Today..two fourth graders

[Soonrboy]

caught in the janitors closet making out. Lights out. They had arranged a time to each ask their teacher if they could go to the library and hooked it up in the closet.
First question out of the girl's mom's mouth was, "Who was it and is he getting suspended too."

The mother of the boy slapped him upside the head and told him she was done with him embarrassing her.

Both the kids are ten years old.

I'm glad I only work 190 days a year. :)

[Mjcpr]

Was she hawt?

[usmc-sooner]

they got suspended?

[Soonrboy]

well, yeah...

[nmsoonergirl]

Imagine how much more fun your day would have been if one of them had been a teacher.

See, things can always be worse.

[usmc-sooner]

were they doing more than kissing? I mean that stuff happened all the time when I went to school, nobody ever got suspended.

[Oldnslo]

Seems like this could have been handled better, and more gently.

[Scott D]

usmc you awfully interested in kiddie porn today. I know the misguided children are deprived...but not that badly ;)

[Osce0la]

were they doing more than kissing?
:les: THERE WAS TONGUE ACTION

Has anyone heard from 1TC today

[Soonrboy]

Yeah, lying to their teachers, not being where they were supposed to be. Stuff like that.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Got it bad...got it bad...got it bad...

[Soonrboy]

Imagine how much more fun your day would have been if one of them had been a teacher.

See, things can always be worse.


there's the silver lining!!

[Soonrboy]

Seems like this could have been handled better, and more gently.


I would have whipped their respective asses if I could.

[12]

boom chicka boom BOWWW de boom ba chick

[usmc-sooner]

Yeah, lying to their teachers, not being where they were supposed to be. Stuff like that.

yeah that happens every day, I think this goes in the overboard category. I'd have given them detention, made them do essays. Now this little boy is going to be a hero for getting suspending for hooking up in a closet and the little girl is going to get labeled too.

[usmc-sooner]

So Soonerboy you ever take any of the hawt teachers to the closet? :D

[Soonrboy]

were they doing more than kissing? I mean that stuff happened all the time when I went to school, nobody ever got suspended.


Let 'em make out at home...don't need that **** at school. Did I mention they were 10 and the Janitor said they were really getting after it when he walked in on them.

[usmc-sooner]

they need to spanking their asses, like they did when I was in school.

[Soonrboy]

That's what I usually tell the parents..something like

You know, I have a ten year old daughter. If her principal calls me and tells me she's making out with a boy, I'd be at the school spanking her. Then I'd take her home and spank her again.

Same story for the boys.

[usmc-sooner]

I wasn't criticizing you Soonerboy, school is just a lot different than when I went.

[Hamhock]

Let 'em make out at home...don't need that **** at school. Did I mention they were 10 and the Janitor said they were really getting after it when he walked in on them.


what grade is that?

[C&CDean]

pffft. Childsplay.

Me and Debbie Hoffman were doing the 69 after a spin-the-bottle game behind Dietz Elementary in the 4th grade. She showed me how to do it after watching her mom and the neighbor do it.

Of course she said she was gonna whip my *** if I didn't do it, and who wants to get their *** whipped by the prettiest girl in school? So I did it. And the rest is history...

[Oldnslo]

I would have whipped their respective asses if I could.
I once prosecuted a 9 year old for rape.

Your description of the event seems to indicate that this wasn't the most horrible breach of rules. I'm not sure it even gets to "bad". Two kids made a mistake that might be viewed with a chuckle. However, instead of a chuckle, they now have something on their PERMANENT RECORD.

And while we all know how grievous that can be, for these kids and their friends and families, it's a big deal.

[Collier11]

I read a story about 2 or 3 days ago where a kid had gotten in trouble for something or another and his momma made him hold a sign on the street corner saying something like "I lied to my mom and im sorry for always getting in trouble" he was 10 or 12 I think...I actually thought it was a good idea even though it may have been a tad embarrassing

[Frozen Sooner]

Guys, from Soonrboy's perspective, here's what he's got to look at:

His teachers are in loco parentis for those two children. There are several scenarios that could have played out from this that would have (at the least) led to a multi-million dollar judgment against his district and the loss of two of his teachers' jobs.

