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Soonerus
2/8/2008, 11:28 PM
...will decide the presidential election this year...a good selection and he may win, a poor selection and he gets slaughtered...

sanantoniosooner
2/8/2008, 11:29 PM
I heard he's after Obama as a running mate.

Soonerus
2/8/2008, 11:30 PM
I heard he's after Obama as a running mate.

That would lock up the republican right wing...

Soonerus
2/8/2008, 11:43 PM
I think Romney is making the somewhat subtle play...

Rogue
2/8/2008, 11:46 PM
I think the Dem ticket decides the fate of the election this time.
Well, that and their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory even against nearly impossible odds. McCain is just hoping for a fuggup on the other side and that the "he's looney" whisper campaign won't rift through the GOP side again this time. Oh, and that the 3rd party will hurt the GOP more this time, especially if McCain is the nominee. The far right will be sandwiched between McCain and the libertarian views.

I'm tellin' ya it's the donkeys' to lose right now.

Soonerus
2/8/2008, 11:48 PM
I think the Dem ticket decides the fate of the election this time.
Well, that and their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory even against nearly impossible odds. McCain is just hoping for a fuggup on the other side and that the "he's looney" whisper campaign won't rift through the GOP side again this time. Oh, and that the 3rd party will hurt the GOP more this time, especially if McCain is the nominee. The far right will be sandwiched between McCain and the libertarian views.

I'm tellin' ya it's the donkeys' to lose right now.

Depending on the ticket, I agree...

Whet
2/8/2008, 11:49 PM
Come on guys! Have we already forgot the last Presidential Election? His running mate will be John Kerry! Afterall, McCain's gotta make up for dissin' Kerry by not taking the VP slot when he ran...

Soonerus
2/8/2008, 11:51 PM
Come on guys! Have we already forgot the last Presidential Election? His running mate will be John Kerry! Afterall, McCain's gotta make up for dissin' Kerry by not taking the VP slot when he ran...

w/t/f ???

SanJoaquinSooner
2/8/2008, 11:57 PM
Huckabee is on the list but the lesser known candidate is the gov of minnesota.

Whet
2/9/2008, 12:12 AM
I think he must select a VP that will help with the more conservative voters - get them motivated to vote for the ticket. You also must look at the EC states that will help ensure the ticket get the majority. There are specific states they will not carry, like CA, IL, and MA, so the other person must be a good draw for a region... I don't believe the MN gov will be on the ticket, because the Great Plains don't have that many blue states that would affect a shift in EC numbers. You may look towards the midwest states, like Ohio, Michigan, TN, KY.....

I don't think Mitt or Huckleberry will be selected....

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 12:25 AM
I think he must select a VP that will help with the more conservative voters - get them motivated to vote for the ticket. You also must look at the EC states that will help ensure the ticket get the majority. There are specific states they will not carry, like CA, IL, and MA, so the other person must be a good draw for a region... I don't believe the MN gov will be on the ticket, because the Great Plains don't have that many blue states that would affect a shift in EC numbers. You may look towards the midwest states, like Ohio, Michigan, TN, KY.....

I don't think Mitt or Huckleberry will be selected....It would be (future)political suicide for Mitt to accept VP under McCain. The reps haven't yet hit bottom.

Soonerus
2/9/2008, 12:29 AM
It would be (future)political suicide for Mitt to accept VP under McCain. The reps haven't yet hit bottom.

Rush, what is the answer ???

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 12:34 AM
Rush, what is the answer ???I just hope Romney or Thompson don't accept VP.(or any other conservative, for that matter, as that will likely spell the end of their future presidential aspirations)
For those who want McCain to be pres, he will only win if Obama is the dem nominee, IMO.

Soonerus
2/9/2008, 12:37 AM
I just hope Romney or Thompson don't accept VP.(or any other conservative, for that matter, as that will likely spell the end of their future presidential aspirations)
For those who want McCain to be pres, he will only win if Obama is the dem nominee, IMO.

I agree, Obama is the republicans best chance to recapture the White House..

