Do you think Obama has a realistic chance of becoming President ??

[bri]

Can we change his user title to "Uninformed Clownshoes"?

[SouthFortySooner]

I guess I can't trust those lying Republican Congressmen talking heads for information. I'll just have to get my information from my beloved soonerfans.com peoful. Which is much more entertaining. :D

[Frozen Sooner]

Don't know what to tell you. It took me all of about 20 seconds on Google to get the accurate information.

[SouthFortySooner]

Can we change his user title to "Uninformed Clownshoes"?

I've paid my subscription and no you can't.

[SouthFortySooner]

Don't know what to tell you. It took me all of about 20 seconds on Google to get the accurate information.

I think the difference is sponsored and introduced.

[Whet]

Here are some of Berry's "sponsored" bills in the Senate, highly noteworthy: (check the last on on the list)
If you want to see all of his "important" contributions, as a U.S. Senator, go to THOMAS (http://thomas.loc.gov/)



1. S.CON.RES.5 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:1:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/31/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:1:./temp/~bdJOxr:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (5)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 1/31/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.


2. S.CON.RES.25 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:2:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/29/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:2:./temp/~bdJOxr:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (7)
Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
Latest Major Action: 6/26/2007 Held at the desk.

3. S.CON.RES.44 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:3:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 9/12/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:3:./temp/~bdJOxr:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (22)
Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Latest Major Action: 10/19/2007 Referred to Senate subcommittee. Status: Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs referred to Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security.

4. S.CON.RES.46 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:4:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 9/17/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 9/17/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

5. S.RES.133 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:5:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/28/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:5:./temp/~bdJOxr:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (4)
Latest Major Action: 3/28/2007 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Submitted in the Senate, considered, and agreed to without amendment and with a preamble by Unanimous Consent.

6. S.RES.268 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:6:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 7/11/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:6:./temp/~bdJOxr:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (4)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 7/13/2007 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Resolution agreed to in Senate without amendment and with a preamble by Unanimous Consent.

7. S.RES.383 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:7:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 11/15/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:7:./temp/~bdJOxr:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (2)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 11/15/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
8. S.J.RES.23 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:8:./temp/~bdJOxr::|/bss/d110query.html|): A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 11/1/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
Latest Major Action: 11/1/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.


Nice! A lot of substance to those bills!

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah, that's certainly a complete list. :rolleyes:

Whet apparently thinks 129=8. Also not a complete list, but at least it's not cherry-picked to promote an agenda. This is the list of most recent bills that Barack Obama has introduced to the Senate. No editing, just a c&p.