Scenario 1:

Little Bobby manages to penetrate little Bobbie Sue. Little Bobbie Sue starts acting out (as is normal for children who sexualize WAY too early) and a therapist finds out that she's been sexually active at school. Bobbie Sue says that she was raped at school while a teacher was supposed to be watching her. Boom. Multi-million dollar lawsuit, judgment for the plaintiff. Plus, Little Bobby gets to go to counseling for, basically, ever.

Scenario 2:

Little Bobby and Bobbie Sue, while in the throes of prepubescent ecstasy, manage to knock over a shelving unit and hurt themselves. The teachers notice they're not back in class in a timely manner, but because they've lied about their location the search is delayed for critical minutes. Little Bobby ends up having to have his foot amputated. Boom. Million dollar verdict.

Scenario 3:

A gunman enters the school. The teachers, being properly trained in crisis management, have locked their classroom doors preventing loss of life-except for Bobby and Bobbie Sue, who the gunman found in an unlocked closet. Boom. Million dollar judgment.

Teachers have been increasingly found to have an absolute responsibility to know where their students are on school grounds at all times. Kids lying to teachers about where they're going and conspiring to boot...yeah, I think Soonerboy's response was probably warranted.

If parents are going to continue to become more and more unreasonable about their children's behavior, districts are going to become more and more unreasonable about breaches in decorum.

[Scott D]

pffft. Childsplay.

Me and Debbie Hoffman were doing the 69 after a spin-the-bottle game behind Dietz Elementary in the 4th grade. She showed me how to do it after watching her mom and the neighbor do it.

Of course she said she was gonna whip my *** if I didn't do it, and who wants to get their *** whipped by the prettiest girl in school? So I did it. And the rest is history...

And this children is how Dean embarked on getting a degree in crime sprees as a youth.

[Frozen Sooner]

I once prosecuted a 9 year old for rape.

Your description of the event seems to indicate that this wasn't the most horrible breach of rules. I'm not sure it even gets to "bad". Two kids made a mistake that might be viewed with a chuckle. However, instead of a chuckle, they now have something on their PERMANENT RECORD.

And while we all know how grievous that can be, for these kids and their friends and families, it's a big deal.

I'm pretty sure that disciplinary action prior to high school isn't on any kind of permanent record. At least it wasn't when I was in elementary school.

[yermom]

they get to make out in the closet AND not have to go to school for a few days?

sounds like a rash of closet make out sessions are on the horizon ;)

[C&CDean]

And this children is how Dean embarked on getting a degree in crime sprees as a youth.

true dat.

After we were done, we both smoked cigars she stole from her dad while sitting on the school roof. 4th ****ing grade people. 2 weeks later I got busted for breaking a school window and climbing in and stealing some girl scout cookies and a money bag. This wasn't long after getting kicked out of Cub Scouts for stealing our Den mother's (who was also a Girl Scout leader) cookie money from her closet.

Geez, no wonder I'm so ****ed up...

[Scott D]

See that's how I know we ain't kin.

Cuz any alleged illegal activites on my part were never detected by any persons of authority....or any rats. :)

[C&CDean]

See that's how I know we ain't kin.

Cuz any alleged illegal activites on my part were never detected by any persons of authority....or any rats. :)

Dude, I can think of at least a couple other ways I know we ain't kin than that.

[Mjcpr]

true dat.

After we were done, we both smoked cigars she stole from her dad while sitting on the school roof. 4th ****ing grade people. 2 weeks later I got busted for breaking a school window and climbing in and stealing some girl scout cookies and a money bag. This wasn't long after getting kicked out of Cub Scouts for stealing our Den mother's (who was also a Girl Scout leader) cookie money from her closet.

Geez, no wonder I'm so ****ed up...

It's because you sexualized WAY too early I bet.

[Oldnslo]

Guys, from Soonrboy's perspective, here's what he's got to look at:

His teachers are in loco parentis for those two children. There are several scenarios that could have played out from this that would have (at the least) led to a multi-million dollar judgment against his district and the loss of two of his teachers' jobs.

