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SanJoaquinSooner
2/1/2008, 11:13 AM
Romney: McCain used Nixon-like tactics

By GLEN JOHNSON, Associated Press WriterThu Jan 31, 6:04 PM ET

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney accused his rival John McCain of adopting underhanded tactics from Richard Nixon, the GOP president who resigned in disgrace.

"I don't think I want to see our party go back to that kind of campaigning," Romney said in his most pointed rebuttal yet to front-runner McCain's claim that the former Massachusetts governor favors a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. Romney denies this charge and most media analyses have concluded that Romney wasn't using `timetable' in the same way Democratic candidates have.

McCain's decision to level the timetable charge this week without leaving Romney time to rebut it before Florida Republicans voted in their primary "was reminiscent of the Nixon era," Romney said. McCain ended up winning the Florida contest Tuesday.

Despite the incendiary reference to Nixon, Romney said of McCain: "I think he's a man of character." But he added: "I think he took a sharp detour off the `Straight Talk Express,'" - the name of the Arizona senator's campaign bus.

McCain adviser Steve Schmidt responded that Romney "is lashing out because he's unable to defend his comments about a timeline, albeit a secret one ... . John McCain has simply pointed out a fundamental difference between them at the time when John McCain was advocating a strategy for victory."

A prominent Romney surrogate, former House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois, also chimed in Thursday with a reference to McCain's own scandal history. Hastert told reporters that he had worked with McCain on legislation early in his congressional career but "after the Keating Five scandal, he changed." By contrast, Hastert said Romney has "never been involved in scandal."

McCain was one of five senators involved in the Keating Five savings-and-loan scandal. The Senate Ethics Committee cited McCain for "poor judgment" but recommended no further action.

Both camps readied ad campaigns for the Super Tuesday contests in 21 states. Both called the buys significant, but it was not immediately clear just how far-reaching they would be.

At this point, Romney is preparing to run between $2 million and $3 million for five days of ads in most media markets in California and either on cable channels or local networks targeted to other key states, according to aides with knowledge of the deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the plans were not final.

McCain aides said he, too, was preparing to run a high volume of commercials on national cable channels and in key states.

But was no immediate dollar figure for McCain's buys and no detail on where Romney's spending will land. A substantial weeklong broadcast campaign throughout California can cost $3 million or more. Running ads coast to coast is even more expensive, so both campaigns were choosing states or districts they think they can win.

Romney is trying to get back on track after two losses to McCain in South Carolina and Florida. The Florida victory gave McCain a lead in the delegate count as well as the momentum in the GOP race.

After seven contests, Romney is down 83-59, with 1,191 delegates needed for the nomination and 1,023 at stake Tuesday.

California offers 170 delegates Tuesday; candidates are awarded three for each congressional district they win. McCain is leading in California polls, but Romney aides think he can win some districts.

Romney will run an ad in California starting Friday in which he portrays himself as the Republican most able to take on Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Democratic front-runner.

"She hasn't run a corner store. She hasn't run a state. She hasn't run a city," Romney says in the ad. "I have spent my life running things. I've learned how to run a business. I've learned how to run a state. I ran the Olympics. In each case I've brought change."

During a news conference later Thursday, Romney predicted he, not McCain, would benefit when GOP voters think about the general election. "People are going to stop and say, `Who is going to post-up best against Hillary Clinton, who is going to post up best against Barack Obama, who can talk about change, who can talk about the future, who represents the past, and who represents the future?'"

Romney's strategy calls for seeking votes in states with heavy concentrations of Romney's fellow Mormons: California, Arizona, and Utah, home of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Romney, trying to become the first Mormon elected president, will attend the funeral of the church President Gordon B. Hinckley on Saturday in Utah. He will also campaign Friday in Colorado, followed by visits to Minnesota, Illinois and Missouri, key midwestern battlegrounds. In Missouri, a classic swing state, Romney enjoys the strong support of Gov. Matt Blunt.

Also on the tentative schedule were Tennessee and Georgia, Southern states where Romney has shown strength. Romney was likely to bypass delegate-rich New York and New Jersey after former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani decided to drop out of the race and support McCain.

Romney's home state of Massachusetts also votes Tuesday. His campaign tentatively planned to receive the Super Tuesday returns there. If he were to fail, Boston would be the most likely sight of his campaign goodbye.

Along with targeted ads, McCain is planning to rely on momentum and "free" news coverage that comes with it by holding rallies and news conferences in California and big winner-take-all delegates states, including New York and Illinois. McCain picked up the endorsement of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday, an event sure to garner loads of publicity.

With winner-take-all states his first priority, McCain's tentative travel schedule calls for him to travel coast to coast for general-election style rallies in Missouri, Illinois, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York.

SoonerBorn68
2/1/2008, 11:39 AM
SB68 accuses SJS of being a liberal moran.

85Sooner
2/1/2008, 11:44 AM
SB68 accuses SJS of being a liberal moran.

