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OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 09:06 AM
:eek:

What I want to know is, why no love for Stalin or Mao????

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915_Che_Guevara_Flags_in_Obamas_Houston_O ffice&only

soonerinabilene
2/12/2008, 09:13 AM
Better go ahead and shoot him and the 5 million other non cuban people in this country that wear shirts that have that pic on it.

sooner_born_1960
2/12/2008, 09:16 AM
What a dumass.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 09:19 AM
I think its one thing for some 15 year clueless punk to wear a Che shirt he picked up at hottopic "cause its cool".

It's a whole other matter when someone running for President has multiple flags celebrating a communist mass murderer/terrorist hanging on the walls of his campaign office in one of the largest cities in the country.

Widescreen
2/12/2008, 09:32 AM
It certainly is telling about the types of people who are drawn to Obama. I think the real story is how the Obama camp deals with this. I can't imagine those things won't be down today. Then there'll be the damage control since McCain is obviously going to try to exploit that in the general election.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 09:37 AM
I had no idea he refused to wear the flag pin anymore.

That's pretty ****ty.

crawfish
2/12/2008, 09:39 AM
I just hope I can get a position on his staff shooting dissidents.

sooner_born_1960
2/12/2008, 09:40 AM
I just hope I can get a position on his staff shooting dissidents.
The courts will play a mojor role in that activity. You probaly need to see TUSooner about a job.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 09:42 AM
I saw this in the comments of the link of LGF.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k225/ECMarm/harkin_steak_fry_08.jpg

The day he gets the nomination, they can just go ahead and call this election won for McCain.

TUSooner
2/12/2008, 09:47 AM
When i see these innerwb infammatory attacks, I try to cut people slack, even Obama, but at some point he's got to realize that when one is running for the office President of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA one should show some love for the Nation. <shakes head>

Curly Bill
2/12/2008, 10:02 AM
I saw this in the comments of the link of LGF.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k225/ECMarm/harkin_steak_fry_08.jpg

The day he gets the nomination, they can just go ahead and call this election won for McCain.

I know, isn't that great. :D

edit...well, maybe not great, but I'd rather have McCain then a socialist.

proud gonzo
2/12/2008, 10:07 AM
I saw this in the comments of the link of LGF.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k225/ECMarm/harkin_steak_fry_08.jpg

The day he gets the nomination, they can just go ahead and call this election won for McCain.what does that matter? it's not like he's sitting down. I don't put my hand over my heart for the national anthem either. I also choose not to say the pledge of allegiance. so what?

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 10:09 AM
Maybe they said "Put your hand over your heart if your a doosh." and Obama said "Nay"

SoonerBorn68
2/12/2008, 10:09 AM
Maybe AQ's new strategy is to get Obama elected & then he'll repeal the Constitution & enact Sharia Law. http://geocities.com/soonerborn91/smilies2/tinfoil.gif

In all seriousness I find it scary the dude has people like that representing him like that out in the open & that photo speaks volumes about his "love" for this country.

God help us all if he's elected.

King Crimson
2/12/2008, 10:10 AM
I know, isn't that great. :D

edit...well, maybe not great, but I'd rather have McCain then a socialist.

this picture offers conclusive evidence that Obama is, in fact, a socialist. his first 100 days will feature the nationalization of all private industry, a 5 year plan, and the abolition of private property. :cool:

SoonerBorn68
2/12/2008, 10:11 AM
what does that matter? it's not like he's sitting down. I don't put my hand over my heart for the national anthem either. I also choose not to say the pledge of allegiance. so what?

You're not representing your party & trying to get elected president of the USA. If you were I wouldn't vote for you. That's what.

Curly Bill
2/12/2008, 10:12 AM
this picture offers conclusive evidence that Obama is, in fact, a socialist. his first 100 days will feature the nationalization of all private industry, a 5 year plan, and the abolition of private property. :cool:

Who said the picture proved he was a socialist? The picture proves he's not an astute politician. His words prove that he's a socialist.

Curly Bill
2/12/2008, 10:18 AM
what does that matter? it's not like he's sitting down. I don't put my hand over my heart for the national anthem either. I also choose not to say the pledge of allegiance. so what?

...but are you trying to be elected POTUS?

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 10:23 AM
what does that matter? it's not like he's sitting down. I don't put my hand over my heart for the national anthem either. I also choose not to say the pledge of allegiance. so what?


Why not? Has your life in this country really been that bad?

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 10:26 AM
I don't know if it was there to begin with, but there is now a disclaimer under the video that says:

The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 10:27 AM
I don't know if it was there to begin with, but there is now a disclaimer under the video that says:

he should have control over every volunteer office in the world!!!!!!

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 10:33 AM
It certainly is telling about the types of people who are drawn to Obama.

Please tell me you're not a Ron Paul supporter.

BlondeSoonerGirl
2/12/2008, 10:34 AM
You're only supposed to put your hand over your heart when your pledging allegiance.

You're not supposed to during the NA. You're just supposed to stand up, take your hat off and show respect. I see people doing it at games when the NA is played and I always wonder 'do they think that's right?' or 'do they do it because they want to?'. Not that either is bad...

sooner_born_1960
2/12/2008, 10:39 AM
And at the end of the NA, you raise your Kalashnikov over your head and fire rounds into the air. Oh, wait.

sooneron
2/12/2008, 10:51 AM
And at the end of the NA, you raise your Kalashnikov over your head and fire rounds into the air. Oh, wait.
THAT is funnay!:texan:

sooneron
2/12/2008, 10:52 AM
I don't know if it was there to begin with, but there is now a disclaimer under the video that says:
The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.
Oops, I hate it when truth leaks it's way into a thread.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:04 AM
Well, in all fairness, I'm not certain of how true it is. I just find it interesting that the station posted that after the fact, if that's what happened.

bri
2/12/2008, 11:07 AM
Well, in all fairness, I'm not certain of how true it is. I just find it interesting that the station posted that after the fact, if that's what happened.

Fox News: We Report, You Decide, Then We Report The Rest Of The Facts Once The Damage Is Done

:D

Widescreen
2/12/2008, 11:08 AM
Please tell me you're not a Ron Paul supporter.
Nope. Can't stand the guy. As I've said in other threads, I don't know who I will vote for. They all suck giant donkey balls.

Oh, and if even if that isn't a campaign headquarters, it is insightful into a type of person who is an Obama supporter (I said "a type", not "the type"). Whether it is or isn't a campaign HQ, Obama had better deal with that. If he doesn't, he deserves whatever mud he receives.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:11 AM
And I'm saying I find it interesting only because if they did it after the fact, it would be even more interesting to know if that was a result of a request by the Obama camp, or if they did it on their own as a result of phone calls.

I'm sorry; PR fascinates me.

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 11:12 AM
The Suburban Baptist Cracker Brigade strikes again!!!!!!

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:14 AM
In a lot of ways, when we're dissecting candidates, we're not necessarily talking about their actual views or intended policies, we're responding to their PR efforts. It's always interesting to see who is going to out-professional who on the PR front.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:16 AM
Oh, and if even if that isn't a campaign headquarters, it is insightful into a type of person who is an Obama supporter (I said "a type", not "the type").

Which party do you think all the neo-nazis and Idaho militia are gonna vote for? Is that any better? It's not like we have that many choices.

King Crimson
2/12/2008, 11:17 AM
Hunter Thompson relates a story (prolly apocryphal) in his 72 campaign book about LBJ running in a Texas local election. LBJ spreads a rumor that there's a rumor his competitor had carnal relations with a pig as a young man. LBJ says: "of course it wasn't true, i just wanted to make him deny it".

TexasLidig8r
2/12/2008, 11:17 AM
Ok.. so someone enlighten me as to why Obama doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or put his hand over his heart during the Pledge? :confused:

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:20 AM
this picture offers conclusive evidence that Obama is, in fact, a socialist. his first 100 days will feature the nationalization of all private industry, a 5 year plan, and the abolition of private property. :cool:

Its not the picture that offers the conclusive evidence, its his proposed tax plan to jack my federal income tax burden over 50%, because I am "Rich". Or his plan to limit free trade, which would hurt many small businesses, or his plan to increase taxes on energy companies to "Save" the environment, which will hurt everyone's pocket books.

And the fact he wants to force me to use government run health care, which works so well for our military and other countries.

He should stick to showing a little patriotism for his country instead of trying to show how "cool" he is with his little commie terroist flags and left-wing agenda.

Or, Hussein could just go ahead and keep beating Billary and let McCain have the WhiteHouse, which would be just fine with me anyway.

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 11:20 AM
Ok.. so someone enlighten me as to why Obama doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or put his hand over his heart during the Pledge? :confused:

He's an Communist Islamic Terrorist. Just ask Tuba.

BlondeSoonerGirl
2/12/2008, 11:21 AM
Ok.. so someone enlighten me as to why Obama doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or put his hand over his heart during the Pledge? :confused:

It doesn't look like the Pledge to me. It looks like the NA the way they're not 'pledging' and all looking around and stuff.

Which is kinda what I was saying - some people put their hands over their hearts when the NA is playing even thought you're not 'supposed to'. I mean, nothing wrong with it but you don't have to.

I have no idea about the pin.

Mixer!
2/12/2008, 11:21 AM
My head hurts.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:24 AM
He has said that the pin demonstrates a false sort of affected patriotism, and that he wants to demonstrate patriotism through his actions and by asking tough questions of the government.