Scenario 1:

Little Bobby manages to penetrate little Bobbie Sue. Little Bobbie Sue starts acting out (as is normal for children who sexualize WAY too early) and a therapist finds out that she's been sexually active at school. Bobbie Sue says that she was raped at school while a teacher was supposed to be watching her. Boom. Multi-million dollar lawsuit, judgment for the plaintiff. Plus, Little Bobby gets to go to counseling for, basically, ever.


Change the facts, change the law. This scenario isn't what was described by Brother Soonrboy. To the contrary, these children certainly seemed to have gotten along by agreement and with consent.


Scenario 2:

Little Bobby and Bobbie Sue, while in the throes of prepubescent ecstasy, manage to knock over a shelving unit and hurt themselves. The teachers notice they're not back in class in a timely manner, but because they've lied about their location the search is delayed for critical minutes. Little Bobby ends up having to have his foot amputated. Boom. Million dollar verdict.

See above. This didn't happen. I, too, can imagine facts that would have changed my initial response. I also don't know where "boom. million dollar verdict" comes from. While it isn't possible for children under 7 to be negligent, children under 14 can be so found. Seems like the original facts show that these kids knew what they were up to. As such, the jury would be instructed on comparative negligence... IF the case got past summary judgment.




Scenario 3:

A gunman enters the school. The teachers, being properly trained in crisis management, have locked their classroom doors preventing loss of life-except for Bobby and Bobbie Sue, who the gunman found in an unlocked closet. Boom. Million dollar judgment.

The bogeyman! See above.

Also, even where there is clear negligence and huge damages, million dollar verdicts ain't so easy to come by.


Teachers have been increasingly found to have an absolute responsibility to know where their students are on school grounds at all times. Kids lying to teachers about where they're going and conspiring to boot...yeah, I think Soonerboy's response was probably warranted.

If parents are going to continue to become more and more unreasonable about their children's behavior, districts are going to become more and more unreasonable about breaches in decorum.
recognizing insanity is the first step to curing it. The current regime of "zero tolerance" policies is just such insanity. In my opinion.

[Hamhock]

Guys, from Soonrboy's perspective, here's what he's got to look at:

His teachers are in loco parentis for those two children. There are several scenarios that could have played out from this that would have (at the least) led to a multi-million dollar judgment against his district and the loss of two of his teachers' jobs.

Scenario 1:

Little Bobby manages to penetrate little Bobbie Sue. Little Bobbie Sue starts acting out (as is normal for children who sexualize WAY too early) and a therapist finds out that she's been sexually active at school. Bobbie Sue says that she was raped at school while a teacher was supposed to be watching her. Boom. Multi-million dollar lawsuit, judgment for the plaintiff. Plus, Little Bobby gets to go to counseling for, basically, ever.

Scenario 2:

Little Bobby and Bobbie Sue, while in the throes of prepubescent ecstasy, manage to knock over a shelving unit and hurt themselves. The teachers notice they're not back in class in a timely manner, but because they've lied about their location the search is delayed for critical minutes. Little Bobby ends up having to have his foot amputated. Boom. Million dollar verdict.

Scenario 3:

A gunman enters the school. The teachers, being properly trained in crisis management, have locked their classroom doors preventing loss of life-except for Bobby and Bobbie Sue, who the gunman found in an unlocked closet. Boom. Million dollar judgment.

Teachers have been increasingly found to have an absolute responsibility to know where their students are on school grounds at all times. Kids lying to teachers about where they're going and conspiring to boot...yeah, I think Soonerboy's response was probably warranted.

If parents are going to continue to become more and more unreasonable about their children's behavior, districts are going to become more and more unreasonable about breaches in decorum.

applies to law school and all of a sudden he thinks he knows everyhting....;)

[Hamhock]

Also, even where there is clear negligence and huge damages, million dollar verdicts ain't so easy to come by.


pffft...you must not be as good a lawyer as Rus.

[usmc-sooner]

Mike with all due respect none of that happened, I mean I could pick up a knife a murder a family, or I could have just cut into a steak. You can't base policy on what could have happened.