Big Red Ron
2/9/2008, 12:51 AM
Colin Powell

Big Red Ron
2/9/2008, 01:00 AM
Mitt is begging for it behind the scenes. His argument is that he'll carry Michigan and maybe help in Wisconsin. Problem is that we lose southern states that are usually Republican due to apathy and low turn out. States like Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, with high numbers of Dems but trend Republican since Reagan could swing Dem.

In short, I don't think Romney has a shot because he's a not a social conservative. He could be be in the cabinet but no chance for VP.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 01:08 AM
Mitt is begging for it behind the scenes. His argument is that he'll carry Michigan and maybe help in Wisconsin. Problem is that we lose southern states that are usually Republican due to apathy and low turn out. States like Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, with high numbers of Dems but trend Republican since Reagan could swing Dem.

In short, I don't think Romney has a shot because he's a not a social conservative. He could be be in the cabinet but no chance for VP.Colin Powell would be a good "yes" man for mcCain. That ticket could definitely beat Obama. I still think Hellery would beat McCain-Powell. Who do you think she will pick for VPOTUS?

Whet
2/9/2008, 01:08 AM
Colin Powell

I don't belive it will be Colin... no upside.

Some names include: Thompson, Colburn, Mich Daniels, John Engler, Bill Frist, or Olevet

Big Red Ron
2/9/2008, 01:15 AM
I don't belive it will be Colin... no upside.

Some names include: Thompson, Colburn, Mich Daniels, John Engler, Bill Frist, or OlevetI dunno, in these danderous times a couple of military hero types might just be what we need to preserve our way of life. I think some skull cracking is in order.

Rogue
2/9/2008, 01:17 AM
I agree, Obama is the republicans best chance to recapture the White House..

See, I think Hillary is. If Obama and Richardson ticket-up and don't self destruct it could be all over. Because Obama's healthcare plan isn't "mandatory" like Hillary's. A couple groups you can't buck openly and survive. One of them is the AMA.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 01:29 AM
See, I think Hillary is. If Obama and Richardson ticket-up and don't self destruct it could be all over. Because Obama's healthcare plan isn't "mandatory" like Hillary's. A couple groups you can't buck openly and survive. One of them is the AMA.I think the issue of national security is what scares people away from Obama. Too many questions and fears about him on that issue, alone.

Soonerus
2/9/2008, 01:33 AM
I really believe Obama has no chance of electability...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 01:39 AM
I really believe Obama has no chance of electability...Even I would vote for McCain if Obama is the opponent.

olevetonahill
2/9/2008, 02:01 AM
This shat Just aint write
JM needs Rus . Olevet, Or RLIMC as a runnin Mate
Oh waite :confused: a Mate then It has to be rus :eek: :eek: :eek: :cool:

olevetonahill
2/9/2008, 02:04 AM
Even I would vote for McCain if Obama is the opponent.
Peeps Its Down to 3
JM ., BO or HC
Just as a WAG Im gonna say Im Votin JM
Just sayin
;)

NYC Poke
2/9/2008, 02:06 AM
Huckabee is on the list but the lesser known candidate is the gov of minnesota.


I'm a Democrat, but I think a McCain/Huckabee ticket would be a strong one. People seem to like Huckabee, his selection might bring back some of The Base, and he's proven himself to be an able campaigner.

Frozen Sooner
2/9/2008, 02:07 AM
See, I think Hillary is. If Obama and Richardson ticket-up and don't self destruct it could be all over. Because Obama's healthcare plan isn't "mandatory" like Hillary's. A couple groups you can't buck openly and survive. One of them is the AMA.

Not only do you think that, but the people at CPAC think so and so do most pundits.

Ruuuuuufus
2/9/2008, 02:09 AM
more people would show up to vote 'against' Hillary than Obama imo.

There's a group of people that probably wouldn't vote at all in a McCain vs. Obama race that would readily vote against Hillary.

Frozen Sooner
2/9/2008, 02:18 AM
more people would show up to vote 'against' Hillary than Obama imo.