I'm pretty sure I understand his sentiment, but if I were his PR guy I would have told him to wear the pin.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:24 AM
Ok.. so someone enlighten me as to why Obama doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or put his hand over his heart during the Pledge? :confused:

Do you wear a flag lapel pin?

MrJimBeam
2/12/2008, 11:24 AM
Which party do you think all the neo-nazis and Idaho militia are gonna vote for? Is that any better? It's not like we have that many choices.
I doubt either group vote. Neo-nazis because they can't due to felony's, Idaho militia because they won't.

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 11:25 AM
A flag pin? Who gives a **** about a flag pin? Seriously.

I like the fact BO doesn't pander to the masses by wearing a flag pin.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:25 AM
Ok.. so someone enlighten me as to why Obama doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or put his hand over his heart during the Pledge? :confused:

Its called "appealing to his base".

Kind of like the drooling idiots in that campaign office who love "El Che" so much.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:26 AM
He has said that the pin demonstrates a false sort of affected patriotism, and that he wants to demonstrate patriotism through his actions and by asking tough questions of the government.



I bet he doesn't even have yellow ribbon stickers slapped all over his car because he hates the troops. :mad:

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:27 AM
A flag pin? Who gives a **** about a flag pin? Seriously.

I like the fact BO doesn't pander to the masses by wearing a flag pin.

Just as long as he panders to the "El Che" crowd, huh?? :D

King Crimson
2/12/2008, 11:28 AM
A flag pin? Who gives a **** about a flag pin? Seriously.

I like the fact BO doesn't pander to the masses by wearing a flag pin.


really, there are far more important issues. like his middle name. :texan:

somehow, should Obama defeat Hillary he will manage to personify in some way every conceivable notion of "evil" known to red-blooded Americans: commie, islamofascist, Black Panthers, Bader-Meinhof, King George, Darth Vader, etc.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:28 AM
A flag pin? Who gives a **** about a flag pin? Seriously.



Symbolism over substance--it's the American way!

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT COMMIE!

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:28 AM
I bet he doesn't even have yellow ribbon stickers slapped all over his car because he hates the troops. :mad:

Is that before or after he would attack Pakistan??

Hatfield
2/12/2008, 11:28 AM
I had no idea he refused to wear the flag pin anymore.

That's pretty ****ty.

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

"I'm less concerned with what you're wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart," Obama said Thursday while campaigning in Independence, Iowa.

"You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. And you show your patriotism by being true to your values and ideals. And that's what we have to lead with, our values and ideals," Obama said.

and he isn't the only one that doesn't wear the stars and bars

and on the issue of holding his hand over his heart on the pledge sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't. (which is similar to to my own stance)

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:29 AM
I'm not criticizing his motives, I'm only saying the lapel pin has become a silly, distracting issue, and I probably would have told him to suck it up and wear it. But that's why he's the idealistic candidate and I'm sitting in my office fantasizing about being the sleazy spin guy.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:29 AM
somehow, should Obama defeat Hillary he will manage to personify in some way every conceivable notion of "evil" known to red-blooded Americans: commie, islamofascist, King George, Darth Vader, etc.

Well he is black. :pop:

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:29 AM
Symbolism over substance--it's the American way!

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT COMMIE!

Of course, being a Head of State does require some symbolism of pride in your own country. You do understand this, right?

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 11:31 AM
Symbolism over substance--it's the American way!


You obviously haven't seen my new SUV. Ask me how much it cost.

Hatfield
2/12/2008, 11:32 AM
I saw this in the comments of the link of LGF.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k225/ECMarm/harkin_steak_fry_08.jpg

The day he gets the nomination, they can just go ahead and call this election won for McCain.

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/hannity-20071023-obama2.jpg

BlondeSoonerGirl
2/12/2008, 11:33 AM
See? That looks like the Pledge.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:33 AM
He's just playing with his nips.

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 11:34 AM
Well he is black. :pop:

What's a nubian? Bitch you almost made me laugh.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:34 AM
Of course, being a Head of State does require some symbolism of pride in your own country. You do understand this, right?

Ronald Reagan (http://www.science.co.il/People/Ronald-Reagan/), Communist. Not a flag lapel pin to be seen. Shameful.

Hatfield
2/12/2008, 11:34 AM
And at the end of the NA, you raise your Kalashnikov over your head and fire rounds into the air. Oh, wait.

while yelling WOLVERINES!!!!!!


http://meekmok.com/muaddib/images/blog/wolverines.jpg

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:36 AM
Ronald Reagan (http://www.science.co.il/People/Ronald-Reagan/), Communist. Not a flag lapel pin to be seen. Shameful.

No doubt.

I wonder if his campaign offices paid tribute to terrorist as well?

bri
2/12/2008, 11:37 AM
Link. (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp)

Alright, we're done now. Lock it up. Facts are about to show up and f*ck up everyone's fun. :D

Pricetag
2/12/2008, 11:38 AM
I bet he doesn't even have yellow ribbon stickers slapped all over his car because he hates the troops. :mad:
And if he did, he wouldn't have them tilted over on their side so that they look like the Christian fish, because he's Muslim! Look at his middle name!

Hatfield
2/12/2008, 11:41 AM
what's snopes got to say about WOLVERINES bri...huh...huh....

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:41 AM
No doubt.

I wonder if his campaign offices paid tribute to terrorist as well?

Replace "paid tribute" with "sold arms to" and "terrorist" with "terrorist-sponsoring Iran" and you might be on to something.... :texan:

C&CDean
2/12/2008, 11:41 AM
OK. I'm hearing a bunch of stuff about how stupid/trivial/substance-lacking it is to wear a lapel pin of the American flag (not the "stars and bars" hatfield), and the people who are arguing this point keep bringing up the "substance" Obama is made of. Obama himself keeps bringing up "**** the flag, it's what's in my heart that matters."

OK, tell me, WTF is in your heart? How do you really feel about America? Are you just pandering to the young, dumb, and clueless voters out there and the anybody but Bush clan? Are you just pandering to the young, intelligent, but seriously lacking the true knowledge of the foundation of freedom crowd like bri, pg, mdklatt, etc?

Cause to me, Obama is pretty much just pimping. He's got a ho for every situation. He's got a ho for the blacks, a ho for the other minorities, a ho for the commies, a ho for the America haters, and a ho for the young children with heads full of sawdust.

When I wear a suit I wear the flag on my lapel. When they play the NA I stand very still, remove my headgear, and hold it over my heart. And you're damn ****ing straight I say the pledge of allegiance and include the "under God" section. Why? Because I'm not a spoiled little peckerhead who's had everything handed to me on a silver platter. I believe this is the greatest country in the history of the world, and I've spent my time defending her. If you wanna disrespect my commitment/love/duty/honor by poo pooing the NA or pledge or flag pin that's fine. Just don't do it around me, and don't expect me to vote for you.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:42 AM
See? Silly, distracting issue. A good PR guy would have found some way to diffuse it long ago.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:43 AM
My post lost a little punch when Dean got in before I hit "post quick reply."

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:44 AM
OK. I'm hearing a bunch of stuff about how stupid/trivial/substance-lacking it is to wear a lapel pin of the American flag (not the "stars and bars" hatfield), and the people who are arguing this point keep bringing up the "substance" Obama is made of. Obama himself keeps bringing up "**** the flag, it's what's in my heart that matters."

OK, tell me, WTF is in your heart? How do you really feel about America? Are you just pandering to the young, dumb, and clueless voters out there and the anybody but Bush clan? Are you just pandering to the young, intelligent, but seriously lacking the true knowledge of the foundation of freedom crowd like bri, pg, mdklatt, etc?

Cause to me, Obama is pretty much just pimping. He's got a ho for every situation. He's got a ho for the blacks, a ho for the other minorities, a ho for the commies, a ho for the America haters, and a ho for the young children with heads full of sawdust.

When I wear a suit I wear the flag on my lapel. When they play the NA I stand very still, remove my headgear, and hold it over my heart. And you're damn ****ing straight I say the pledge of allegiance and include the "under God" section. Why? Because I'm not a spoiled little peckerhead who's had everything handed to me on a silver platter. I believe this is the greatest country in the history of the world, and I've spent my time defending her. If you wanna disrespect my commitment/love/duty/honor by poo pooing the NA or pledge or flag pin that's fine. Just don't do it around me, and don't expect me to vote for you.

Amen.

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 11:44 AM
When they play the NA I stand very still, remove my headgear, and hold it over my heart.

http://www.freewebs.com/elitedrawers/rev.headgear.jpg

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:45 AM
See? Silly, distracting issue. A good PR guy would have found some way to diffuse it long ago.

You can't fix stupid, no matter how much you pay your PR guy.

C&CDean
2/12/2008, 11:45 AM
Don't go **** up a perfectly good post of mine by agreeing with me Tuba.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:45 AM
seriously lacking the true knowledge of the foundation of freedom crowd like bri, pg, mdklatt

I'm pretty sure the foundation isn't based on lapel pins.

bri
2/12/2008, 11:46 AM
No doubt.

I wonder if his campaign offices paid tribute to terrorist as well?

That's right, keep handily omitting the word "unofficial" or "volunteer". Nice work as always.

C&CDean
2/12/2008, 11:46 AM
I'm pretty sure the foundation isn't based on lapel pins.
No ****?

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 11:47 AM
OK. I'm hearing a bunch of stuff about how stupid/trivial/substance-lacking it is to wear a lapel pin of the American flag (not the "stars and bars" hatfield), and the people who are arguing this point keep bringing up the "substance" Obama is made of. Obama himself keeps bringing up "**** the flag, it's what's in my heart that matters."