Status Bill
Introduced
Dec 19, 2007
S. 2519: Contracting and Tax Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Dec 7, 2007
S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007
Introduced
Dec 6, 2007
S. 2428: National STEM Scholarship Database Act
Introduced
Nov 16, 2007
S. 2392: National STEM Scholarship Database Act
Introduced
Nov 13, 2007
S. 2347: Prevention Through Affordable Access Act
Introduced
Nov 8, 2007
S. 2330: Veterans Homelessness Prevention Act
Introduced
Oct 24, 2007
S. 2227: Success in the Middle Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 24, 2007
S. 2224: Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 18, 2007
S. 2202: Renewable Fuel Standard Extension Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 4, 2007
S. 2147: Security Contractor Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 3, 2007
S. 2132: A bill to prohibit the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of children's products that contain lead, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Sep 27, 2007
S. 2111: Positive Behavior for Effective Schools Act
Introduced
Sep 18, 2007
S. 2066: Back to School: Improving Standards for Nutrition and Physical Education in Schools Act of 2007
Introduced
Sep 12, 2007
S. 2044: Independent Contractor Proper Classification Act of 2007
Introduced
Sep 6, 2007
S. 2030: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists.
Introduced
Aug 3, 2007
S. 1989: Pigford Claims Remedy Act of 2007
Introduced
Aug 2, 2007
S. 1977: Nuclear Weapons Threat Reduction Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 26, 2007
S. 1885: Military Family Job Protection Act
Introduced
Jul 25, 2007
S. 1873: Improving Emergency Medical Care and Response Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007
S. 1824: Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007
S. 1818: Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007
S. 1817: A bill to ensure proper administration of the discharge of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Jul 18, 2007
S. 1811: Lead Poisoning Reduction Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 16, 2007
S. 1790: Communities of Color Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act of 2007
Introduced
Jun 27, 2007
S. 1713: A bill to provide for the issuance of a commemorative postage stamp in honor of Rosa Parks.
Introduced
Jun 7, 2007
S. 1574: Teaching Residency Act
Introduced
May 24, 2007
S. 1513: Predominantly Black Institution Act of 2007
Introduced
May 17, 2007
S. 1430: Iran Sanctions Enabling Act
Introduced
May 14, 2007
S. 1389: Climate Change Education Act
Introduced
May 7, 2007
S. 1324: National Low-Carbon Fuel Standard Act of 2007
Introduced
May 3, 2007
S. 1306: Lead Free Toys Act of 2007
Introduced
May 2, 2007
S. 1271: Homecoming Enhancement Research and Oversight (HERO) Act
Introduced
Apr 25, 2007
S. 1222: STOP FRAUD Act
Introduced
Apr 20, 2007
S. 1181: Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act
Introduced
Apr 18, 2007
S. 1151: Health Care for Hybrids Act
Introduced
Apr 10, 2007
S. 1084: Homes for Heroes Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 29, 2007
S. 1068: Healthy Communities Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 29, 2007
S. 1067: Healthy Places Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 23, 2007
S. 976: Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 15, 2007
S. 906: Mercury Market Minimization Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 8, 2007
S. 823: Microbicide Development Act
Introduced
Mar 7, 2007
S. 795: Citizenship Promotion Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 6, 2007
S. 768: Fuel Economy Reform Act
Introduced
Mar 6, 2007
S. 767: Fuel Economy Reform Act
Introduced
Mar 1, 2007
S. 737: Voter Advocate and Democracy Index Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 28, 2007
S. 713: Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 27, 2007
S. 692: VA Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 16, 2007
S. 674: Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Oct 4, 2007
S. 453: Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 30, 2007
S. 433: Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 133: American Fuels Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 117: Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 116: STEP UP ACT OF 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 115: Oil SENSE Act
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 114: Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act

[Frozen Sooner]

I think the difference is sponsored and introduced.

Maybe I'm just misinformed, but I was under the impression that the sponsoring legislator was the one who introduced the bill.

[soonerscuba]

Here are some of Berry's "sponsored" bills in the Senate, highly noteworthy: (check the last on on the list)
If you want to see all of his "important" contributions, as a U.S. Senator, go to THOMAS (http://thomas.loc.gov/)



Nice! A lot of substance to those bills!

How do those cherries taste?

[Whet]

Yeah, that's certainly a complete list. :rolleyes:

Whet apparently thinks 129=8

I just copied the first 8 from the list, I did not want to post all of this important legislative actions, that is why I provided the link to allow others to look at his complete list.

Now, if you want me to post the entire list of Berry's sponsored bills, just let me know and I will do so!

You can get an actual list of his "accomplishments" by going to the link, rather than relying on Daily Kos, MoveOn.org, or other fine sites....

[SouthFortySooner]

Maybe I'm just misinformed, but I was under the impression that the sponsoring legislator was the one who introduced the bill.

Again, I'm just repeating what a Republican Congressman said last evening. I should just revert back to surface criticism because I didn't pay that much attenion is 7th grade civics class. Sorry for the interuption, carry on with the educated banter. I love it. :D

[Whet]

Plus, I would recommend anyone interested, read the bills or amendments Berry submitted. You can do so by going to the Thomas link I provided earlier. Sometimes, what sound great as a title to a piece of legislation, is not so, when you read the bill.....

[Frozen Sooner]

I just copied the first 8 from the list, I did not want to post all of this important legislative actions, that is why I provided the link to allow others to look at his complete list.

Now, if you want me to post the entire list of Berry's sponsored bills, just let me know and I will do so!

