christianity is built around the idea of only one person ever being perfect. Of course, it doesn't mean that you can stop trying.

That's one of the appealing things. Perfection is a goal that should be striven for but can never be attained. Kinda Zen.

I think most of the Christians-and by most I mean "90%+" are people with good hearts. Then again, I think 90%+ of all people I meet have good hearts.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 09:57 PM
And to answer the original question:

Yes, he does. In fact, most polling data shows him as the current front-runner. I don't know that that means he WILL win, but unless something comes along that puts a dent in his numbers he's definitely got a great shot.

If Nader decides to run, then I think Obama has a problem.

If a chip appears in his teflon, I think he's got a problem. So far, he's managed to have a couple of accusations slide right off. If someone can get something to stick, we'll see. He's been able to explain everything anyone's tried to get to stick-and he's done it in such a way that people have trusted his explanations.

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 10:08 PM
I'm more concerned with what actions he would take as the bombs go off.


What in the world are you talking about? Who's bombing who, what? Niner?

JohnnyMack
2/22/2008, 10:23 PM
Although Moses spent the greater portion of his young life in Pharoah's court when he had to make a choice he reverted back to the teaching he received as a child when pressure came to bear. Its enough in light of Obama's actions toward the flag and bible he is still very aware of that young influence. I guess I could have used, my grandfather was a redneck and even though I spent time in Norman OK, ... I'm still a redneck.

You honestly think that 35 or 40 some odd years ago Barack Obama received training at a Muslim school in Africa that included terrorist training? That he was somehow selected by a super secret Illuminati style sect of still to this day unheard of African Muslim terrorists bent on the destruction of the U.S. of A.? You think that after he takes the oath of office that he'll grab the Bible he was just sworn in on, rip it in half and then grab John Roberts by the throat and throw him off the ledge of the Capitol steps all the while chanting the name of Allah as the secret brigade of Muslim terrorists descend on D.C. in droves of Blackhawks (sold to the terrorists by Cheney of course), laying waste to innocents everywhere?

I mean if you don't want to vote for Obama because you like McCain, that's cool. If you don't want to vote for Obama, because you're afraid he'll raise your taxes and spend all your money that's cool. If you don't want to vote for him because you think he's unqualified to hold the office, that's cool. But to not vote for him because you think he's some sort of Manchurian Candidate who is secretly lying in wait to help bring about the demise of Western Civilization, then you're a retard.

Frozen Sooner
2/22/2008, 10:33 PM
Dude, pay attention. John McCain is the Manchurian Candidate.

And for accuracy's sake, Barack Obama went to the muslim school in Indonesia, which while it's not in the Iraq as such and I don't have a map to benefit the Americas, is not in Africa.

BlondeSoonerGirl
2/22/2008, 10:35 PM
You guys are good US Americans.

leavingthezoo
2/22/2008, 10:36 PM
You think that after he takes the oath of office that he'll grab the Bible he was just sworn in on, rip it in half and then grab John Roberts by the throat and throw him off the ledge of the Capitol steps all the while chanting the name of Allah as the secret brigade of Muslim terrorists descend on D.C. in droves of Blackhawks (sold to the terrorists by Cheney of course), laying waste to innocents everywhere?


of course not. he will slit his throat, you silly boy. haven't you been paying attention!?


and no, i don't think that's a funny quip about throat slitting, but... i'm just trying to keep it accurate because if he's a muslim terrorist, that's just the way it will go down. :rolleyes:

bri
2/22/2008, 10:46 PM
Dude, pay attention. John McCain is the Manchurian Candidate.

I don't know, JM's senario sounded less like The Manchurian Candidate and more like a classic Vince Russo swerve.

MAH GAWD! MAH GAWD! HUSSEIN OBAMA HAS BROKEN THE CONSTITUTION IN HALF!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, BAH GAWD! :D

mdklatt
2/22/2008, 10:50 PM
of course not. he will slit his throat, you silly boy. haven't you been paying attention!?


You're thinking of a Turkish assassin. Turks are mostly Muslim, but most Mulims are not Turkish. Obama is not Turkish. He's a half-cracker Muslim terrorist.

Blue
2/22/2008, 10:52 PM
You honestly think that 35 or 40 some odd years ago Barack Obama received training at a Muslim school in Africa that included terrorist training? That he was somehow selected by a super secret Illuminati style sect of still to this day unheard of African Muslim terrorists bent on the destruction of the U.S. of A.? You think that after he takes the oath of office that he'll grab the Bible he was just sworn in on, rip it in half and then grab John Roberts by the throat and throw him off the ledge of the Capitol steps all the while chanting the name of Allah as the secret brigade of Muslim terrorists descend on D.C. in droves of Blackhawks (sold to the terrorists by Cheney of course), laying waste to innocents everywhere?