[Frozen Sooner]

Mike with all due respect none of that happened, I mean I could pick up a knife a murder a family, or I could have just cut into a steak. You can't base policy on what could have happened.

But what did happen is that the children knowingly lied to a teacher about their whereabouts. The response is to deter that kind of behavior.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

true dat.

After we were done, we both smoked cigars she stole from her dad while sitting on the school roof. 4th ****ing grade people. 2 weeks later I got busted for breaking a school window and climbing in and stealing some girl scout cookies and a money bag. This wasn't long after getting kicked out of Cub Scouts for stealing our Den mother's (who was also a Girl Scout leader) cookie money from her closet.

Geez, no wonder I'm so ****ed up...

How was the 5th grade for ya?

[crawfish]

Dean didn't get beat nearly enough as a child.

Obviously.

[NormanPride]

Scenario 3:

A gunman enters the school. The teachers, being properly trained in crisis management, have locked their classroom doors preventing loss of life-except for Bobby and Bobbie Sue, who the gunman found in an unlocked closet. Boom. Head Shot.

Sorry. :O

[Sooner24]

*

[BigRedJed]

Phhhht. those kids (and Dean) were all late bloomers. I was mugging down with Christy Cromwell behind the classroom door in kindergarten.



although i didn't actually "get it on" until about 14 years later...

[usmc-sooner]

But what did happen is that the children knowingly lied to a teacher about their whereabouts. The response is to deter that kind of behavior.

Cmon Mike your close to my age we lied to our teachers all the time. Never got suspended for it. We used to ask to go to the bathroom, then sneak into the teachers lounge and tip the coke machine to get free cokes. We did this until somebody let the machine fall and he got swats. We also had in school suspension, so you were seperated but still doing and staying up with your school work. Heh my wrestling coach had to watch me all day for 3 days one time. First day he was a hard *** the next two days we just shot the **** and didn't do much.

[Frozen Sooner]

Change the facts, change the law. This scenario isn't what was described by Brother Soonrboy. To the contrary, these children certainly seemed to have gotten along by agreement and with consent.

1. Children can't give consent (though of course in this instance they are the same age, so statutory rape isn't the issue.)
2. He said, she said in civil court, not criminal. Who knows what the jury believes?


See above. This didn't happen. I, too, can imagine facts that would have changed my initial response. I also don't know where "boom. million dollar verdict" comes from. While it isn't possible for children under 7 to be negligent, children under 14 can be so found. Seems like the original facts show that these kids knew what they were up to. As such, the jury would be instructed on comparative negligence... IF the case got past summary judgment.

See "absolute duty to know where chidren under their supervision are at all times."


The bogeyman! See above.

Also, even where there is clear negligence and huge damages, million dollar verdicts ain't so easy to come by.

recognizing insanity is the first step to curing it. The current regime of "zero tolerance" policies is just such insanity. In my opinion.

I'm in agreement that Zero Tolerance policies aren't an ideal solution. The problem with other types of policy is that, being subject to interpretation, they open you up to charges of discriminatory practice on unequal enforcement.

Imagine yourself as counsel for the district. What would you advise them a prudent policy to deal with children caught conspiring to hide their location would be?

[SleestakSooner]

pffft. Childsplay.

Me and Debbie Hoffman were doing the 69 after a spin-the-bottle game behind Dietz Elementary in the 4th grade. She showed me how to do it after watching her mom and the neighbor do it.

Of course she said she was gonna whip my *** if I didn't do it, and who wants to get their *** whipped by the prettiest girl in school? So I did it. And the rest is history...

So you admit that your childhood was a bit like Sic'Em's adult life... minus the actual sex?

[OCUDad]

Geez, no wonder I'm so ****ed up...Thank God for the US Postal Service: "Employing the otherwise unemployable."

[1stTimeCaller]

quispiam got a novus latin thesarus

[Mongo]

meus scrotum est maior ut Utor latin

[1stTimeCaller]

did vos teneo ut EGO nomen meus navis oilfield purgamentum?