You can get an actual list of his "accomplishments" by going to the link, rather than relying on Daily Kos, MoveOn.org, or other fine sites....

It's tough when people challenge your lies and misrepresentation, isn't it?

It's always funny to watch the dissemination from Central Smear Democrat headquarters-all of you right-wing blog mavens just eat it all up and repeat it ad nauseam hoping that something will stick and that people won't actually check the record.

[Turd_Ferguson]

It's even funnier to see a liberal get his panties in a bunch:D

[Frozen Sooner]

It's even funnier to see a liberal get his panties in a bunch:D

I always get a chuckle when a conservative chokes on his own dildo.

[SouthFortySooner]

It's tough when people challenge your lies and misrepresentation, isn't it?

It's always funny to watch the dissemination from Central Smear Democrat headquarters-all of you right-wing blog mavens just eat it all up and repeat it ad nauseam hoping that something will stick and that people won't actually check the record.

What makes this country great is we could always tune into the Central Smear Republican headquarters of the left-wing blog mavens and get the real dope. :D

[SanJoaquinSooner]

the most important issue to me is trade/globalization. I would hate for our great country to turn protectionist.

Here is what Obama wrote, before primary season:


We can try to slow globalization, but we can't stop it. The U.S. economy is now so integrated with the rest of the world, and digital commerce so widespread, that it's hard to even imagine, much less enforce, an effective regime of protectionism. A tariff on imported steel may give temporary relief to U.S. steel producers, but it will make every U.S. manufacturer that uses steel in its products less competitive on the world market. It's tough to "buy American" when a video game sold by a U.S. company has been developed by Japanese software engineers and packaged in Mexico. U.S. Border Patrol agents can't interdict the services of a call center in India, or stop an electrical engineer in Prague from sending his work via email to a company in Dubuque. When it comes to trade, there are few borders left.

This doesn't mean, however, that we should just throw up our hands and tell workers to fend for themselves. I would make this point to President Bush toward the end of the CAFTA debate, when I and a group of other senators were invited to the White House for discussions. I told the President that I believed in the benefits of trade, and that I had no doubt the White House could squeeze out the votes for this particular agreement. But I said that resistance to CAFTA had less to do with the specifics of the agreement and more to dod with the growing insecurities of the American worker. Unless we found strategies to allay those fears, and sent a a strong signal to American workers that the federal government was on their side, protectionist sentiment would only grow.

The President listened politely and said that he's be interested in hearing my ideas. In the meantime, he said, he hoped he could count on my vote.

He couldn't. I ended up voting against CAFTA, which passed the Senate by a vote of 55 to 45. My vote gave me no satisfaction, but I felt it was the only way to register a protest against what I considered to be the White House's inattention to the losers from free trade. Like Bob Rubin, I am optimistic about the long-term prospects for the U.S. economy and the ability of U.S. workers to compete in a free trade environment - but only if we distribute the costs and benefits of globalization more fairly across the population.

[Frozen Sooner]

What makes this country great is we could always tune into the Central Smear Republican headquarters of the left-wing blog mavens and get the real dope. :D

True, true. Which is why I typically don't trust the blogs.

[Whet]

It's tough when people challenge your lies and misrepresentation, isn't it?

It's always funny to watch the dissemination from Central Smear Democrat headquarters-all of you right-wing blog mavens just eat it all up and repeat it ad nauseam hoping that something will stick and that people won't actually check the record.

Lies, misrepresentation? Please point out anything on that list that is misrepresented or not true....

I think, you must be confused when you speak of lies and misrepresentation, with those of Daily Kos and the convicted felon, George Soros' MoveOn.org sites!

Also, if people are interested, the Chicago Sun Times has several articles about Berry that is good reading. Visit their site and do a search for Berry. BTW, the Sun Times is definitely NOT a right wing rag......

Thank you!

[Whet]

If you noticed, I did not mention that wacko that was making claims about his encounter with Berry.....

[Sooner_Bob]

So wait a minute.

Who choked on a dildo?