OK, tell me, WTF is in your heart? How do you really feel about America? Are you just pandering to the young, dumb, and clueless voters out there and the anybody but Bush clan? Are you just pandering to the young, intelligent, but seriously lacking the true knowledge of the foundation of freedom crowd like bri, pg, mdklatt, etc?

Cause to me, Obama is pretty much just pimping. He's got a ho for every situation. He's got a ho for the blacks, a ho for the other minorities, a ho for the commies, a ho for the America haters, and a ho for the young children with heads full of sawdust.

When I wear a suit I wear the flag on my lapel. When they play the NA I stand very still, remove my headgear, and hold it over my heart. And you're damn ****ing straight I say the pledge of allegiance and include the "under God" section. Why? Because I'm not a spoiled little peckerhead who's had everything handed to me on a silver platter. I believe this is the greatest country in the history of the world, and I've spent my time defending her. If you wanna disrespect my commitment/love/duty/honor by poo pooing the NA or pledge or flag pin that's fine. Just don't do it around me, and don't expect me to vote for you.

Ronald Reagan never wore a lapel pin. Neither did Teddy Roosevelt. Or Abe Lincoln. Just because lapel pins are trendy now, doesn't mean they define who you are. If they do, then you're a loser. Questioning someone's patriotism based on whether or not they wear a lapel pin is why the terrorists hate us.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:47 AM
That's right, keep handily omitting the word "unofficial" or "volunteer". Nice work as always.

Either way, I think we know the answer to the question.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:47 AM
A good PR guy would have also told him that whether or not it is truly traditional to put your hand over year heart when the national anthem plays, everyone else does it. You do it too.

Again, I'm not commenting on anyone's motivations, only saying that silly, distracting issues should be avoided at all costs when you're running for President.

leavingthezoo
2/12/2008, 11:48 AM
Ok.. so someone enlighten me as to why Obama doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or put his hand over his heart during the Pledge? :confused:

are we debating the pledge or the national anthem? because it was my understanding he didn't cover his heart during the national anthem.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c139/fourfret/hannity-20071023-obama2.jpg

I guess he's half unamerican??

of course, we all know that you aren't really showing your loyalty to America unless you are covering your belly which is now where the heart is.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c139/fourfret/hannity-20071023-obama.jpg

C'mon America! SHOW US YOUR TUMMY PATRIOTISM!

The Giants and obviously most football fans also hate America.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c139/fourfret/croons-1.gif

WE.ARE.DOOMED!

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 11:48 AM
dammit Bri, keep this up you're going to have to make me edit my pic to replace LAS with you

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/5049/lastubanf1.jpg

:D

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 11:48 AM
Questioning someone's patriotism based on whether or not they wear a lapel pin is why the terrorists hate us.

I'm pretty sure Paris Hilton also has something to do with it.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:50 AM
Questioning someone's patriotism based on whether or not they wear a lapel pin is why the terrorists hate us.

I am pretty sure they prefer Hussein Obama to McCain for several reasons, and they don't include lapel pins. (unless they make them in white)

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:51 AM
Good lord with the Hussein Obama dude, seriously. We get the point. You don't like him.

bri
2/12/2008, 11:53 AM
Either way, I think we know the answer to the question.

42?

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 11:54 AM
Good lord with the Hussein Obama dude, seriously. We get the point. You don't like him.

I like his middle name. Its a good, red blooded 'Merican name. Much better than Dubya IMO. :D

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 11:56 AM
Well, I can tell you this: I have no intention of voting for the guy (I'm still waiting for Ronald Reagan to rise from the grave and declare his candidacy), but I'm warning you: I could be bludgeoned about the head enough by that crap to change my vote to an Obama vote strictly based on annoyance.

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 11:56 AM
42?

The Battle of Gettysburg?

achiro
2/12/2008, 12:07 PM
Ronald Reagan never wore a lapel pin. Neither did Teddy Roosevelt. Or Abe Lincoln. Just because lapel pins are trendy now, doesn't mean they define who you are. If they do, then you're a loser. Questioning someone's patriotism based on whether or not they wear a lapel pin is why the terrorists hate us.
There is a HUGE difference between not wearing one (as you say with RR, TR, or AL) and having a REASON not to wear one, making a stand by NOT wearing one. If you folks don't see that then I am sad on my lapel.

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 12:12 PM
There is a HUGE difference between not wearing one (as you say with RR, TR, or AL) and having a REASON not to wear one, making a stand by NOT wearing one. If you folks don't see that then I am sad on my lapel.

If you don't agree with BOs reasoning for why he chooses not to wear one, I can appreciate that. I personally don't think a lapel pin is in any way shape or form the measure of a man. That's just the way I see it.

OklaPony
2/12/2008, 12:14 PM
You're only supposed to put your hand over your heart when your pledging allegiance.

You're not supposed to during the NA. You're just supposed to stand up, take your hat off and show respect. I see people doing it at games when the NA is played and I always wonder 'do they think that's right?' or 'do they do it because they want to?'. Not that either is bad...
For many years I thought the same as you. Just within the last year someone pointed out to me, much to my great surprise, that I was indeed mistaken. Check it out:

http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/ourflag/flaglaws1.htm

FLAG LAWS AND REGULATIONS


The laws relating to the flag of the United States of America are found in detail in the United States Code. Title 4, Chapter 1 pertains to the flag and seal, seat of Government and the States; Title 18, Chapter 33 pertains to crimes and criminal procedures; Title 36, Chapter 10 pertains to patriotic customs and observances. These laws were supplemented by Executive Orders and Presidential Proclamations.



Title 36, Chapter 10 PATRIOTIC CUSTOMS

§171. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner, conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.


§172. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.

BlondeSoonerGirl
2/12/2008, 12:18 PM
Yeah - bri's link says that, too but it also says that it's changed over the years.

Kinda confusing, really.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 12:19 PM
All I know is that when the anthem plays... ...TAKE OFF YOUR DAMN HAT!! :mad:

Pricetag
2/12/2008, 12:22 PM
All I know is that when the anthem plays... ...TAKE OFF YOUR DAMN HAT!! :mad:
And sing. We all suck, but that's no time to get embarrassed.

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 12:23 PM
All I know is that when the anthem plays... ...Yell SOONERS!!! as loud as you can at the end :mad:

fixed

achiro
2/12/2008, 12:25 PM
If you don't agree with BOs reasoning for why he chooses not to wear one, I can appreciate that. I personally don't think a lapel pin is in any way shape or form the measure of a man. That's just the way I see it.
The point I think you are missing is that HE is the one that has made it an issue of the measure of a man. Again, I don't always wear one when I wear a suit but its not a conscious decision NOT to, it may be as simple as I forgot to pack it. I agree with Obama when he says that actions mean things. The action of putting that pin on his lapel means something, the action of purposely NOT putting it there means something as well. I just can't figure out why he thinks there is a good enough reason not to.

bri
2/12/2008, 12:26 PM
fixed

Heh.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 12:29 PM
I disagree.

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 12:32 PM
dude, you said it.

OklaPony
2/12/2008, 12:32 PM
Yeah - bri's link says that, too but it also says that it's changed over the years.

Kinda confusing, really.
I guess the bottom is line is that it's personal preference as long as one shows respect. For me, I've only recently learned what the current code actually is (as quoted above), and started following it accordingly.

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 12:33 PM
I guess the bottom is line is that it's personal preference as long as one shows respect. For me, I've only recently learned what the current code actually is (as quoted above), and started following it accordingly.

Well, you should probably run for president then...

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 12:34 PM
No, I said DON'T yell "SOONERS!!" at the end. Your post doesn't make sense unless today is opposite day.

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 12:35 PM
It isn't?

****.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 12:35 PM
If it's opposite day I need to go back and edit an assload of posts.

colleyvillesooner
2/12/2008, 12:37 PM
heh

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 12:41 PM
Is it still OK to play with one's nips while singing the anthem??

sooner_born_1960
2/12/2008, 12:42 PM
just the left one.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 12:55 PM
Ronald Reagan (http://www.science.co.il/People/Ronald-Reagan/), Communist. Not a flag lapel pin to be seen. Shameful.

Dude come on. You know 9/11 changed everything. Now you have to wear the flag pin, otherwise the terrorists win. Man, you guys are slow. I bet some of you are still democrats, haven't you learned by now, only republicans and their policies defeat terrorism. All other parties and ways of thinking only let the terrorists win. I worry about some of you guys sometimes.

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 12:56 PM
I think folks should be a little concerned if someone is looking for a reason to not show patriotism. If BO has decided not to wear a lapel pin (or whatever) just to make a point, I'd have to ask what that point is. You're an elected official running for the highest office in the country; why not go ahead and wear it? What's the harm in it?

This really shouldn't even be an issue. People look to their "leader" for patriotism. A simple act of wearing an American flag pin goes a long way with a lot of people.

Rhino
2/12/2008, 12:58 PM
If any of these candidates were true Americans, they'd have their bodies painted red, white and blue from head to toe.

Or at least wear something like this:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3847/dsc5874aqwsaob9.jpg

Rhino
2/12/2008, 12:59 PM
Billy Madison: [shouting] Where's my snack pack?
Juanita: You got a banana, you don't need no snack pack.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 01:00 PM
haven't you learned by now, only republicans and their policies defeat terrorism.

Heh.

Of course, only one party seem intent to retreat against the likes of AQ. I think "the man we cannot call by his middle name" should opt for a white lapel pin at the very least.