AND 85S agrees with SB68

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 11:49 AM
Poor Mitt. I don't dislike him but you can tell he's losing his mind right about now.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 11:52 AM
I mean, he said that in California and Nixon is FROM CALIFORNIA!

Sheesh

SanJoaquinSooner
2/1/2008, 12:21 PM
SB68 accuses SJS of being a liberal moran.
AND 85S agrees with SB68

Come on ladies, is that all you got?

sooneron
2/1/2008, 12:35 PM
There are states with heavy concentrations of mormons other than Utah?

yermom
2/1/2008, 12:46 PM
Idaho, Hawai'i?

jeremy885
2/1/2008, 12:47 PM
There are states with heavy concentrations of mormons other than Utah?

Nevada?

Scott D
2/1/2008, 01:03 PM
I accuse Romney of being named Willard.

Octavian
2/1/2008, 01:08 PM
Bill and Hillary would use him for target practice.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 02:29 PM
There are states with heavy concentrations of Mormons other than Utah?
Well, I understand there are many in the Chihuahua, Mexico Area.

Mitt's great grand daddy had five wives and moved down there to escape persecution.

Ironically, the real reason that Mitt is the first Romney to run for President is that his Dad was born down there and ineligible to be POTUS.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 02:35 PM
Romney's great-great-grandfather Parley P. Pratt, an apostle in the church, had 12 wives. In an 1852 sermon, Parley P. Pratt's brother and fellow apostle, Orson Pratt, became the first church official to publicly proclaim and defend polygamy as a direct revelation from God.

soonerhubs
2/1/2008, 02:37 PM
Well, I understand there are many in the Chihuahua, Mexico Area.

Mitt's great grand daddy had five wives and moved down there to escape persecution.

Ironically, the real reason that Mitt is the first Romney to run for President is that his Dad was born down there and ineligible to be POTUS.
I'm sure you have a point to this post but I'm not getting it clearly here.

soonerhubs
2/1/2008, 02:38 PM
Romney's great-great-grandfather Parley P. Pratt, an apostle in the church, had 12 wives. In an 1852 sermon, Parley P. Pratt's brother and fellow apostle, Orson Pratt, became the first church official to publicly proclaim and defend polygamy as a direct revelation from God.
Oh, I see now. It's an attack on Mormonism.

Not very classy if you ask my opinion.

What's your religion so I can knock a few holes in it?

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 02:41 PM
Oh, I see now. It's an attack on Mormonism.

Not very classy if you ask my opinion.
I'm not attacking. He and his family have a right to their beliefs. Look at the original post I replied to. It was a tounge in cheek response to that question.

soonerhubs
2/1/2008, 02:43 PM
I'm not attacking. He and his family have a right to their beliefs. Look at the original post I replied to. It was a tounge in cheek response to that question.
It looked more like an underhanded segue to bring up more about Romney's religion, and it's getting old.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 02:44 PM
It looked more like an underhanded segue to bring up more about Romney's religion, and it's getting old.Ah, he's yesterday's news anyway. What do I care?

soonerhubs
2/1/2008, 02:45 PM
Ah, he's yesterday's news anyway. What do I care?
You care enough to look up stuff on Romney's family. That's all.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 02:47 PM
You care enough to look up stuff on Romney's family. That's all.
Well, it was the topic of the thread that someone else started. What are sittin on a couple of wives too?

picasso
2/1/2008, 02:50 PM
Bill and Hillary would use him for target practice.
and smear him in the process.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 02:51 PM
and smear him in the process.The thought of being smeared by the Clintons makes me feel dirty inside.

soonerhubs
2/1/2008, 02:57 PM
Well, it was the topic of the thread that someone else started. What are sittin on a couple of wives too?
No, I'm not. Nor is any member in good standing today, but thanks for asking. The topic of polygamy came up exclusively on your part, and I felt that your motivations were to scare people away from Romney. Maybe I'm wrong.:pop:

r5TPsooner
2/1/2008, 03:01 PM
It looked more like an underhanded segue to bring up more about Romney's religion, and it's getting old.


Look at the source and that should answer your question.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 03:20 PM
No, I'm not. Nor is any member in good standing today, but thanks for asking. The topic of polygamy came up exclusively on your part, and I felt that your motivations were to scare people away from Romney. Maybe I'm wrong.:pop:
I'm just funnin around. I didn't mean to belittle anyone's religion, especially yours since I didn't know you were a Mormon.

Sorry man.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 03:23 PM
Look at the source and that should answer your question.
That's a compliment, right?


















I mean, from you and all.

soonerhubs
2/1/2008, 03:23 PM
I'm just funnin around. I didn't mean to belittle anyone's religion, especially yours since I didn't know you were a Mormon.

Sorry man.
I appreciate that, and I forgive you. I suppose, I need to not be so defensive as well. So in that spirit, I apologize to you.

Civicus_Sooner
2/1/2008, 03:32 PM
I appreciate that, and I forgive you. I suppose, I need to not be so defensive as well. So in that spirit, I apologize to you.Really, I am ignorant of the Mormon faith and that is my fault. You must admit, if you were like me, looking at it from the outside 12 wives sounds kinda fun and a little odd, but mostly fun.