[Harry Beanbag]

Introduced
Dec 7, 2007
S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007



This one is my favorite. I haven't read any of the others though, there may some other good ones.

[Harry Beanbag]

So wait a minute.

Who choked on a dildo?


I believe it's just more friendly board political debate hyperbole. I could be wrong though.

[BigRedJed]

Lies, misrepresentation? Please point out anything on that list that is misrepresented or not true....
It's called deliberately shading the truth to fit an agenda. Cherry picking and posting only those bills made it seem that his entire resume is made up of nothing but bills like that, which is obviously NOT the truth. But you knew that. It's using PORTIONS of the truth to create an unspoken lie. It's similar to calling a candidate only by his (typically unused) middle name, because that sounds more threatening/evil than his first name.

And for the record, I'm not voting HRC OR Obama. At this point, it looks like I'll be holding my nose and voting McCain.

But deliberately (and obviously) shading the truth only indicates that someone doesn't feel strongly enough about their postition to let it stand only on the true and complete facts. It shows that they have to exaggerate, spin, twist, or shade the truth in order to advance their opinion. It's weak, and it's designed to prey on the weak-minded. It's insulting and disingenuous to the audience, and makes the assumption that the listeners are idiots, and that the speaker can pull the wool over the their eyes with poorly-constructed half-truths. Unfortunately, all too many listeners are idiots, and they eat it up. It's disgusting, and it's a large part of what's wrong with our overall political process.

Besides, when someone who represents that they are speaking for a movement that I to some extent identify myself with, it cheapens that movement, makes all adherents look bad by extension. It personally makes me really, really irritated.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Make hay while the sun shines.

[Big Red Ron]

My basic formula for the upcoming election is.

Obama vs. McCain = liberal vs. moderate

Obama vs. McCain = dove vs. hawk

Obama vs. McCain = bigger government spending vs. reduced government spending

[Sooner_Bob]

It's called deliberately shading the truth to fit an agenda.

Pfffft. People never do that on here.




And for the record, I'm voting HRC OVER Obama. At this point, it looks like I'll be holding my teddy and taking a nap.

[Whet]

It's called deliberately shading the truth to fit an agenda. Cherry picking and posting only those bills made it seem that his entire resume is made up of nothing but bills like that, which is obviously NOT the truth. But you knew that. It's using PORTIONS of the truth to create an unspoken lie. It's similar to calling a candidate only by his (typically unused) middle name, because that sounds more threatening/evil than his first name.

And for the record, I'm not voting HRC OR Obama. At this point, it looks like I'll be holding my nose and voting McCain.

But deliberately (and obviously) shading the truth only indicates that someone doesn't feel strongly enough about their postition to let it stand only on the true and complete facts. It shows that they have to exaggerate, spin, twist, or shade the truth in order to advance their opinion. It's weak, and it's designed to prey on the weak-minded. It's insulting and disingenuous to the audience, and makes the assumption that the listeners are idiots, and that the speaker can pull the wool over the their eyes with poorly-constructed half-truths. Unfortunately, all too many listeners are idiots, and they eat it up. It's disgusting, and it's a large part of what's wrong with our overall political process.

Besides, when someone who represents that they are speaking for a movement that I to some extent identify myself with, it cheapens that movement, makes all adherents look bad by extension. It personally makes me really, really irritated.

There was no cherry picking, those I listed were the first on the list - you too can do the same search on Thomas and get the SAME list, as I posted. So, after you do this search, please come back and tell me what I cherry picked, or .....

thank you.

[BigRedJed]

Well, considering that search organizes by types of legislation, and the first 8 (your selections) are all resolutions, it's no coincidence that you get a bunch of fluff or items that are merely "statement" issues for a senator. Resolutions are an opportunity for a senator/congressman to bring up an issue important to them or their constituency, but not necessarily one that justifies true legislation.

You stopped at 8, the last of the resolutions, and failed to list a single bill (of which there are many), where the meatier issues are listed. Bills are an attempt at lawmaking, resolutions are an attempt at statement making. But you probably already knew that.