[Mongo]

is est fun , nos should sermo amo is magis sepius

[Mongo]

vos volo praecessi ut talea quod pick sursum nonnullus latin pullus 1TC?

[Sooner_Bob]

Whoa. My oldest is in the 4th grade . . . how'd they sneak out of class or wherever to get to the closet?

[Soonrboy]

they prearranged it to lie to their teachers about going to the library..they are in two separate classes..then they hooked up.

I wish I had the personnel to have in-school suspension. That would be sweet, but don't have the room or the resources.

Had to do something, or would have other kids trying it and pretty soon, some parent starts calling sexual harrassment against other kids, and I know I don't want to deal with that. 2 days at home and missing their Valentine's party sends a pretty good message.

It was my decision, not a zero tolerance policy, by the way.

[Oldnslo]

1. Children can't give consent (though of course in this instance they are the same age, so statutory rape isn't the issue.)
2. He said, she said in civil court, not criminal. Who knows what the jury believes?



See "absolute duty to know where chidren under their supervision are at all times."



I'm in agreement that Zero Tolerance policies aren't an ideal solution. The problem with other types of policy is that, being subject to interpretation, they open you up to charges of discriminatory practice on unequal enforcement.

Imagine yourself as counsel for the district. What would you advise them a prudent policy to deal with children caught conspiring to hide their location would be?
?

I never said anything about statutory rape. The kids agreed to meet. They understood their actions. As such, they can be found responsible for their own acts. FWIW, it appears that by arguing that the kids were in a "conspiracy" you'd concede this point.

As for the s/he said argument, I was dealing with the facts as given by Soonrboy, not as imagined. He said the two 4th grade kids agreed to meet and make out.

I don't know where your absolute duty line comes from. But I wasn't always where I said I'd be. Neither, I'm willing to bet, were you, or the principal and counselor in the story.

When punishment makes no sense, it diminishes respect for authority. I forget whether that's Locke or Madison, or someone else, but from the facts given, there seems to be something out of whack with the school's response to this situation.

[1stTimeCaller]

I support your decision 100%.

It's easy for us to sit here and armchair Principal.

Thanks for doing your best to educate kids.

[1stTimeCaller]

I also think the mother's statement was funny. Did you tell her to worry about her own kid?

[Oldnslo]

It was my decision, not a zero tolerance policy, by the way.
Okay. You were there and I wasn't. I can only assume that you measured the situation and decided that the embarrassment of having the parents called wasn't, in itself, enough of a punishment.

Pax.

[usmc-sooner]

doleo would have gone down swinging against the 10 year old boy in the closet

[Frozen Sooner]

?

I never said anything about statutory rape. The kids agreed to meet. They understood their actions. As such, they can be found responsible for their own acts. FWIW, it appears that by arguing that the kids were in a "conspiracy" you'd concede this point.

As for the s/he said argument, I was dealing with the facts as given by Soonrboy, not as imagined. He said the two 4th grade kids agreed to meet and make out.

I don't know where your absolute duty line comes from. But I wasn't always where I said I'd be. Neither, I'm willing to bet, were you, or the principal and counselor in the story.

When punishment makes no sense, it diminishes respect for authority. I forget whether that's Locke or Madison, or someone else, but from the facts given, there seems to be something out of whack with the school's response to this situation.

You had said that they had obviously given consent. Children cannot give consent for sexual intercourse (which is the basis for statutory rape). I then dismissed my own argument on that, since in this case statutory rape doesn't come into play.

The absolute duty comes from the Anchorage School District's policy on classroom control. The reason they have it? A six-year-old "raped" another six-year-old when they were both in the bathroom when they weren't supposed to be. Times they are a-changin'. I don't agree with it and think it's unrealistic as a standard, but that's apparently where the courts want the schools to be.

The point that I'm making is that since Soonerboy has a duty to keep the children safe, then he is perfectly justified in making rules that are reasonably designed to keep children safe. I then gave several examples of why children lying about their whereabouts circumvents controls the school has in place to keep them safe. Yeah, they're worst-case scenarios-but that's what controls are for, to minimize exposure to worst-case scenarios.