Honest Abe
2/12/2008, 01:01 PM
his middle name is Hussein...just say'n

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 01:05 PM
If any of these candidates were true Americans, they'd have their bodies painted red, white and blue from head to toe.

Or at least wear something like this:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3847/dsc5874aqwsaob9.jpg


Exactly . . . buncha posers.

Rhino
2/12/2008, 01:05 PM
his middle name is Hussein...just say'n

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama OH MY GOD!

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m235/issilliuc/ruSerious.jpg

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 01:06 PM
Thanks Tubaabe.

My middle name is Tyler, yet I have no plans to annex Texas. Hope that helps.

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 01:07 PM
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj281/sooner_bob/photomatthew_lesko.gif

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 01:08 PM
Thanks Tubaabe.

My middle name is Tyler, yet I have no plans to annex Texas. Hope that helps.

Watch it you, or I shall be forced to subject ye to another typing of the middle name that cannot be said, evar!

Rhino
2/12/2008, 01:08 PM
My middle name is David.

You should check out my slingshot skillz.

SicEmBaylor
2/12/2008, 01:09 PM
:eek:

What I want to know is, why no love for Stalin or Mao????

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915_Che_Guevara_Flags_in_Obamas_Houston_O ffice&only

Barack Obama may have just lost me with that.

Having said that, he can't really control who puts up what at his local offices unless someone brings it up and he puts an end to it. He's likely never even been to his Houston office yet.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 01:10 PM
Barack Obama may have just lost me with that.

Having said that, he can't really control who puts up what at his local offices unless someone brings it up and he puts an end to it. He's likely never even been to his Houston office yet.

Paragraph one and paragraph two don't really jibe.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 01:11 PM
Hell yes. Someone finally used the word "jibe" correctly on this board. I has a happy.

bri
2/12/2008, 01:13 PM
Paragraph one and paragraph two don't really jibe.

Welcome to the topsy-turvy world of SicEmBaylor, Avowed Internet Fake.

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 01:15 PM
Barack Obama may have just lost me with that.

Having said that, he can't really control who puts up what at his local offices unless someone brings it up and he puts an end to it. He's likely never even been to his Houston office yet.

Its not so much that he would have that up there, its the fact he has "volunteers" like this following him around.

I think Ron Paul probably has a lot in common with "The Man whose Middle Name Cannot Be Mentioned". (or TMWMNCBM for short ;) )

SicEmBaylor
2/12/2008, 01:16 PM
Paragraph one and paragraph two don't really jibe.
Well, it depends on his reaction to this now that he should be aware of the situation. If Obama becomes the nominee, I am seriously considering voting for him over McCain. If he doesn't deal with this Che flag situation then there's no way I'm voting for him.

I hardly think he himself had anyone display Che flags, but it's his responsibility what staffers in his district campaign offices put up and how they conduct themselves.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 01:17 PM
I think folks should be a little concerned if someone is looking for a reason to not show patriotism. If BO has decided not to wear a lapel pin (or whatever) just to make a point, I'd have to ask what that point is. You're an elected official running for the highest office in the country; why not go ahead and wear it? What's the harm in it?

This really shouldn't even be an issue. People look to their "leader" for patriotism. A simple act of wearing an American flag pin goes a long way with a lot of people.

So by your reasoning, if he just gave up on his principles and wore the pin as a hallow gesture, you would feel better about him, right? I never wear a flag pin, I have one, but see no need in wearing it. What would be the point? So people know that I am an American? Well, I speak English and live here, if you don't think I am an American already I doubt some silly pin would change your mind. Oh, you say I should wear it to show my patriotism. Funny, I thought being involved in the political process was patriotic. And here I thought that by voting and being activly involved in deciding the future for my country was a true showing of patriatism. Guess I should start wearing that pin, les people start thinking me to be an America hater while I wait in line at my polling place. BTW, how many "true flag pin wearing American patriots" make it to the polls on average? Cause I was always taught that voting is the most basic of all civil duties.

SicEmBaylor
2/12/2008, 01:19 PM
I think Ron Paul probably has a lot in common with "The Man whose Middle Name Cannot Be Mentioned". (or TMWMNCBM for short ;) )

Well, then you're an idiot.

Ron Paul and Obama have absolutely NOTHING in common aside from their lack of support for the war. Obama's more an internationalist than Paul is even keeping in mind the fact that he wants to pull out of Iraq.

But you're dealing with an insurgent left-wing Presidential campaign. There's absolutely no way that you can expect these sort of people not to be present in either the campaign or just run-of-the-mill supporters.

I'm sure that Hillary has her fair share of Che admirers too, even if most of them are in the closet.

SicEmBaylor
2/12/2008, 01:23 PM
Here's the ironic thing about criticizing Obama for not wearing a lapel pin:

Back in the 1990's when Limbaugh had his television show he did an episode on this VERY subject. He comes out on stage with a lapel COVERED in various colored ribbons; he sarcastically pointed out that he cared more about the issues those ribbons represented simply by virtue of the fact that he was wearing them. A lot of conservatives (even Limbaugh himself) are criticizing him for the very point that Rush and others made in the past about those silly ribbons.

Same concept.

I couldn't give a damned if he wears a lapel flag or not. I'm more interested in seeing him show his patriotism through actions and not just symbols.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 01:28 PM
Wow. Good job, SicEm.

Mjcpr
2/12/2008, 01:32 PM
Hell yes. Someone finally used the word "jibe" correctly on this board. I has a happy.

I like the cut of his jibe.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 01:32 PM
Back in the 1990's when Limbaugh had his television show he did an episode on this VERY subject. He comes out on stage with a lapel COVERED in various colored ribbons; he sarcastically pointed out that he cared more about the issues those ribbons represented simply by virtue of the fact that he was wearing them. A lot of conservatives (even Limbaugh himself) are criticizing him for the very point that Rush and others made in the past about those silly ribbons.

Same concept.


No, no, no! You don't get it! All those ribbons were probably for sissy liberal causes like breast cancer or AIDS. Now we're talking 'bout 'Merica! It's only "political correctness" when the Democrats do it.

Widescreen
2/12/2008, 01:33 PM
Which party do you think all the neo-nazis and Idaho militia are gonna vote for? Is that any better? It's not like we have that many choices.
I'm not sure why you're arguing with me. If any of those types were campaigning for <insert Republican candidate here> and had posters of Hitler on the wall, I'd have the exact same opinion. What is the candidate going to do about it?

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 01:34 PM
No, no, no! You don't get it! All those ribbons were probably for sissy liberal causes like breast cancer or AIDS. Now we're talking 'bout 'Merica! It's only "political correctness" when the Democrats do it.

heh, Why do you hate 'Merica spek
:pop:

OklahomaTuba
2/12/2008, 01:38 PM
Well, then you're an idiot.

Ron Paul and Obama have absolutely NOTHING in common aside from their lack of support for the war. Obama's more an internationalist than Paul is even keeping in mind the fact that he wants to pull out of Iraq.

But you're dealing with an insurgent left-wing Presidential campaign. There's absolutely no way that you can expect these sort of people not to be present in either the campaign or just run-of-the-mill supporters.

I'm sure that Hillary has her fair share of Che admirers too, even if most of them are in the closet.

You missed the point by miles. Congrats.

Blue
2/12/2008, 01:44 PM
WHO!? WHO DOSENT VANT TO VEAR DA RRIBON!

http://www.siyumhaseinfeld.com/images/chars/streettoughs.jpg

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 01:47 PM
You missed the point by miles. Congrats.

No doubt. :rolleyes:

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 01:47 PM
So by your reasoning, if he just gave up on his principles and wore the pin as a hallow gesture, you would feel better about him, right? I never wear a flag pin, I have one, but see no need in wearing it. What would be the point? So people know that I am an American? Well, I speak English and live here, if you don't think I am an American already I doubt some silly pin would change your mind. Oh, you say I should wear it to show my patriotism. Funny, I thought being involved in the political process was patriotic. And here I thought that by voting and being activly involved in deciding the future for my country was a true showing of patriatism. Guess I should start wearing that pin, les people start thinking me to be an America hater while I wait in line at my polling place. BTW, how many "true flag pin wearing American patriots" make it to the polls on average? Cause I was always taught that voting is the most basic of all civil duties.

Wow. Glad I could help you take that giant leap.

Did I say he was Unamerican for not wearing it? I just ask why he has an issue with not wearing it. It makes no difference to me, but as you can tell by some of the responses here it does to others.

Consider this. You just purchased the Dallas Cowboys and folks look to you as the "leader" of this franchise. However, you refuse to wear a symbol showing some form of support. Wouldn't you find that just a little odd?

My reasoning asks why this would be a big deal and why decide not to wear it.

I have/had an American Flag pin that used to wear on my ID badge, but have lost it over the years and don't wear it anymore. Wearing the pin doesn't make you more American, I just can't figure out the reason not to wear it in his case while he's running for office.

Scott D
2/12/2008, 01:50 PM
This thread is full of amusement.

btw, not every state requires students to begin the school day with the Pledge of Allegiance.

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 01:53 PM
This thread is full of amusement.

btw, not every state requires students to begin the school day with the Pledge of Allegiance.


Yeah, but you almost live in Canada so your opinion doesn't count.

So take that out to your precious soccer field and score a goal.
























:P

SicEmBaylor
2/12/2008, 01:53 PM
This thread is full of amusement.

btw, not every state requires students to begin the school day with the Pledge of Allegiance.