[BigRedJed]

Therefore, how 'bout we grab the first 8 actual BILLS that he sponsored. Like me, you might agree or disagree with some of the issues, but at least they are not a bunch of fluff, which is how you caracterized his entire legislative record by your posts:


9. S.114 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:9:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to authorize resources for a grant program for local educational agencies to create innovation districts.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

10. S.115 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:10:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to suspend royalty relief, to repeal certain provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal certain tax incentives for the oil and gas industry.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

11. S.116 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:11:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to authorize resources to provide students with opportunities for summer learning through summer learning grants.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:11:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (3)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

12. S.117 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:12:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to amend titles 10 and 38, United States Code, to improve benefits and services for members of the Armed Forces, veterans of the Global War on Terrorism, and other veterans, to require reports on the effects of the Global War on Terrorism, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:12:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (15)
Committees: Senate Veterans' Affairs
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

13. S.133 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:13:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to promote the national security and stability of the economy of the United States by reducing the dependence of the United States on oil through the use of alternative fuels and new technology, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:13:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (3)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

14. S.433 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:14:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to state United States policy for Iraq, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/30/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:14:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (3)
Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
Latest Major Action: 1/30/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.

15. S.453 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:15:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/31/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:15:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (20)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Senate Reports: 110-191 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/R?cp110:FLD010:@1(sr191))
Latest Major Action: 10/4/2007 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 411.

16. S.674 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to require accountability and enhanced congressional oversight for personnel performing private security functions under Federal contracts, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 2/16/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (4)
Committees: Senate Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 2/16/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.

[BigRedJed]

Again, there are a number of things there that I am not exactly crazy about the tone of, but at least it's something closer to the whole truth, rather than a shaded truth.

[BigRedJed]

Here are the next 8, for those who are too lazy to click on the link:

17. S.692 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:17:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to establish a Hospital Quality Report Card Initiative to report on health care quality in Veterans Affairs hospitals.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 2/27/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:17:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (1)
Committees: Senate Veterans' Affairs
Latest Major Action: 2/27/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

18. S.713 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:18:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to ensure dignity in care for members of the Armed Forces recovering from injuries.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 2/28/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:18:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (34)
Committees: Senate Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 2/28/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.

19. S.737 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:19:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 in order to measure, compare, and improve the quality of voter access to polls and voter services in the administration of Federal elections in the States.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/1/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:19:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (1)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 3/1/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

20. S.767 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:20:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to increase fuel economy standards for automobiles and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/6/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:20:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (6)
Committees: Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation
Latest Major Action: 3/6/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.

21. S.768 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:21:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to increase fuel economy standards for automobiles and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/6/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:21:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (6)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 3/6/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

22. S.795 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:22:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to assist aliens who have been lawfully admitted in becoming citizens of the United States, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/7/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:22:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (5)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 3/7/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

23. S.823 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:23:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act with respect to facilitating the development of microbicides for preventing transmission of HIV/AIDS and other diseases, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/8/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:23:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (18)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 3/8/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

24. S.906 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:24:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to prohibit the sale, distribution, transfer, and export of elemental mercury, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 3/15/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:24:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (3)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 3/15/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.

[BigRedJed]

To borrow a phrase from someone whom I really, really don't like: I hope the truth isn't too inconvenient for your argument.

[BigRedJed]

Of course, I really DO hope it's inconvenient, so I guess the previous post was a shading of the truth. Or perhaps more accurately, it was sarcasm.

[BigRedJed]

What? No response? I saw you reading my posts.

[StoopTroup]

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/images/2007/05/04/truth.gif

[12]

I'm on Jed's side just because he has Cecil for an avatar.

I gotta change mine.

[BigRedJed]

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[BigRedJed]

You're not going to find any answers there, Whet.

[Howzit]

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Howzit (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/member.php?u=36762)

You're not going to smell any answers there, Jed.

[BigRedJed]

Heh. Well, I guess I'm going out to have a beer or three. I tire of waiting for a response.