Really, I am sorry. For my next act I think I start out with some negro jokes. :D Just kidding people.

SoonerBorn68
2/1/2008, 04:52 PM
Come on ladies, is that all you got?

It's all I needed.

jeremy885
2/1/2008, 04:53 PM
Really, I am ignorant of the Mormon faith and that is my fault. You must admit, if you were like me, looking at it from the outside 12 wives sounds kinda fun and a little odd, but mostly fun.


If you're not married, one is enough. If you are, you should know better.

Flagstaffsooner
2/1/2008, 05:05 PM
I'm just funnin around. I didn't mean to belittle anyone's religion, especially yours since I didn't know you were a Mormon.

Sorry man.Ain't been around these parts long have you, n00b?;)

mrssoonerhubler
2/1/2008, 05:38 PM
Really, I am ignorant of the Mormon faith and that is my fault. You must admit, if you were like me, looking at it from the outside 12 wives sounds kinda fun and a little odd, but mostly fun.

Really, I am sorry. For my next act I think I start out with some negro jokes. :D Just kidding people.


Yup. About as funny as Jacob and King David in the bible. Those guys are hilarious.

Flagstaffsooner
2/1/2008, 05:46 PM
Yup. About as funny as Jacob and King David in the bible. Those guys are hilarious.Over my head.

BTW , TY Thunder.....wherever and whoever you are now.

soonerinabilene
2/1/2008, 05:59 PM
Thank God none of the front runners are scientologists.

Flagstaffsooner
2/1/2008, 06:09 PM
Really, I am sorry. For my next act I think I start out with some negro jokes. :D Just kidding people.That wasnt me who negged you. If I had you wouldnt have green.

olevetonahill
2/1/2008, 09:49 PM
Over my head.

BTW , TY Thunder.....wherever and whoever you are now.
Spek Me sos Me and Flag can spek Ya back ;)

SanJoaquinSooner
2/1/2008, 10:01 PM
From National Review:

*** Post-Mortem Preview? With Mitt Romney on the ropes, the post-mortems are inevitable; call them O-Mitt-uaries.

Anyway, we're starting to hear from a lot of smart Republican strategists about what happened. And the thing that everyone seems to come back to is Romney's religion. Why? Ask yourself: Without the issue of Romney's religion, does Mike Huckabee ever take off? Because Mike Huckabee is the single biggest obstacle to Romney coalescing economic and social conservatives behind him to take on McCain. Take a close look at the Florida results by county from Tuesday night. In more than half of Florida's 67 counties (37 to be exact), the Romney-Huckabee combined vote total equaled or surpassed 50%. And in those counties, 17 of them tipped to McCain. Well, extrapolate this out to, say, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee or Georgia this Tuesday. Will the combined Romney-Huck total surpass 50% while delivering all four states to McCain?

Now, if Romney hadn't given evangelicals second thoughts simply over his religion, would Mike Huckabee have happened? It may be Romney needs another four years to convince evangelicals his religion won't interfere with their priorities.

Whet
2/1/2008, 10:17 PM
Mitt's father

http://media.npr.org/politics/politicaljunkie/2007/feb/romney140.jpg

Big Red Ron
2/1/2008, 10:18 PM
Yup. About as funny as Jacob and King David in the bible. Those guys are hilarious.oh dear Lord

Whet
2/1/2008, 10:22 PM
Ironically, the real reason that Mitt is the first Romney to run for President is that his Dad was born down there and ineligible to be POTUS.

1968 - George Romney was candidate for President (Mitt's father)

.... Nixon won the election

soonerhubs
2/1/2008, 10:24 PM
oh dear Lord
Werd. My 1st wife has spoken. ;)

SanJoaquinSooner
2/1/2008, 10:34 PM
Romney concedes Northeast to McCain

By GLEN JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer
4 minutes ago



DENVER - Republican Mitt Romney is conceding the bulk of the Northeast to rival John McCain, counting instead on his home state of Massachusetts, a split in California and wins in a series of caucus states to extend his presidential campaign beyond Super Tuesday.



Missing from Romney's latest campaign schedule were winner-take-all states of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, which account for 180 of the 1,023 delegates at stake. The omissions were telling with voting in 21 GOP contests on Tuesday.

Big Red Ron
2/2/2008, 08:05 AM
1968 - George Romney was candidate for President (Mitt's father)

.... Nixon won the electionYes but part of why he lost was because of the debate about his eligibility (i looked it up).

LosAngelesSooner
2/2/2008, 02:47 PM
1968 - George Romney was candidate for President (Mitt's father)

.... Nixon won the election
That's JUST what we need: another over-privileged son trying to prove himself by besting his father at something his father failed at. :rolleyes:

Ugh...

:mack:

soonerhubs
2/2/2008, 03:42 PM
That's JUST what we need: another over-privileged son trying to prove himself by besting his father at something his father failed at. :rolleyes:

Ugh...

:mack:
Are you calling Mitt Romney the Chris Simms of Politics? ;)