I'm extremely conflicted on the issue of the pledge. I don't mean in schools -- I mean in general.

On the one hand, I think it's proper to openly show and pledge your loyalty to your nation. Children especially should be raised and taught this as a matter of their civic education. Having said that though, I have a serious issue with the pledge as it was written by a committed socialist and the 'indivisible' part.

I'd have absolutely no problem with the pledge if it were always given in conjunction with the pledge to your state flag.

Widescreen
2/12/2008, 01:57 PM
Having said that though, I have a serious issue with the pledge as it was written by a committed socialist and the 'indivisible' part.

I'd have absolutely no problem with the pledge if it were always given in conjunction with the pledge to your state flag.
While I'm a state-rights proponent too, I always crack up at your posts. In my mind I'm hearing "The South Shall Rise Again" anytime you post about this kind of thing. :D

Scott D
2/12/2008, 01:57 PM
Wow. Glad I could help you take that giant leap.

Did I say he was Unamerican for not wearing it? I just ask why he has an issue with not wearing it. It makes no difference to me, but as you can tell by some of the responses here it does to others.

Consider this. You just purchased the Dallas Cowboys and folks look to you as the "leader" of this franchise. However, you refuse to wear a symbol showing some form of support. Wouldn't you find that just a little odd?

My reasoning asks why this would be a big deal and why decide not to wear it.

I have/had an American Flag pin that used to wear on my ID badge, but have lost it over the years and don't wear it anymore. Wearing the pin doesn't make you more American, I just can't figure out the reason not to wear it in his case while he's running for office.

Bob, my perception of it is that it could be considered that by wearing it the concept is trying to "prove that I'm more American and love this country far more than you do, because you aren't wearing a pin!" Lord knows, that people in this country love to pull that kind of shenanigan.

I think it's been made a big deal by people who continually like to point out that he isn't wearing one. Looks like Obama said "ok this isn't why I'm wearing one" gave his little discussion on why, and left it at that. However, as in most cases, if a portion of the populace doesn't like that answer, they'll continue to ask "why why why" and continue to build up an ant hill until it's Mt. Kilimanjaro.

The more obvious thing, is that it's clearly given 'Obama Haters' another fake rallying point (as if you ever needed more than your original preconcieved reason to not vote for him). Which is part of another blatantly human failing in the species.

I also agree with the JohnnyMack argument that right now the flag pin is the 'trendy' thing to do. If you have to prove your patriotism and loyalty to the country by being trendy, then I'm ready for nuclear armageddon to start this very minute. Because clearly sanity has lost the war, and it's time to give the planet an enema.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 02:02 PM
Consider this. You just purchased the Dallas Cowboys and folks look to you as the "leader" of this franchise. However, you refuse to wear a symbol showing some form of support. Wouldn't you find that just a little odd?


Spending a brazillion dollars for the team isn't enough of a show of support?

Scott D
2/12/2008, 02:03 PM
I'm extremely conflicted on the issue of the pledge. I don't mean in schools -- I mean in general.

On the one hand, I think it's proper to openly show and pledge your loyalty to your nation. Children especially should be raised and taught this as a matter of their civic education. Having said that though, I have a serious issue with the pledge as it was written by a committed socialist and the 'indivisible' part.

I'd have absolutely no problem with the pledge if it were always given in conjunction with the pledge to your state flag.

I said the pledge every day from first grade up through 8th grade when I moved from Maryland to Hawaii. I didn't say it once while in Hawaii, at first it was odd not to do it, but there's nothing wrong with it. I also lived on a military base, so I'm sure that I stopped for reveille and taps more than a fair share of the people on this board who said the pledge right up through the day they graduated high school.

There are better ways to teach children their civic duties, and to assist in their preparation for life. Truthfully, nobody needs to say the pledge more than once in their lifetime.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 02:03 PM
Wow. Glad I could help you take that giant leap.

Did I say he was Unamerican for not wearing it? I just ask why he has an issue with not wearing it. It makes no difference to me, but as you can tell by some of the responses here it does to others.

Consider this. You just purchased the Dallas Cowboys and folks look to you as the "leader" of this franchise. However, you refuse to wear a symbol showing some form of support. Wouldn't you find that just a little odd?

My reasoning asks why this would be a big deal and why decide not to wear it.

I have/had an American Flag pin that used to wear on my ID badge, but have lost it over the years and don't wear it anymore. Wearing the pin doesn't make you more American, I just can't figure out the reason not to wear it in his case while he's running for office.

He has said why he decided not to wear it. I guarantee you that 90% of the politicians wearing them care more about getting reelected than they do about actually improving this country.

IMHO he sees wearing the silly pin as a hallow gesture. Consider this. You just buy the Atlanta Falcons, and to show your support for the team you just bought, you go around everywhere wearing an Atlanta Falcons jersey. It just happens to be a 7 jersey. You wear it because you know nothing about the history of the franchise, you wear it solely because you want the fans of the team you just bought to look at you and say "He loves the Falcons, he wears a Falcons jersey everywhere."

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 02:03 PM
Bob, my perception of it is that it could be considered that by wearing it the concept is trying to "prove that I'm more American and love this country far more than you do, because you aren't wearing a pin!" Lord knows, that people in this country love to pull that kind of shenanigan.

I think it's been made a big deal by people who continually like to point out that he isn't wearing one. Looks like Obama said "ok this isn't why I'm wearing one" gave his little discussion on why, and left it at that. However, as in most cases, if a portion of the populace doesn't like that answer, they'll continue to ask "why why why" and continue to build up an ant hill until it's Mt. Kilimanjaro.

The more obvious thing, is that it's clearly given 'Obama Haters' another fake rallying point (as if you ever needed more than your original preconcieved reason to not vote for him). Which is part of another blatantly human failing in the species.

I also agree with the JohnnyMack argument that right now the flag pin is the 'trendy' thing to do. If you have to prove your patriotism and loyalty to the country by being trendy, then I'm ready for nuclear armageddon to start this very minute. Because clearly sanity has lost the war, and it's time to give the planet an enema.

It's just a pin . . . wear it or don't. It won't make me vote or not vote you (him).

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 02:04 PM
He has said why he decided not to wear it. I guarantee you that 90% of the politicians wearing them care more about getting reelected than they do about actually improving this country.

IMHO he sees wearing the silly pin as a hallow gesture. Consider this. You just buy the Atlanta Falcons, and to show your support for the team you just bought, you go around everywhere wearing an Atlanta Falcons jersey. It just happens to be a 7 jersey. You wear it because you know nothing about the history of the franchise, you wear it solely because you want the fans of the team you just bought to look at you and say "He loves the Falcons, he wears a Falcons jersey everywhere."


See my reply to Scott . . . I don't care.

I love my skin . . . I wear it everywhere.

Scott D
2/12/2008, 02:06 PM
See my reply to Scott . . . I don't care.

I love my skin . . . I wear it everywhere.

I double dog dare you to cut your skin off and walk around outside :D

VeeJay
2/12/2008, 02:08 PM
Ok.. so someone enlighten me as to why Obama doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or put his hand over his heart during the Pledge? :confused:

George Bush doesn't care about black people. Haven't you heard? :D

Jerk
2/12/2008, 02:22 PM
this picture offers conclusive evidence that Obama is, in fact, a socialist. his first 100 days will feature the nationalization of all private industry, a 5 year plan, and the abolition of private property. :cool:

Civil War II

Scott D
2/12/2008, 02:24 PM
Yeah, but you almost live in Canada so your opinion doesn't count.

So take that out to your precious soccer field and score a goal.
























:P

oh and not only am I gonna score a goal, I'm gonna do a "Haha, Sooner Bob didn't do that and he still smells like Stillwater" dance :)

Jerk
2/12/2008, 02:26 PM
btw liberals...

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/che/dead-che.gif

CIA 1 Che 0

Octavian
2/12/2008, 02:29 PM
I agree with Tuba. :mad: :rolleyes: ;)



This thread is exactly why the Clintons are absolutely correct when they say Democratic voters are "taking a gamble" on Obama.


Once HRC is out of their way...the Right won't be gushing over Senator Barack Obama from Chicago. They'll be gashing Barry Hussein from Indonesia.



Barry Hussein wants to give drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants.

Barry Hussein wants to play nice with North Korea, Iran, and Chavez.

Barry Hussein grew up in a muslim school in Indonesia...the most populated Islamic nation on earth.

Barry Hussein admitted to using marijuana and cocaine....and he's a regular cigarette smoker.

Barry Hussein won't say the Pledge...won't put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem....won't use the American flag in his advertisements.

Barry Hussein won't even use the American flag in any of his advertisements....instead of our flag, Barry Hussein uses his own personal and completely new logo.

Barry Hussein attends a militant black church that requires all of its members to swear a "non-negotiable commitment to Africa." Barry Hussein has sworn an eternal allegiance to a foreign continent.

Barry Hussein is a radical black anti-war candidate that portrays himself as a charming moderate.



Add it all up....Barry Hussein is a radical internationalist. John McCain is a legendary American who gave his soul for the United States.



HRC would love to say all that right now but she's in an impossible spot. She's trapped between a Right-leaning press that hates her and a Left-leaning press that loves Obama. If she grills him in the progressive Democratic primaries....it will hurt her by making him seem more anti-Bush. Which...he very much is.


But no such luck for Obama in the general. He won't be able to just give motivational speeches for eight months....the shiny newness will wear off over the course of the year. His base will be increasingly marginalized as "cultish." And, regardless of what's happened up to this point....race and all those cultural FUBARs will end up being an enormous factor.