There's a group of people that probably wouldn't vote at all in a McCain vs. Obama race that would readily vote against Hillary.

+1. Beyond that, Obama has more appeal to the centrists of both parties than Clinton does. I know plenty of Democrats that would vote McCain over Clinton but not Obama, while I also know plenty of Republicans who would vote Obama over McCain but not Clinton.

Obviously this is anecdotal and may not reflect the sentiment of the rest of the country, but there were literally hundreds of Republicans standing in line for over an hour at the Anchorage caucuses so they could change their party registration and caucus for Obama.

jthomasou78
2/9/2008, 04:43 AM
I think that McCain's running mate selection will be determined by who wins the democratic nominee.

If it's Hillary he doesn't need to shore up the conservative base. They will support him to avoid her becoming President. So I would guess Guiliani.

If it's Obama even though hes more liberal, he is not hated by the right like she is. So he will need Huckabee to be his running mate.

Jerk
2/9/2008, 09:42 AM
See, I think Hillary is. If Obama and Richardson ticket-up and don't self destruct it could be all over. Because Obama's healthcare plan isn't "mandatory" like Hillary's. A couple groups you can't buck openly and survive. One of them is the AMA.
I agree. I think the Pubs get slaughtered if it's Obama because he won't bring out the "anti-Hillary" crowd.

No one has ever ran for President with the negatives that Hillary has. Something like 40% of the populace will not vote for her "no matter what."

Everyone thinks that Obama is "a nice guy" (and a clean cut black man like Sen Joe Bidon said:)). Even though he's as liberal as Hillary, he doesn't polarize people like the Clintons do.

SoonerStormchaser
2/9/2008, 11:17 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. McCain needs Rudy if he has any prayer to win NY and most of the NE states. Rudy will win him a ****ton of votes on name recognition alone. Rudy's mistake in the primaries was placing all his chips on Florida and completely blowing off the rest of the pre-Florida primary states.

JohnnyMack
2/9/2008, 11:54 AM
I think the most logical Democratic VP candidate is someone like Mark Warner or Evan Byah.

I think the most logical Republican VP candidate is someone like Matt Blunt from Missouri (a midwestern, conservative with a solid economic background). Or, gasp, Fred Thompson. McCain will go conservative and I don't think you can eliminate Huckabee at this point either.

dolemitesooner
2/9/2008, 12:23 PM
...will decide the presidential election this year...a good selection and he may win, a poor selection and he gets slaughtered...
You know there should be a gawd damn show on the history channel about you. You can predict more **** than Nostradomous. I mean you are a regular every day ****ing Prophet.

You just add those silly little .... around everthing and its likes ****ing BAM THE TRUTH.


LET ME TRY THIS.


.....soonerrus will one day get banned again... unless he behavs.....

....saltines will have salt on them in the box....unless an accident happens...TRhat would be bad....

....penut butter goes gret with...jelly....

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 12:33 PM
You know there should be a gawd damn show on the history channel about you. You can predict more **** than Nostradomous. I mean you are a regular every day ****ing Prophet.

You just add those silly little .... around everthing and its likes ****ing BAM THE TRUTH.


LET ME TRY THIS.


.....soonerrus will one day get banned again... unless he behavs.....

....saltines will have salt on them in the box....unless an accident happens...TRhat would be bad....

....penut butter goes gret with...jelly....Your self-imposed banement has improved your posting!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 12:48 PM
I agree. I think the Pubs get slaughtered if it's Obama because he won't bring out the "anti-Hillary" crowd.

No one has ever ran for President with the negatives that Hillary has. Something like 40% of the populace will not vote for her "no matter what."

Everyone thinks that Obama is "a nice guy" (and a clean cut black man like Sen Joe Bidon said:)). Even though he's as liberal as Hillary, he doesn't polarize people like the Clintons do.Don't know about you , but Obama scares me on natl. defense, even more than Hellery and McCain do. We survived her hubby. I think the animosity toward McCain is stronger among (enough) republicans than it is toward Hellery. I do not want to reward McCain for his chicanery, dishonesty, and the socialism which he champions in the name of fairness.

olevetonahill
2/9/2008, 03:12 PM
Your self-imposed banement has improved your posting!
The Hollis Board wouldnt let Him in .