[Harry Beanbag]

Therefore, how 'bout we grab the first 8 actual BILLS that he sponsored. Like me, you might agree or disagree with some of the issues, but at least they are not a bunch of fluff, which is how you caracterized his entire legislative record by your posts:


9. S.114 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:9:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to authorize resources for a grant program for local educational agencies to create innovation districts.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

10. S.115 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:10:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to suspend royalty relief, to repeal certain provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal certain tax incentives for the oil and gas industry.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

11. S.116 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:11:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to authorize resources to provide students with opportunities for summer learning through summer learning grants.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:11:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (3)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

12. S.117 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:12:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to amend titles 10 and 38, United States Code, to improve benefits and services for members of the Armed Forces, veterans of the Global War on Terrorism, and other veterans, to require reports on the effects of the Global War on Terrorism, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:12:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (15)
Committees: Senate Veterans' Affairs
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

13. S.133 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:13:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to promote the national security and stability of the economy of the United States by reducing the dependence of the United States on oil through the use of alternative fuels and new technology, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:13:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (3)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

14. S.433 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:14:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to state United States policy for Iraq, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/30/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:14:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (3)
Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
Latest Major Action: 1/30/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.

15. S.453 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:15:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 1/31/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:15:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (20)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Senate Reports: 110-191 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/R?cp110:FLD010:@1(sr191))
Latest Major Action: 10/4/2007 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 411.

16. S.674 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/~bdQ492::|/bss/d110query.html|): A bill to require accountability and enhanced congressional oversight for personnel performing private security functions under Federal contracts, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+0 1763))) [IL] (introduced 2/16/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/~bdQ492:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|) (4)
Committees: Senate Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 2/16/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.


By your own argument, aren't you cherry picking here? I mean you didn't post the entire damn webpage that they came from.

[Whet]

Oh gawd, I was just so overwhelmed with all of your posts, I must have been frozen in primordial fear!

As I wrote earlier when I provided the link, folks should take a look for themselves, do the search, even better, read the actual bills Berry submitted. It is in the bill, where the hand reaches for the money....

After reading the types of bills Berry submitted, if a person still believes Berry is their choice, well, more power to them. The primary issue is with Berry is there is NO indepth coverage of this guy, his past, his previous legislative record, or his previous statements of his beliefs. So far, it has been so - Hollywood.

Plus, there seems to be several folks here that did not go through the Carter years. It is kinda like parents or grandparent going through the Depression and trying to relate that experience to those that had not. Same with Carter/Berry - although, I believe Berry would be much worse for the country.

[Whet]

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Yep - you can see if someone had to suffer through the Carter years...

[Whet]

Heh. Well, I guess I'm going out to have a beer or three. I tire of waiting for a response.

Or, is it a Zima or three? :cool:

Or, a some cold natties

[Whet]

Just though I would throw out this story, as well:




Liberal anti-war group endorses Obama
February 1, 2008
FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS

LOS ANGELES — Barack Obama picked up the endorsement of a leading anti-war group Friday and said Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton still has not adequately explained her vote to go into Iraq. Obama told reporters in a news conference that, even though Clinton explains how she would like to end the war, her explanation for her vote leading into the war is disingenuous. He said his opposition against the war from the start will make him the stronger rival to Republican front-runner and war backer John McCain in the general election.
Obama’s long-standing opposition to the war helped him pick up the backing of MoveOn.org, a liberal network which counts 3.2 million members and decided to support him by a vote of 70 percent to 30 percent for Clinton. The group said Friday that it has 1.7 million members in the 22 states scheduled to vote in the race Tuesday, and it would immediately begin a campaign to get them behind Obama.
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[soonerloyal]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/KevAndLori/PleaseRestartYourComputer.gif





:cool:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Get it while you can. We're in for "CHANGE".

[Sooner_Bob]

This thread took a turn . . .

[Harry Beanbag]

This thread took a turn . . .


Are you still looking for dildoes? :)

[Whet]

http://wkccp.com/file/uploads/1587adea6b.jpg

[Scott D]

Actually I'm pretty sure the entire board gets it Whet. You are upset about Barack Obama rejecting your advances.