All those Red states that voted for him in January and February are gonna stay RED in November. They'll go McCain just like they went Bush. It's only about a few states....and NO ONE with that profile and name is gonna win Florida and Ohio in a general election (especially after failing to win them in the primaries).


John Sidney McCain III -- gonna be a big year.

Octavian
2/12/2008, 02:30 PM
oh...and "Barry Hussein will raise YOUR taxes."


Gonna be ugly.

C&CDean
2/12/2008, 02:36 PM
Damn dude, that was well thought out, cogent, and spot on. Where'd you say you went to school?

Octavian
2/12/2008, 02:40 PM
Rose State ;)

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 02:42 PM
He smoked weed? And did some coke? And admitted it?

BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!!

Blue
2/12/2008, 02:44 PM
http://www.luckythreadz.com/images/placeholder.gif

King Crimson
2/12/2008, 02:45 PM
he also got a couple hummers from a limo driver.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 02:47 PM
Obama has proven to be pretty teflon so far. He and Reagan share the quality of being very compelling public speakers who engender trust and effectively use the media to get their message out. That may be enough to suffer through the slings and arrows of detractors.

Personally, I thought the whole slumlord thing was going to do a lot more damage than it did.

This particular tempest in a teapot probably isn't going to resonate a great deal with people who had a chance in hell of voting for Obama in the first place.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 02:50 PM
He smoked weed? And did some coke? And admitted it?

BUSH HIM!!!!!!!!!!

fixed :D

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 02:50 PM
People love to look down upon anyone who has the nerve to be cautious about Obama's middle name and heritage. Do you think American's would have voted on anyone during WWII with the middle name Adolf, a German last name, whose father was from Germany, and who wanted us to withdraw from the war?

C&CDean
2/12/2008, 02:51 PM
He smoked weed? And did some coke? And admitted it?

BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!!

You mean like you fools tried with GWB?

And on a sidenote, my manhood appreciates the fact that you wore your headgear every night like the orthodontist told you to.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 02:51 PM
People love to look down upon anyone who has the nerve to be cautious about Obama's middle name and heritage.

People do tend to look down on idiots, that's correct.

Scott D
2/12/2008, 02:54 PM
I wasn't aware that we were at war with Nigeria.

Thanks.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 02:54 PM
People do tend to look down on idiots, that's correct.

I am cautious about you. I want to know what happened to Frozen Sooner!

Mjcpr
2/12/2008, 02:54 PM
People do tend to look down on idiots, that's correct.

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 02:55 PM
I wasn't aware that we were at war with Nigeria.

Thanks.

No, we are at war with the Muslims and the middle east, duh!

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 02:55 PM
People do tend to look down on idiots, that's correct.
You aren't as intellectually superior as you think you are. You didn't address the second part of my post.

Pricetag
2/12/2008, 02:55 PM
BTW, how many "true flag pin wearing American patriots" make it to the polls on average? Cause I was always taught that voting is the most basic of all civil duties.
Well, they usually give you the sweet little "I Voted" sticker at the poll, and let's just face it, wearing the pin and the sticker would be a bit much.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 02:56 PM
I wasn't aware that we were at war with Nigeria.

Thanks.

No, we're at war with people named "Barry."

I'M COMING FOR YOU, FLASH!

Tear Down This Wall
2/12/2008, 02:56 PM
Why is this so shocking? The guy's a Democrat. That's the closest thing to being a communist in America.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 02:57 PM
Wait a minute... ...I thought we were at war with mixed-race people from Illinois who have muslim-sounding middle names?

I'm so confused.

Blue
2/12/2008, 02:57 PM
http://www.luckythreadz.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=551&name=Cliche

limey_sooner
2/12/2008, 02:58 PM
I wonder how many people outraged about Obama's lack of a flag pin were outraged at George Bush actually signing (also known as defacing) small american flags for the swooning right wing hoards in the last election.

Scott D
2/12/2008, 02:59 PM
No, we're at war with people named "Barry."

I'M COMING FOR YOU, FLASH!

Is Barry from Nigeria? Doesn't he have like $100 Million for me if I'll deposit a cheque for $1000?

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 02:59 PM
You aren't as intellectually superior as you think you are. You didn't address the second part of my post.

The second part of your post didn't deserve addressing, as it was ludicrous in the extreme.

Ever hear of a guy named Eisenhower? What nationality do you think "Eisenhower" is? Recognizing, of course, that he was elected almost immediately after WWII, of course.

Scott D
2/12/2008, 03:01 PM
The second part of your post didn't deserve addressing, as it was ludicrous in the extreme.

Ever hear of a guy named Eisenhower? What nationality do you think "Eisenhower" is? Recognizing, of course, that he was elected almost immediately after WWII, of course.

not to mention he was from Kansas, which is almost like being from Germany anyway.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:02 PM
not to mention he was from Kansas, which is almost like being from Germany anyway.

Dude. His name is German. OBVIOUSLY a sleeper agent.

Didn't he preside over the Korean War truce? THERE CAN BE NO TRUCE WITH COMMUNISTS!

Scott D
2/12/2008, 03:04 PM
don't forget he green lighted not only D-Day, but the diversion that the Nazis fell for. Clearly it was a ploy to leave England wide open for an invasion.

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 03:07 PM
You mean like you fools tried with GWB?

And on a sidenote, my manhood appreciates the fact that you wore your headgear every night like the orthodontist told you to.

Pfft...I ain't got no problem with someone's recreational drug use in their past (neither should you) as I know I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to that. I actually want a POTUS who is real as opposed to yet another d00d in a suit. I didn't have a problem with W, in fact it made him much more likable in my opinion.

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:08 PM
The second part of your post didn't deserve addressing, as it was ludicrous in the extreme.

Ever hear of a guy named Eisenhower? What nationality do you think "Eisenhower" is? Recognizing, of course, that he was elected almost immediately after WWII, of course.

I asked a question about whether they would have voted a guy named Adolf during WWII. You didn't answer the question and resorted to name calling. Well, do you think they would have voted for him?

Eisenhower's family moved to the U.S. 200 years before WWII and changed the spelling of their last name. Nice reach though.

noleamite
2/12/2008, 03:11 PM
Where was the 9 page thread about this pic?
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/uploads/2/080123-khalil-bush.jpg

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 03:11 PM
People love to look down upon anyone who has the nerve to be cautious about Obama's middle name and heritage. Do you think American's would have voted on anyone during WWII with the middle name Adolf, a German last name, whose father was from Germany, and who wanted us to withdraw from the war?

Nice post. :rolleyes: Good fact checking. Maybe you should go back and edit it that for like Vietnam or something that doesn't make you look as silly.

Curly Bill
2/12/2008, 03:14 PM
OK. I'm hearing a bunch of stuff about how stupid/trivial/substance-lacking it is to wear a lapel pin of the American flag (not the "stars and bars" hatfield), and the people who are arguing this point keep bringing up the "substance" Obama is made of. Obama himself keeps bringing up "**** the flag, it's what's in my heart that matters."

OK, tell me, WTF is in your heart? How do you really feel about America? Are you just pandering to the young, dumb, and clueless voters out there and the anybody but Bush clan? Are you just pandering to the young, intelligent, but seriously lacking the true knowledge of the foundation of freedom crowd like bri, pg, mdklatt, etc?

Cause to me, Obama is pretty much just pimping. He's got a ho for every situation. He's got a ho for the blacks, a ho for the other minorities, a ho for the commies, a ho for the America haters, and a ho for the young children with heads full of sawdust.

When I wear a suit I wear the flag on my lapel. When they play the NA I stand very still, remove my headgear, and hold it over my heart. And you're damn ****ing straight I say the pledge of allegiance and include the "under God" section. Why? Because I'm not a spoiled little peckerhead who's had everything handed to me on a silver platter. I believe this is the greatest country in the history of the world, and I've spent my time defending her. If you wanna disrespect my commitment/love/duty/honor by poo pooing the NA or pledge or flag pin that's fine. Just don't do it around me, and don't expect me to vote for you.

:D :D :D

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 03:16 PM
Where was the 9 page thread about this pic?
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/uploads/2/080123-khalil-bush.jpg

HE ISN'T WEARING A RED TIE!!!!1! HE HATES REPUBLICANS!!!!1!

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:16 PM
Nice post. :rolleyes: Good fact checking. Maybe you should go back and edit it that for like Vietnam or something that doesn't make you look as silly.

What fact checking. I asked a question, why can't you just answer it instead of attacking?

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 03:20 PM
What fact checking. I asked a question, why can't you just answer it instead of attacking?

I'm not attacking anyone, I just think the post is silly in light of the fact that the person elected POTUS after WWII had an obviously German name.

Continue on with your Manchurian Candidate, tin foil hat theories.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 03:21 PM
What fact checking. I asked a question, why can't you just answer it instead of attacking?

So who do we vote for? English-descent, dude, they torched the White House! French...HELL NO! Latin? Spanish American war, duh. German, Italian, Asian? So soon we forget WWII! Native Americans? You ever see those westerns, injans were some violent folk! So what does that leave...I am so confused now:confused: :confused: :confused:

NormanPride
2/12/2008, 03:23 PM
10/10

This thread was genius. Best troll ever.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:23 PM
I asked a question about whether they would have voted a guy named Adolf during WWII. You didn't answer the question and resorted to name calling. Well, do you think they would have voted for him?