[Sooner_Bob]

they prearranged it to lie to their teachers about going to the library..they are in two separate classes..then they hooked up.

I wish I had the personnel to have in-school suspension. That would be sweet, but don't have the room or the resources.

Had to do something, or would have other kids trying it and pretty soon, some parent starts calling sexual harrassment against other kids, and I know I don't want to deal with that. 2 days at home and missing their Valentine's party sends a pretty good message.

It was my decision, not a zero tolerance policy, by the way.


Sounds like you made the right decision. Send a message up front.

[Oldnslo]

You had said that they had obviously given consent. Children cannot give consent for sexual intercourse (which is the basis for statutory rape). I then dismissed my own argument on that, since in this case statutory rape doesn't come into play.

The absolute duty comes from the Anchorage School District's policy on classroom control. The reason they have it? A six-year-old "raped" another six-year-old when they were both in the bathroom when they weren't supposed to be. Times they are a-changin'. I don't agree with it and think it's unrealistic as a standard, but that's apparently where the courts want the schools to be.

The point that I'm making is that since Soonerboy has a duty to keep the children safe, then he is perfectly justified in making rules that are reasonably designed to keep children safe. I then gave several examples of why children lying about their whereabouts circumvents controls the school has in place to keep them safe. Yeah, they're worst-case scenarios-but that's what controls are for, to minimize exposure to worst-case scenarios.
Did soonrboy's story include sexual intercourse? I missed that. I also don't know about what school districts have enacted such an "absolute duty" standard, or why they would. 6 year olds can't even commit delinquent acts. I'd say that I'd like to read some court's decision to the contrary, but that would be a lie.

I also understand why there would need to be some comeuppance for the kids' acts. What I questioned was the severity. But Soonrboy was there and I wasn't, so I'll defer to his judgment on the scene.

Again, pax.

[Frozen Sooner]

Did soonrboy's story include sexual intercourse? I missed that. I also don't know about what school districts have enacted such an "absolute duty" standard, or why they would. 6 year olds can't even commit delinquent acts. I'd say that I'd like to read some court's decision to the contrary, but that would be a lie.

I also understand why there would need to be some comeuppance for the kids' acts. What I questioned was the severity. But Soonrboy was there and I wasn't, so I'll defer to his judgment on the scene.

Again, pax.

Man, totally no hard feelings. I'm just trying to get the mental muscles back in shape. No pax needed.

"Sexual intercourse" Well, since (presumably) the boy's tongue penetrated an orifice on the girl (her mouth) I think in many jurisdictions that's considered intercourse. Could be wrong though.

[BigRedJed]

My god, Froze. You're making me... ...tingly.

[Frozen Sooner]

My god, Froze. You're making me... ...tingly.

I'll penetrate YOUR orifice.

WET WILLY TIME!

[Hamhock]

pffft. Childsplay.

Me and Debbie Hoffman were doing the 69 after a spin-the-bottle game behind Dietz Elementary in the 4th grade. She showed me how to do it after watching her mom and the neighbor do it.

Of course she said she was gonna whip my *** if I didn't do it, and who wants to get their *** whipped by the prettiest girl in school? So I did it. And the rest is history...


and I have noooo idea why SAS would complain about the standard by which posts are buhleted.

[sanantoniosooner]

I'll penetrate YOUR orifice.

WET WILLY TIME!
:rolleyes:

[Frozen Sooner]

:rolleyes:

What, you want a wet willy also?

[Frozen Sooner]

and I have noooo idea why SAS would complain about the standard by which posts are buhleted.

Well, quite obviously, if he posted more stories about bobcats he'd be golden.

[sanantoniosooner]

What, you want a wet willy also?
I was under the impression that "wet willies" were taboo to talk about.

Especially if you up the ante and throw "orifice" in there with it.

Or maybe it's just when I mention them.

[Frozen Sooner]

:blink:

They are?

Licking your finger and sticking it someone's ear is taboo?

[sanantoniosooner]

:blink:

They are?

Licking your finger and sticking it someone's ear is taboo?
It got deleted when I suggested that somebody gave BRJ one.