And now, your moment of Zen.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r163/sargmon/sharpton.jpg

[Whet]

Now, that is a match made in heaven!

[BigRedJed]

By your own argument, aren't you cherry picking here? I mean you didn't post the entire damn webpage that they came from.
No. He was citing those resolutions as indicative of Obama's overall legislative record. Therefore, his argument was made more powerful by careful omission. He took the first eight items on that list, and posted them. They were lightweight fluff because the search tool on Thomas lists resolutions (lightweight fluff) before it lists bills. Why did he happen to choose only the first eight? Why not ten? Why not twelve? Why not six? Because eight maximized the number of fluff pieces he could list to bolster his argument, without listing any of the meatier items, which would have been inconvenient to it.

Me, I was only trying to illustrate that there was more to his legislative record than what those eight resolutions by themselves would make you think. I was able to do that quite handily by listing the first eight bills. Anything else was overkill, but I went ahead and listed the NEXT eight too, just to further the point.

We were trying to make two very different points. If I listed the whole page, it would further bolster my contention; if he listed the whole page, it would weaken his. That's the point. Lies by omission are still lies.

But I suspect you don't really have a problem with the point I was making, Harry, you only have a problem with the fact that I was trying to make a point.

And Whet, as a matter of fact I did live through the Carter administration. I wasn't of voting age, but I was politically and culturally aware. I am a child of the Reagan era, and volunteered on his '84 campaign. Our politics are actually probably very similar. Our political ethics, however, appear to be very different.

[BigRedJed]

Nitey night.

[sooneron]

Followers of Obama - sheep.

Followers of Dubya - patriots


makes me giggle til I cry.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Followers of Obama - sheep.

Followers of Dubya - patriots


makes me giggle til I cry.Is that because of the "W is stupid" thing?

[sooneron]

Is that because of the "W is stupid" thing?
I guess it could be, but it's more of one side's perception of the "other side". Nice try, thanks for playing. Mmkay!?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I guess it could be, but it's more of one side's perception of the "other side". Nice try, thanks for playing. Mmkay!?Do you think Obama is patriotic, and Bush not so much?

[sooneron]

Do you think Obama is patriotic, and Bush not so much?
Are you this dumb or are you that drunk? I'm not falling for it. Welcome to ignoresville, population: you.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Are you this dumb or are you that drunk? I'm not falling for it. Welcome to ignoresville, population: you.You could tell us why it's wise to follow Obama, or explain his patriotism.

[sooneron]

If you can't figure out what I am saying then you need to go back to booze.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If you can't figure out what I am saying then you need to go back to booze.Sounds like you're saying you respect people who follow Obama, are among those who think W is stupid, and that people shouldn't back him on much of anything.

[Frozen Sooner]

If you can't figure out what I am saying then you need to go back to booze.

I think you were saying that it's ironic that the same people who think that people following Obama are sheep think that following Bush are patriotic.

Right?

[sooneron]

I think you were saying that it's ironic that the same people who think that people following Obama are sheep think that following Bush are patriotic.

Right?
Hammer meet...

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I think you were saying that it's ironic that the same people who think that people following Obama are sheep think that following Bush are patriotic.

Right?Looks like that, and also that there's an equivalence of some kind in following those two, which explains the irony, in Sooneron's opinion.

[Frozen Sooner]

Hammer meet...

Yeah. I can see where you're at. Blindly following anyone is a risky proposition.

Homey made a couple of good points in another thread about the paucity of actual numbers behind Obama's positions. I'd be lying if I said that doesn't concern me a little. Then again, Democratic candidates that DID give detailed numerical breakdowns have gotten trounced of late.

[47straight]

Then again, Democratic candidates that DID give detailed
numerical breakdowns have gotten trounced of late.

Heh.

[SoonerKnight]

NO! He will not win! Watch after August his numbers will drop and the press will turn on him like a piranha!

[colleyvillesooner]

bump. lotta good stuff in here...

[Sooner02]

Yeah. He won.
53%-46%

[stoopified]

NO(ok,I'm still in denial).