I mean if you don't want to vote for Obama because you like McCain, that's cool. If you don't want to vote for Obama, because you're afraid he'll raise your taxes and spend all your money that's cool. If you don't want to vote for him because you think he's unqualified to hold the office, that's cool. But to not vote for him because you think he's some sort of Manchurian Candidate who is secretly lying in wait to help bring about the demise of Western Civilization, then you're a retard.

Well said. I wish my mom would stop carrying on about this crap. I keep saying, "Do you know what the chances are of that?" Her: "Muslim blah blah blah!" I love you mom. :D

He's liberal as all shiite and I disagree w/ some of his ideas, but the man is a charismatic leader when the country is desperate for one.

I might just pull a Constanza and vote the "Opposite" of my initial reaction. Couldn't hurt.

POTATO SALAD, OBAMA ON TOAST, and a SWEET TEA! HaHa!

Vaevictis
2/22/2008, 11:02 PM
You're thinking of a Turkish assassin. Turks are mostly Muslim, but most Mulims are not Turkish. Obama is not Turkish. He's a half-cracker Muslim terrorist.

Don't forget about the part where he apparently attends a racist Christian church.

WILBURJIM
2/22/2008, 11:44 PM
And for accuracy's sake, Barack Obama went to the muslim school in Indonesia, which while it's not in the Iraq as such and I don't have a map to benefit the Americas, is not in Africa.

To be more accurate, Obama, first went to school at St Francis of Assisi Catholic school while in Indonesia. After a few years there, he then went to an Indonesian Public school. So, he never did go to a "muslim school," otherwise know as a Madrassah. He was listed as a muslim at both schools but, all the info I've read says he went to mosque on an irregular basis.

Anyhow, even with his not so devout islamic upbringing, with his practicing Christianity now, this makes him a murtadd, and according to all the major schools of islamic jurisprudence, a crime with punishment of death. I kinda like the idea of an apostate heading up the free world. It would be a declaration to the muslim world, we have freedom of conscience. Invest in that.

Frozen Sooner
2/23/2008, 12:02 AM
To be more accurate, Obama, first went to school at St Francis of Assisi Catholic school while in Indonesia. After a few years there, he then went to an Indonesian Public school. So, he never did go to a "muslim school," otherwise know as a Madrassah. He was listed as a muslim at both schools but, all the info I've read says he went to mosque on an irregular basis.

Anyhow, even with his not so devout islamic upbringing, with his practicing Christianity now, this makes him a murtadd, and according to all the major schools of islamic jurisprudence, a crime with punishment of death. I kinda like the idea of an apostate heading up the free world. It would be a declaration to the muslim world, we have freedom of conscience. Invest in that.


Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools...

You know, I think you're right. For some reason, when I read that the other day I remembered that as him saying he had attended a parochial school that was Muslim. Not a Madrassah, but more the equivalent of a Catholic school here in the US.

Soonerus
2/23/2008, 12:05 AM
I do not see him as being electable...

Blue
2/23/2008, 12:16 AM
Well McCain aint exactly flaming the fire.

If he beats Hillary I think he pulls it off. I still think the Devil will beat him in Tx,Oh, and Penn. though.

Soonerus
2/23/2008, 12:21 AM
Well McCain aint exactly flaming the fire.

If he beats Hillary I think he pulls it off. I still think the Devil will beat him in Tx,Oh, and Penn. though.

I think she will too, I think the republicans want Hillary as the opponent, although they don't worry about Hussein...

texas bandman
2/23/2008, 12:39 AM
I think Obama has a chance in Texas. He has more money in the coffers than HRC and is saturating the airwaves with populist commercials that will play well down here. Hillary doesn't have as much money and is airing fewer commercials. I think the momentum of Obama will swamp her campaign here.

Soonerus
2/23/2008, 12:42 AM
I think Obama has a chance in Texas. He has more money in the coffers than HRC and is saturating the airwaves with populist commercials that will play well down here. Hillary doesn't have as much money and is airing fewer commercials. I think the momentum of Obama will swamp her campaign here.

Actually Hillary has more money on hand now than Obama....

Frozen Sooner
2/23/2008, 03:13 AM
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Scott D
2/23/2008, 10:17 AM
Actually Hillary has more money on hand now than Obama....

that would be a relief I guess at this point. It means when she doesn't become president she'll be the first one in line for lobbyist kickbacks since she'll be flat broke.

bri
2/23/2008, 10:39 AM
I do not see him as being electable...

Really? Gosh, we had no idea! Thank you for this shocking new bit of previously unheard information!

Go sit in the corner, Waldo. The grown-ups are talking.

SouthFortySooner
2/23/2008, 12:35 PM
Good Morning! I've had another "fever dream" but thats understandable since I could possibly be retarded. It was some comparison to Jesse Jackson being a politician who never held office, a preacher who never held a church and obamma being a congressman who never submitted any legislation. Don't be afraid peoful.

Frozen Sooner
2/23/2008, 12:43 PM
Sweet. More untrue smears!

Barack Obama has actually sponsored 129 bills since being elected to the Senate. He has co-sponsored 525 bills since being elected to the Senate.