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 03:16 PM
The Hollis Board wouldnt let Him in .It's a requirement over there to know your ABC's.

jk the sooner fan
2/9/2008, 03:32 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. McCain needs Rudy if he has any prayer to win NY and most of the NE states. Rudy will win him a ****ton of votes on name recognition alone. Rudy's mistake in the primaries was placing all his chips on Florida and completely blowing off the rest of the pre-Florida primary states.

yeah because rudy's campaign in florida was such a smashing success huh?

he might be the next AG

Whet
2/9/2008, 03:50 PM
+1. Beyond that, Obama has more appeal to the centrists of both parties than Clinton does. I know plenty of Democrats that would vote McCain over Clinton but not Obama, while I also know plenty of Republicans who would vote Obama over McCain but not Clinton.

The country doens't know Obama yet. All they see is this new person that can get a crowd. They don't know he is the most liberal Senator - even more the Teddy! His "record" on national defense is sorely lacking and shows no signs of standing up to the radical Islamic fundamentalists. It is interesting to note his oldest brother, Abongo Obama, believes that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture. Some of the same rhetoric spewed by the fundamentalists in the Middle East! (refer to this story (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545461,BSX-News-wotreex09.article)).

Nor, will his liberal economic policies - mainly redistribution of weath -endear him to the centerists.

His voting history really indicates his positions - and he is NOT a moderate anything. Take a look at some of his votes at this website (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18967)to get an idea.

I would suggest the Repubs were switching affiliation to vote for Obama not because of his appeal, but rather to ensure he is the Dems candidate!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2008, 04:19 PM
The country doens't know Obama yet. All they see is this new person that can get a crowd. They don't know he is the most liberal Senator - even more the Teddy! His "record" on national defense is sorely lacking and shows no signs of standing up to the radical Islamic fundamentalists. It is interesting to note his oldest brother, Abongo Obama, believes that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture. Some of the same rhetoric spewed by the fundamentalists in the Middle East! (refer to this story (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545461,BSX-News-wotreex09.article)).

Nor, will his liberal economic policies - mainly redistribution of weath -endear him to the centerists.

His voting history really indicates his positions - and he is NOT a moderate anything. Take a look at some of his votes at this website (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18967)to get an idea.

I would suggest the Repubs were switching affiliation to vote for Obama not because of his appeal, but rather to ensure he is the Dems candidate!You got it! I was seriously going to switch to dem to vote for Obama in the primary, but got lazy, and stayed repub. Never in my wildest nightmares did I think Mccain would win the repub nomination. I am hoping for a Hellery primary win, and we can get some experience in full-blown liberalism.

Frozen Sooner
2/9/2008, 04:25 PM
The country doens't know Obama yet. All they see is this new person that can get a crowd. They don't know he is the most liberal Senator - even more the Teddy! His "record" on national defense is sorely lacking and shows no signs of standing up to the radical Islamic fundamentalists. It is interesting to note his oldest brother, Abongo Obama, believes that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture. Some of the same rhetoric spewed by the fundamentalists in the Middle East! (refer to this story (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545461,BSX-News-wotreex09.article)).

Nor, will his liberal economic policies - mainly redistribution of weath -endear him to the centerists.

His voting history really indicates his positions - and he is NOT a moderate anything. Take a look at some of his votes at this website (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18967)to get an idea.

I would suggest the Repubs were switching affiliation to vote for Obama not because of his appeal, but rather to ensure he is the Dems candidate!

I would suggest that you actually speak to some Republicans who voted for Obama. I did. Anecdotal only, of course, but none of them said they were voting solely so they didn't have to face Clinton in the general election. All of them said that they believe in Obama's message.