Eisenhower's family moved to the U.S. 200 years before WWII and changed the spelling of their last name. Nice reach though.

Even better! He's trying to HIDE his heritage!

Voted for who? A guy who has a name that vaguely sounds like some of the people we're fighting? Roosevelt is German Dutch.

Obama is a Nigerian name. We're not at war with Nigeria.

Hussein is a common name in Islam. According to our own president, we're not at war with Islam. We're at war with terrorism.

To take your "Adolf" analogy further, yeah, I don't think anyone's likely to vote for anyone named "bin Laden" anytime soon. Then again, if that's the only reason someone's voting against them, then they're an idiot that's being ruled by their emotions.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:25 PM
I'm not attacking anyone, I just think the post is silly in light of the fact that the person elected POTUS after WWII had an obviously German name.

Continue on with your Manchurian Candidate, tin foil hat theories.

Actually, I'm waiting for someone to start calling John McCain that soon. He was held captive for a long time by noted brainwashers.

(NOTE: No, I don't think John McCain was brainwashed.)

JohnnyMack
2/12/2008, 03:25 PM
So who do we vote for? English-descent, dude, they torched the White House! French...HELL NO! Latin? Spanish American war, duh. German, Italian, Asian? So soon we forget WWII! Native Americans? You ever see those westerns, injans were some violent folk! So what does that leave...I am so confused now:confused: :confused: :confused:

President John Smith.

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 03:26 PM
Spending a brazillion dollars for the team isn't enough of a show of support?


I knew that would come up . . . :rolleyes:

royalfan5
2/12/2008, 03:26 PM
Even better! He's trying to HIDE his heritage!

Voted for who? A guy who has a name that vaguely sounds like some of the people we're fighting? Roosevelt is German Dutch.

Obama is a Nigerian name. We're not at war with Nigeria.

Hussein is a common name in Islam. According to our own president, we're not at war with Islam. We're at war with terrorism.

To take your "Adolf" analogy further, yeah, I don't think anyone's likely to vote for anyone named "bin Laden" anytime soon. Then again, if that's the only reason someone's voting against them, then they're an idiot that's being ruled by their emotions.
Wasn't Obama's father Kenyan?

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 03:27 PM
oh and not only am I gonna score a goal, I'm gonna do a "Haha, Sooner Bob didn't do that and he still smells like Stillwater" dance :)


Dang . . . I moved over four months ago. You can still smell it? :eek:

bri
2/12/2008, 03:28 PM
(NOTE: No, I don't think John McCain was brainwashed.)

That's just what they want you to think!! :D

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:28 PM
Wasn't Obama's father Kenyan?

Possibly. Since we're at war with Kenya, I revoke my support.


Edit: Crap. You're right.

All aboard the McCain Train!

Curly Bill
2/12/2008, 03:33 PM
The point I think you are missing is that HE is the one that has made it an issue of the measure of a man.

Isn't he the candidate of change...or so he keeps reminding us? Maybe this is one small part of his plan: to say look at me, I'm different, I'm not gonna hold my hand over my heart, I'm gonna change the way things are done, I'm not gonna cave in and do this because others do it.

...then he says: I'm the man, I'm 40. :P

noleamite
2/12/2008, 03:33 PM
HE ISN'T WEARING A RED TIE!!!!1! HE HATES REPUBLICANS!!!!1!

He has a Flag on his Lapel though so give him a pass.:mad: :D

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 03:33 PM
Wasn't Obama's father Kenyan?

This Kenya (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/)?

Sooner_Bob
2/12/2008, 03:34 PM
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj281/sooner_bob/bush-all-your-base-are-belong-to-us.jpg

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:43 PM
Wasn't Obama's father Kenyan?

Mike is calling everyone idiots and being uber intelligent, never mind that his statements are wrong. A lot of "intellects" have this same disorder.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 03:44 PM
what does that matter? it's not like he's sitting down. I don't put my hand over my heart for the national anthem either. I also choose not to say the pledge of allegiance. so what?

Hey!! We won't have any of free speech free thinking autonomous crap on this message board Sparky!!! We’ll have you taken out behind the Legion hall and have your nose moved to the back of your face!!!!

Did I mention I do the same thing during the anthem/pledge? I have since about age 12. It coincides with not believing in invisible imaginary friends and reaching the age of reason. What is it called? Volition. That’s it. Backbone. Not being a robot. The people that get an underwear knot from this kind of zero importance event also get freaked by “wimmin’s libbers” and that other Commie atheist crap. What’s it called? Peace and love??? That’s the ticket. Crackers.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 03:46 PM
Mike is calling everyone idiots and being uber intelligent, never mind that his statements are wrong. A lot of "intellects" have this same disorder.

See, that's where you're completely off base.

I didn't call "everyone" an idiot. I called people who think that someone's given name is particularly relevant to their beliefs idiots.

If you happen to be one of those people, then, well, OK.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 03:47 PM
this picture offers conclusive evidence that Obama is, in fact, a socialist. his first 100 days will feature the nationalization of all private industry, a 5 year plan, and the abolition of private property. :cool:

Your statement offers proof that you speak before you think.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 03:56 PM
Its not the picture that offers the conclusive evidence, its his proposed tax plan to jack my federal income tax burden over 50%, because I am "Rich". Or his plan to limit free trade, which would hurt many small businesses, or his plan to increase taxes on energy companies to "Save" the environment, which will hurt everyone's pocket books.

And the fact he wants to force me to use government run health care, which works so well for our military and other countries.

He should stick to showing a little patriotism for his country instead of trying to show how "cool" he is with his little commie terroist flags and left-wing agenda.

Or, Hussein could just go ahead and keep beating Billary and let McCain have the WhiteHouse, which would be just fine with me anyway.


Wow! Did you get that disinformation off the back of a box of McCain Muffins or did you make them up all by your paranoid fear of a black planet self??

King Crimson
2/12/2008, 03:56 PM
Your statement offers proof that you speak before you think.

yeah...how so?

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:05 PM
OK, tell me, WTF is in your heart? How do you really feel about America? Are you just pandering to the young, dumb, and clueless voters out there and the anybody but Bush clan?


Bush is running again ??? Kill me now!!! Will we get freedom of speech back because it looks like if you try that around some people you're going to get beeotch slapped.
Oh and thank you General Generalizations.

sooner_born_1960
2/12/2008, 04:05 PM
Mike is calling everyone idiots and being uber intelligent, never mind that his statements are wrong. A lot of "intellects" have this same disorder.
Mike, are you calling everyone an idiot again? You better cut that out.

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 04:06 PM
Mike, are you calling everyone an idiot again? You better cut that out.

Heh. 'Cause I'm notorious for that. ;)

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:11 PM
There is a HUGE difference between not wearing one (as you say with RR, TR, or AL) and having a REASON not to wear one, making a stand by NOT wearing one. If you folks don't see that then I am sad on my lapel.

See my other posts regarding free speech you flouridated water drinking Commie!!! Peace On Earth. Essence Of Purity.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:13 PM
yeah...how so?

By speaking in generaliziations about specifics. If I have to explain it then your head will explode from the logic.Where's Robert Fripp?

Blue
2/12/2008, 04:15 PM
Your statement offers proof that you speak before you think.

It's called sarcasm, Sparky.

King Crimson
2/12/2008, 04:15 PM
By speaking in generaliziations about specifics. If I have to explain it then your head will explode from the logic.Where's Robert Fripp?


you do realize the post you are talking about was a joke. it doesn't appear that you do.

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 04:15 PM
See, that's where you're completely off base.

I didn't call "everyone" an idiot. I called people who think that someone's given name is particularly relevant to their beliefs idiots.

If you happen to be one of those people, then, well, OK.

Was your grandfather an idiot? Would he have voted for someone whose father was from Japan and whose middle name was Hireheko?

Frozen Sooner
2/12/2008, 04:17 PM
Was your grandfather an idiot? Would he have voted for someone whose father was from Japan and whose middle name was Hireheko?

No, he wasn't. Don't know if he would have or not. I do know that he was deeply ashamed of the way we treated people of Japanese descent in World War II.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:19 PM
I think folks should be a little concerned if someone is looking for a reason to not show patriotism. If BO has decided not to wear a lapel pin (or whatever) just to make a point, I'd have to ask what that point is. You're an elected official running for the highest office in the country; why not go ahead and wear it? What's the harm in it?

This really shouldn't even be an issue. People look to their "leader" for patriotism. A simple act of wearing an American flag pin goes a long way with a lot of people.


The sad thing is this has been made an issue. We have people losing their houses and their jobs. GM is declaring its biggest loss ever and will have more people working overseas in the next 10-15 years than in the U.S. You would think this was a non-election year with this kind of worthless agenda. Not to mention it appears that Dubya has a really bad case of gas in that one shot.

TUSooner
2/12/2008, 04:20 PM
:eek:

What I want to know is, why no love for Stalin or Mao????

****

If you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.

Just sayin.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:21 PM
you do realize the post you are talking about was a joke. it doesn't appear that you do.


Why would I think it was a joke? My reply is certainly extremely serious you rube!

royalfan5
2/12/2008, 04:24 PM
The sad thing is this has been made an issue. We have people losing their houses and their jobs. GM is declaring its biggest loss ever and will have more people working overseas in the next 10-15 years than in the U.S. You would think this was a non-election year with this kind of worthless agenda. Not to mention it appears that Dubya has a really bad case of gas in that one shot.
Most of GM's record loss is the write down of tax credits. Actual operating loss wasn't that bad, and GM is wildly profitable everywhere except American.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:24 PM
Thanks Tubaabe.