Maybe it was because I suggested "Ted" of the mexican restaurant scene was the one that did it. Who knows?

[BigRedJed]

Nope. It was an honest mistake. Maybe the rest of them weren't, but that one DEFINITELY was. Let's not go down that road today. Instead, feel free to talk about orifices!

[Oldnslo]

mmmm... poised orifi

[C&CDean]

and I have noooo idea why SAS would complain about the standard by which posts are buhleted.
Are you whining? Cause it sounds an awful lot like you're whining.

[SicEmBaylor]

Let 'em make out at home...don't need that **** at school. Did I mention they were 10 and the Janitor said they were really getting after it when he walked in on them.

How did the janitor know they were "really getting after it" if he just walked in? How long did he watch? ;)

[sooner_born_1960]

SicEm, "really getting after it" does not equal 'more "into it"'. If your going to use quotes, quote something.

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm pretty sure that disciplinary action prior to high school isn't on any kind of permanent record. At least it wasn't when I was in elementary school.


I don't know if it goes on your school record or not. I do know that I got detention my sophomore year in HS and thought that my world had completely ended. I didn't think there was any way to recover from that humiliation, but it didn't go on my permanent record so all's well that ends okay. I'm not sure about suspensions though.

[BigRedJed]

Are you whining? Cause it sounds an awful lot like you're whining.
Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he's whining about something that HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

:confused:

[C&CDean]

Yeah, a guy goes and sticks a kitty in the *** with an arrow and he thinks he's got the right to go whining about everybody elses business. The nerve of some people...

[Hamhock]

Are you whining? Cause it sounds an awful lot like you're whining.


i'd call more observing than whining.

[Hamhock]

Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he's whining about something that HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

:confused:



ahh, but you're wrong. i had a post buhleted because it said P & BJ, while the 10 year old sex show post stays.

i'm observing, not whining. i don't care if you start randomly deleting posts, just seems funny to pretend that there are rules when there clearly aren't.

SO THERE!

[C&CDean]

Well cat slayer, let me tell you a story:

I was in Salt Lake City teaching a class with another instructor several years back. This chick in the class had giant chichis that were pretty much a distraction to everyone in the class. I'm not talking big tits, I'm talking huge, humongous, gigantic, gargantuan mounds of female chest blubber.

Anyhow, she was wearing a t-shirt with a screen print on the front of a couple of blue whales swimming in the ocean. You know, one of those shirts you cop in San Diego or wherever? Anyhow, she is drinking a coke and spills some across her horizon filling breasteses. The first thing that came out of my mouth was "save the whales." She laughed, and everybody else laughed too.

A couple days later my partner is teaching and this endowed chick is wearing a shirt with Utah Jazz on it. My partner makes a comment about "all that jazz" and he gets slapped with a couple sexual harrassment complaints, bad reviews, and other negative stuff.

The moral of this story? Some people can get away with saying pretty much anything - maybe because their intent is innocent - or - they have a gift of gab - or people just trust them - or people just like them - or they have some kind of animal magnetism - or whatever. Some people can't. Is it fair? Hells no, but life ain't fair.

The End.

[Mongo]

I am a little slow in the head, can I get away with anything that I say?

[Hamhock]

Well cat slayer, let me tell you a story:

I was in Salt Lake City teaching a class with another instructor several years back. This chick in the class had giant chichis that were pretty much a distraction to everyone in the class. I'm not talking big tits, I'm talking huge, humongous, gigantic, gargantuan mounds of female chest blubber.

Anyhow, she was wearing a t-shirt with a screen print on the front of a couple of blue whales swimming in the ocean. You know, one of those shirts you cop in San Diego or wherever? Anyhow, she is drinking a coke and spills some across her horizon filling breasteses. The first thing that came out of my mouth was "save the whales." She laughed, and everybody else laughed too.

A couple days later my partner is teaching and this endowed chick is wearing a shirt with Utah Jazz on it. My partner makes a comment about "all that jazz" and he gets slapped with a couple sexual harrassment complaints, bad reviews, and other negative stuff.

The moral of this story? Some people can get away with saying pretty much anything - maybe because their intent is innocent - or - they have a gift of gab - or people just trust them - or people just like them - or they have some kind of animal magnetism - or whatever. Some people can't. Is it fair? Hells no, but life ain't fair.

The End.

i was never under any illusion that the rules were meant to be fair. I just find it comical that they purport to be.

i love reading your stories of debauchery, and was saddened when the couch got the axe.

[C&CDean]

I am a little slow in the head, can I get away with anything that I say?
Only if you say it into the microphone.

[C&CDean]

i was never under any illusion that the rules were meant to be fair. I just find it comical that they purport to be.

i love reading your stories of debauchery, and was saddened when the couch got the axe.

Well, the rules are fair. If you don't violate them you don't have any troubles.

[sitzpinkler]

I never had the option to just ask and go to the library whenever I felt like it in elementary school. That seems a bit too lax in my opinion.

[Soonrboy]

The mom of the girl called my boss because she thought I was too severe. Eh, oh well. My boss asked me if I would consider rescinding the suspension, I just said No. He said, All right then. End of story.

[Soonrboy]

I never had the option to just ask and go to the library whenever I felt like it in elementary school. That seems a bit too lax in my opinion.


It's called flex scheduling. Why wait a week to check out another book when you can go when you're finished, or if you don't like the book?

Or go when you want to make out in the janitor's closet.

[Frozen Sooner]

The mom of the girl called my boss because she thought I was too severe. Eh, oh well. My boss asked me if I would consider rescinding the suspension, I just said No. He said, All right then. End of story.

Tell her the choice is either suspension or mom wearing a sign around town for the next few weeks saying "I'm raising a lying little cornerwalker."

[sitzpinkler]

It's called flex scheduling. Why wait a week to check out another book when you can go when you're finished, or if you don't like the book?

Or go when you want to make out in the janitor's closet.

In that case, the teachers should make sure the librarian is expecting them and that the kids are aware of this.

[Frozen Sooner]

In that case, the teachers should make sure the librarian is expecting them and that the kids are aware of this.

+1.

[Soonrboy]

In that case, the teachers should make sure the librarian is expecting them and that the kids are aware of this.


and how would you handle this? Send a kid with a note? Call the office on the intercom and then have the office call the library?

[Frozen Sooner]

and how would you handle this? Send a kid with a note? Call the office on the intercom and then have the office call the library?

RFID, GPS, electro-shock collars.

See, this is why I'm not in education.

Or you could do it a couple of easy, affordable ways.

E-mail could work (though there's the chance the librarian doesn't see it in a timely manner.)
Passes that need to be countersigned on receipt-i.e. teacher signs the note out and the time, librarian countersigns when the kid gets there and leaves with time.

[Soonrboy]

Passes that need to be countersigned on receipt-i.e. teacher signs the note out and the time, librarian countersigns when the kid gets there and leaves with time.

Yeah, we tried that. Lots of time from the librarian, but we did try it. I want her helping kids choose books and taking reading tests on the computer, or monitoring the computers in there. We try to build responsibility in the kids, and that really doesn't do it, so when they mess up, they suffer consequences.

[Soonrboy]

Plus I'm not going to change anyone's jobs because two idiots got carried away. It gives them too much power.

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah, I figured there was a reason you weren't doing that.

Hey, I'm great with you doing the "personal responsibility" thing with the kids followed up with hammering them if they fall down.

edit:

I don't know about "changing people's jobs." When we find security flaws here, we change our controls to account for the flaw. That's not changing someone's job, that's giving you tools to make sure the job is getting done.

To me, an educator's primary job responsibilities are:

1. Teach the kids.
2. Don't get the kids killed on your watch.

[sitzpinkler]

and how would you handle this? Send a kid with a note? Call the office on the intercom and then have the office call the library?

I assumed teachers would have phones with their own extensions by now. :O

[usmc-sooner]

how about cutting their tongues out

[BigRedJed]

Please don't tell me that you people still use the copiers with the rotating drums and the funny-smelling blue ink.

[BigRedJed]

And yes, I know it's called a mimeograph. The other way was just funnier.

[BigRedJed]

To me, anyway.