I did not say that he was the most centrist nor did I say he's a moderate. I said that he appeals to more centrist voters than Clinton does. If you doubt that, then you're not paying attention. Keep playing the same old radical card though. We'll see if it serves the Republicans well in yet another election-though signs are showing that it isn't. Your own party rejected the candidate of marginalization.

I don't actually care what Obama's brother says. I'm not voting for his brother.

Whet
2/9/2008, 04:48 PM
I would suggest that you actually speak to some Republicans who voted for Obama. I did. Anecdotal only, of course, but none of them said they were voting solely so they didn't have to face Clinton in the general election. All of them said that they believe in Obama's message.

I did not say that he was the most centrist nor did I say he's a moderate. I said that he appeals to more centrist voters than Clinton does. If you doubt that, then you're not paying attention. Keep playing the same old radical card though. We'll see if it serves the Republicans well in yet another election-though signs are showing that it isn't. Your own party rejected the candidate of marginalization.

I don't actually care what Obama's brother says. I'm not voting for his brother.

As I said, once Obama's record becomes known, he will not appeal to the centrist voters of both parties. If he gets the nomination, he will need to win over the independents and centrists. The radical left makes up less than 20% of the actual voters, so he has to get is votes from somewhere.

In his national security weakness, particularly towards radical islam, he has made the statements about not being engaged in the middle east. Some may believe he may have a more difficult time trying to crack down on the radical islamic element, when his own brother espouses the radical mantra! There is no "radical card," only knowledge about the Obama family. The Americal public has not been educated on Obama - once he is known, I would believe most independent minded voters would not want his as their President.... Educating the public is not marginalization.....

r5TPsooner
2/9/2008, 04:53 PM
I think Romney is making the somewhat subtle play...


If they can put egos aside it would probably be the strongest GOP ticket.

Frozen Sooner
2/9/2008, 04:54 PM
You mean "educating" the public by insinuating that he's a Muslim or sympathetic to terrorism?

He has certainly stated that he wants to end the war in Iraq. That's something I believe most centrists can get behind.

Zbird
2/9/2008, 05:10 PM
Anyone see McCain's pic with former OK gov Frank Dilantin Keating. There's your darkhorse running mate. He's conservative enough to entice a few wingers.

I'm thinkin' Hillary/Richardson vs McCain/ Dilantin

Whet
2/9/2008, 05:20 PM
You mean "educating" the public by insinuating that he's a Muslim or sympathetic to terrorism?

He has certainly stated that he wants to end the war in Iraq. That's something I believe most centrists can get behind.

Who's insuating he is a muslim? His oldest brother IS a muslim AND has espoused radical ideas.

All Americans want the war in Iraq to end, it just the manner is which it is accomplished. The Obama method of packing up and going home, base on an arbitrary date, is not what a majority of Americans agree, let alone the centrist voters.

America will be educated on Obama's voting record, his political ideas, and his vision for America. It is my belief the majority of American voters will NOT agree with his or his ideas.

Jimminy Crimson
2/9/2008, 06:25 PM
yeah because rudy's campaign in florida was such a smashing success huh?

he might be the next AG

Exactly. He'd be a great AG.

stoopified
2/9/2008, 06:31 PM
I look for it to be Huckabee.That would rally support from the Moral Majority and other conservatives in the GOP.

r5TPsooner
2/9/2008, 07:05 PM
I look for it to be Huckabee.That would rally support from the Moral Majority and other conservatives in the GOP.


I'd love to see that but I doubt that it happens.

jk the sooner fan
2/9/2008, 07:47 PM
i dont see Keaton being selected, he's been out of the immediate public eye for too long

Soonerus
2/9/2008, 08:11 PM
I'd love to see that but I doubt that it happens.

I agree...

Jerk
2/9/2008, 08:26 PM
Anyone see McCain's pic with former OK gov Frank Dilantin Keating. There's your darkhorse running mate. He's conservative enough to entice a few wingers.

I'm thinkin' Hillary/Richardson vs McCain/ Dilantin
Richardson isn't idealogically pure enough for Hillary.

Wait...maybe you're right, here. We're talking about the V.P. who has virtually no power.