My middle name is Tyler, yet I have no plans to annex Texas. Hope that helps.


Yeah! What he said except Tyler isn’t my middle name. Would Saddam Insane have been less of a despot if his middle name was Gretchen? That is the thread of logic you have created Herr Tooba.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 04:25 PM
Was your grandfather an idiot? Would he have voted for someone whose father was from Japan and whose middle name was Hireheko?

Dude, you are making yourself look pretty bad so you might want to just tag out of this thread.

You are advocating being against someone just because of the ethnicity of their name. You said "Would someone vote for a person with an obvious German name after WWII?" Well Frozen brought up a good point, Eisenhower is a pretty obvious German name. Saying we should be suspicious of someone because of their name is akin saying we should be suspicious of someone because of the color of their skin, or their religion. It is just bad juju man.

Sooner_Havok
2/12/2008, 04:26 PM
Most of GM's record loss is the write down of tax credits. Actual operating loss wasn't that bad, and GM is wildly profitable everywhere except American.

Yeah, because they market fuel efficient cars outside the US

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:27 PM
Barack Obama may have just lost me with that.

Having said that, he can't really control who puts up what at his local offices unless someone brings it up and he puts an end to it. He's likely never even been to his Houston office yet.

Very similar to the amount of input he had towards his middle name when he was 16 hours old.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:36 PM
I'm not sure why you're arguing with me. If any of those types were campaigning for <insert Republican candidate here> and had posters of Hitler on the wall, I'd have the exact same opinion. What is the candidate going to do about it?

Mr. Godwin? Is that you?

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 04:41 PM
No, he wasn't. Don't know if he would have or not. I do know that he was deeply ashamed of the way we treated people of Japanese descent in World War II.


You and I both know he wouldn't have voted for them, you just can't admit it. My uncle (who actually fought in Okinawa) hated Japan with a passion. I thought it was weird, but I never had to fight them hand to hand in caves and see the way they treated those who tried to surrender. I bet most of our grandparent's would not have voted for a Japanese president. Some people seem to think we are at war, and it wasn't the Mormon's that flew into the World Trade Building. While it may be easy to call everyone idiots that are wary of his heritage, be careful, you may be treading on the memories of your ancestors.

leavingthezoo
2/12/2008, 04:42 PM
i'm scared of texans. because they're texans. :texan:

leavingthezoo
2/12/2008, 04:43 PM
and marshmallows.

leavingthezoo
2/12/2008, 04:45 PM
it sounds like i'm lumping marshmallows and texans into an all inclusive category, but i'm not. they're scary independently.

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 04:45 PM
Dude, you are making yourself look pretty bad so you might want to just tag out of this thread.

You are advocating being against someone just because of the ethnicity of their name. You said "Would someone vote for a person with an obvious German name after WWII?" Well Frozen brought up a good point, Eisenhower is a pretty obvious German name. Saying we should be suspicious of someone because of their name is akin saying we should be suspicious of someone because of the color of their skin, or their religion. It is just bad juju man.

Yeah, and I brought up the point that Eisenhower's family had lived in the US for 200 years. You both ignored that.

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:47 PM
Why is this so shocking? The guy's a Democrat. That's the closest thing to being a communist in America.

Yeah but you think the Berlin Wall is left field in old Komisky Park.

soonerinabilene
2/12/2008, 04:47 PM
See, that's where you're completely off base.

I didn't call "everyone" an idiot. I called people who think that someone's given name is particularly relevant to their beliefs idiots.

If you happen to be one of those people, then, well, OK.

In this guys case, his middle name is probably Waterhead, so he doesnt know better.;)

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 04:50 PM
Pfft...I ain't got no problem with someone's recreational drug use in their past (neither should you) as I know I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to that. I actually want a POTUS who is real as opposed to yet another d00d in a suit. I didn't have a problem with W, in fact it made him much more likable in my opinion.


You can want a real president in one hand and try to sh*t in the other. You know which you’ll get first.

Condescending Sooner
2/12/2008, 04:52 PM
Dude, you are making yourself look pretty bad so you might want to just tag out of this thread.

You are advocating being against someone just because of the ethnicity of their name. You said "Would someone vote for a person with an obvious German name after WWII?" Well Frozen brought up a good point, Eisenhower is a pretty obvious German name. Saying we should be suspicious of someone because of their name is akin saying we should be suspicious of someone because of the color of their skin, or their religion. It is just bad juju man.

I'm not advocating anything. I asked a question. Please show me where I said we SHOULD be wary of his name. Nice that you brought skin color into the discussion. I'm just saying a lot of people are cautious of his heritage and to call them all idiots might be referring to your own ancestors.

leavingthezoo
2/12/2008, 04:57 PM
SPREADING THE FEAR! SPREADING THE FEAR!

:texan: :texan: :texan: :texan: :texan: :texan:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c139/fourfret/marshmallows3_1024.jpg

Vaevictis
2/12/2008, 04:58 PM
Was your grandfather an idiot? Would he have voted for someone whose father was from Japan and whose middle name was Hireheko?

I'm quite certain my grandfather wouldn't have had a problem with that.

I'm quite certain my great-grandmother would have. And yeah, in that respect, she was an idiot.

RacerX
2/12/2008, 04:59 PM
that one marshmallow looks like Mike Wazowski.

He's not from Texas.

NormanPride
2/12/2008, 05:07 PM
that one marshmallow looks like Mike Wazowski.

He's not from Texas.

I can't tell. They all look the same to me. Does that make me confectionery-ist?

Oh, and I'm downgrading this thread's rating from 10/10 to 6/10 due to the inclusion of Animal Mother and Condescending Sooner. Not believable troll work at all. Bonus points for marshmallow fark, though.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 05:08 PM
Animal Mother. Time to reign it in. FOR REALZ.

leavingthezoo
2/12/2008, 05:17 PM
that one marshmallow looks like Mike Wazowski.

He's not from Texas.

I SAID THEY'RE SCARY INDEPENDENTLY! :mad:

Echoes
2/12/2008, 05:19 PM
I just read through all 12 pages. Work is so boring.

Anyways, Mike is right. I have heard a few of my friends bash BO for his middle name, but I just figured it was my retarded, unintelligent athelete friends.

Boy was I wrong. Would we have voted for a Jap in WWII... Really? Is this really even a question? I would hope in 50 years we have made a little progress concerning civil rights and that we could oh i don't know.... look past someones middle name? Good God.

Ridiculous.

By the way, McCain's middle name is Sydney. Obviously someone with a girl's name can't run a country. Barack's middle name is Hussein, and a Hussein has already ran a country. So I am voting for Barack.

Like my logic? This thread is full of it.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 05:20 PM
I SAID THEY'RE SCARY INDEPENDENTLY! :mad:

But then you used a bunch of ":texan:" with the marshmallow picture. It was confusing.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 05:22 PM
By the way, McCain's middle name is Sydney.

HE'S GONNA HAND US OVER TO THOSE DIRTY DRUNKEN AUSSIES! :eek:

Animal Mother
2/12/2008, 05:24 PM
I can't tell. They all look the same to me. Does that make me confectionery-ist?

Oh, and I'm downgrading this thread's rating from 10/10 to 6/10 due to the inclusion of Animal Mother and Condescending Sooner. Not believable troll work at all. Bonus points for marshmallow fark, though.

I'm taking my thread and going home. Let me guess. You're another wankur that thinks everything they post is the greatness because you have 8,000,000 posts because you aren't allowed to purchase a life with you bad credit? Your type is always the same. It's always about the marshmallows !!!
Well I wave my private parts in your general direction Captain Obvious.

Echoes
2/12/2008, 05:26 PM
Sadly, that is about the level of intelligence displayed here except for a select few, some I disagree with and some I agree with.

It's just sad that certain individuals will get x amount of votes because of their middle name. Why don't you guys just judge candidates by their shoe size, or how about how tall they were in 1976? I know my deciding factor will be if they can eat a whole bag of family size cheetos in one setting. Hell, it all makes as much sense as this thread.

BigRedJed
2/12/2008, 05:26 PM
I'm taking my thread and going home. Let me guess. You're another wankur that thinks everything they post is the greatness because you have 8,000,000 posts because you aren't allowed to purchase a life with you bad credit? Your type is always the same. It's always about the marshmallows !!!
Well I wave my private parts in your general direction Captain Obvious.
1) It's not YOUR thread.

2) You going home sounds like a GREAT idea right now. Come back when you've taken some deep breaths and decide that you can play a little nicer.

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 05:26 PM
I'm taking my thread and going home. Let me guess. You're another wankur that thinks everything they post is the greatness because you have 8,000,000 posts because you aren't allowed to purchase a life with you bad credit?


FYI, Alliance doesn't have a Runway 5.

leavingthezoo
2/12/2008, 05:28 PM
dont' worry NP, i'll set you up with a vLoan and we'll hook you up with a life in no time. [/this place is super weird today]

mdklatt
2/12/2008, 05:29 PM
It's just sad that certain individuals will get x amount of votes because of their middle name. Why don't you guys just judge candidates by their shoe size, or how about how tall they were in 1976?

I was going to vote based on who had the hottest wife, but Kucinich and Thompson both dropped out already.

NormanPride
2/12/2008, 05:32 PM
dont' worry NP, i'll set you up with a vLoan and we'll hook you up with a life in no time. [/this place is super weird today]

As long as it's not in Texas. A life in Texas is no life at all. :texan: