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sooner-n-ga
2/13/2008, 09:31 PM
INDIANAPOLIS -- Horse-collar tackles, already banned by the NFL, may be outlawed in college football, too.

That rule change is among those proposed by the NCAA Football Rules Committee. Other suggestions include making chop-block enforcement less complicated and ignoring incidental face-mask contact.

The proposals put forth by the committee during meetings this week now go to the NCAA membership for comment. They must be reviewed and approved by an oversight panel before they can go into effect.

"The committee is giving our game officials more tools to penalize potentially dangerous contact," Rogers Redding, Southeastern Conference coordinator of officials, said Wednesday.

The proposed horse-collar rule would be similar to the NFL's, penalizing a tackle in which a runner is pulled down from the inside collar of the shoulder pads or jersey.

The often-complex rules on chop blocks, or tackling at or below the knees, would be clarified for players and officials, said Redding, who will become rules committee secretary-editor next month.

"It's going to be clearer to everyone what the foul is," he said.

Committee chairman Mike Clark, the coach at Division III Bridgewater, said the rule would lead to more consistent officiating.

"There was a movement to take out below-the waist blocking. I don't think that's applicable to our game," Clark said. "It's too varied and too diverse. But I think we've given the officials the resources to take out a dangerous element of our game, which is the chop block."

The NCAA gave no timetable for adoption of the changes.

Another proposal would eliminate the 5-yard penalty for incidental face-mask contact. Redding said coaches and officials felt no penalty should be assessed if a player grabs and releases the face mask as long as it has no impact on the runner's safety.

"It was a nonentity," he said. "So we felt like the real issue is the grasping, pulling, turning, twisting of the face mask, and that will be retained and still carry a 15-yard penalty. But we felt the incidental contact was nothing, so we just decided to get rid of it."

The committee also proposed starting the game clock on a signal from the referee rather than on the snap of the ball after a runner has gone out of bounds, except in the last two minutes of each half. Another change would adopt a standardized play clock system giving the offensive team 40 seconds to snap the ball, unless play has been stopped by officials for such reasons as change of possession or injury.

"The concern was that from one conference to the next there was enough variation in the length of time a referee took to declare the ball ready for play," Redding said. "So this will hopefully eliminate that and allow for a more consistent time for the ball to be ready to be snapped."

goingoneight
2/13/2008, 09:32 PM
They should outlaw blocking too, someone might get a bruise.

soonerinabilene
2/13/2008, 09:38 PM
Unfortunately for you, sooner-n-ga, they wont be able to penalize roy if someone gets called for one in a college game.

adoniijahsooner
2/13/2008, 09:58 PM
I think this is a good rule; because I can remember AD being tackled like that numerous times, and it always looked awkard and painful; especially the one brian robison from texas.

Curly Bill
2/13/2008, 10:01 PM
Something happening in football that looked "awkward and painful" ? Well, we can't have that can we.

stoops the eternal pimp
2/13/2008, 10:09 PM
He's like the RLIMC of horse collar threads

Curly Bill
2/13/2008, 10:11 PM
He's like the RLIMC of horse collar threads

heh

Breadburner
2/13/2008, 10:11 PM
Tackling......15yds....automatic first down.......

OUmillenium
2/13/2008, 10:20 PM
Hopefully Roy rips their heads off before the rule is passed.

The way to stop this style of tackling is DON'T GET CAUGHT FROM BEHIND LOSER!

OU-HSV
2/13/2008, 10:38 PM
Maybe all levels of football should start going to two touch or flag football methods. This is getting stupid. It's football. If you can't outrun the guy, you deserve to get tackled by him whether its from the back of the jersey or around the ankles.

stoops the eternal pimp
2/13/2008, 11:05 PM
What's your opinion on John McCain horsecollaring zombies?

goingoneight
2/13/2008, 11:06 PM
I declined playing real football after high school so I didn't get hurt and force myself out of work. I'm starting to think I'll make it now.

OU-HSV
2/14/2008, 12:12 AM
What's your opinion on John McCain horsecollaring zombies?
Impossible. Chuck Norris has already cleared all the zombies out

Curly Bill
2/14/2008, 12:16 AM
What's your opinion on John McCain horsecollaring zombies?

I'm ready for McCain to horsecollar him an Obama...

...and remember McCain does have a bit of a temper

...he's what sooner-n-ga might call a thug.

stoops the eternal pimp
2/14/2008, 12:18 AM
What if McCain helped him find a good place to eat..or maybe some Sooner gear to wear?

Rock Hard Corn Frog
2/14/2008, 09:13 AM
He's like the RLIMC of horse collar threads


Word. The ga-sooner has a serious horsecollar fetish.

colleyvillesooner
2/14/2008, 10:11 AM
I do like this new rule...


The incidental five-yard facemask penalty will be eliminated. Only the 15-yard facemask penalties will be called.

Curly Bill
2/14/2008, 10:12 AM
I do like this new rule...

same here

Jimminy Crimson
2/14/2008, 04:25 PM
Dumb. Keep it!

Soonersince57
2/14/2008, 05:23 PM
Maybe they should have a rule about making faces at your opponent. Don't want any feelings hurt either.

Civicus_Sooner
2/14/2008, 05:24 PM
This is stupid.

OUstud
2/14/2008, 05:40 PM
If it wasn't T.O. that broke his ankle on the play, the ban probably wouldn't exist.

BigRedJed
2/14/2008, 05:48 PM
Apparently, sooner-n-ga isn't going to be calling anybody anything.

Somebody pressed the mute button.

supa

stoops the eternal pimp
2/14/2008, 05:51 PM
quoting the Vet "Good jorb."

RedstickSooner
2/14/2008, 06:29 PM
If they really feel that horse collaring should be banned, that's fine. Just stick a handle on the back of the uniform of every player, which'd be legal to grab when you wanted to take 'em down, provided you only grabbed it from behind.

Otherwise, this is just gay. You have to be able to tackle people *somehow*.

BoulderSooner79
2/14/2008, 07:32 PM
Okay, *somebody* has to agree with the rule, so I'll take that job. My concern is officials calling it incorrectly and if they can get it right, i'm all for it. The NFL version allows the tackler to use the collar/jersey to control the player (i.e. pull them closer to get a legal grip). It's only illegal to complete the tackle via the horse-collar. Most horse-collars I see are the legal kind.

I'm also for ditching the 5-yard mask call as that ends up being a bail-out call for the offense in so many cases. The down side is going back to the problems the rule was supposed to solve - a referee with a quick flag imposing a 15 yarder on a face mask touch. I think this can be solved by the refs conferring and being willing to pick-up the flag if another ref has a better view.

OKsooner28
2/14/2008, 08:06 PM
Ya know? Horse-Collar Tackling is the whole reason why Roy Williams was a great Strong Safety. He did that all the time when he played for OU. Now he's havin' to go through all these NFL rules. I feel bad for him. Everyone hates that rule. Just because T.O. gets hurt doesn't mean the NFL has to make a rule that makes sure "T.O." doesn't hurt again. He's not the only one that has gotten hurt before. Players have been doing it for YEARS!!! How come the NFL is just now coming up with that rule?

goingoneight
2/14/2008, 11:13 PM
The only reason this rule ****es me off is because they are being pansies about it all. Yeah, I agree that someone could get hurt, but you know what? When a D-lineman hits a quarterback just a half-second after his release, guess what? Someone could get hurt doing that. And when you see someone blindside a quarterback, it's legal, but also dangerous. How about when a receiver catches a ball and gets blown up because he turns around to see Mr. Lofton? How about the countless times Miami took knee shots on Sam Bradford last year? As mothers of children, people shriek when they see something painful, but eventually you're going to have to outlaw big hits and all kinds of stuff just to make it "safe."

Rock Hard Corn Frog
2/14/2008, 11:45 PM
I think the larger point is that close to 100% of the ga-sooner's post have been about Roy Williams and horsecollars. It is sort of like reading Jack's book in The Shining.

Civicus_Sooner
2/15/2008, 03:42 PM
I think the larger point is that close to 100% of the ga-sooner's post have been about Roy Williams and horsecollars. It is sort of like reading Jack's book in The Shining.
Isn't TO from Georgia?

flopshotjoe99
2/15/2008, 04:09 PM
I do like this new rule...

until it's 3rd & 14 and they call a 15 yarder. You can damn sure bet that there will be a lot more 15 yarders called than ignored, bad rule IMO.

BoulderSooner79
2/15/2008, 10:41 PM
until it's 3rd & 14 and they call a 15 yarder. You can damn sure bet that there will be a lot more 15 yarders called than ignored, bad rule IMO.

Depends on who has the ball, eh? ;) All penalties cut both ways. This infraction is easy to avoid and will benefit teams with superior discipline. In practice, I doubt it will be called much - but you just know it will impact that close, important game and make ESPN highlights. Let's have the superior discipline and be the benefactor.

The better rule change is dropping the 5 yard mask call. A true "inadvertent" touch of the mask is not a matter of discipline and poses almost no injury threat. They get called all the time and ditching this rule should improve the game.

OU-HSV
2/16/2008, 12:37 AM
This is stupid.
agreed

oudivesherpa
2/16/2008, 01:59 PM
How about just "two hands below the belt?" That would make the game less violent.

Flagstaffsooner
2/16/2008, 02:08 PM
How about a rule where the officials call the game right in Oregon and West Texass?

goingoneight
2/18/2008, 11:53 PM
How about just "two hands below the belt?" That would make the game less violent.

Then you might rip someone's jersey... we can't be having that.

WVSooner
2/19/2008, 09:15 PM
Tackling......15yds....automatic first down.......
LOL!!!

effay
2/21/2008, 12:21 AM
When are they going to outlaw tackling altogether? Isn't it about time to stop the violence?

Ash
2/21/2008, 01:00 AM
Hee hee. He said penal.

Animal Mother
2/21/2008, 01:13 PM
I want a guy to play safety for OU that can tackle a horse with a horse collar tackle!!!