Sin or not?

[MamaMia]

Is it actually a sin to speak ill of the dead, or just really bad manners, or neither in some cases?

[StoopTroup]

I don't think it's a sin if it's true.

I mean...if you were writing a book on Adolf Hitler and you only wrote about his good side...

[Flagstaffsooner]

So who are you talking bad about?

[StoopTroup]

If it makes you feel bad about yourself...it might be a sin though.

I think that we always feel bad when we let our lips flap without thinking.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Momma always said, if'n ya don't have anything good to say....damn, I forget the rest.

[LoyalFan]

Is it actually a sin to speak ill of the dead, or just really bad manners, or neither in some cases?

So, are you sayin' you're dead and someone dissed you? The cad!
BTW, if so, you type well...considering.

LF

[Whet]

I can think of several deceased arses that should be spoken ill of in any context.....

[GottaHavePride]

I speak ill of Fred Phelps now, I'll sure as hell continue to do so when his *** is dead.

[walkoffsooner]

onlY if your preaching the funeral.

[MamaMia]

So who are you talking bad about?Nobody. I was just curious as to whether or not it was in the bible. I tried to look it up in my religions bible, but I didn't have any luck. :)

[Ash]

Nobody. I was just curious as to whether or not it was in the bible. I tried to look it up in my religions bible, but I didn't have any luck. :)

In some societies it's taboo to speak the name of the deceased much less speak ill about them.

[Jerk]

I know for a fact that it is forbidden in the Bible to try and communicate with 'the dead,' but I don't know about speaking ill of the dead.

If you can speak to the dead, then they're not dead, they're alive, somewhere. How can you speak to someone who's dead if they're dead? It's like people who say 'my grandma is dead and she's in Heaven!" Well, if'n she's in Heaven, she's ain't dead. Argh...sidetracked again, sorry.

[Mjcpr]

I know for a fact that it is forbidden in the Bible to try and communicate with 'the dead,' but I don't know about speaking ill of the dead.

If you can speak to the dead, then they're not dead, they're alive, somewhere. How can you speak to someone who's dead if they're dead? It's like people who say 'my grandma is dead and she's in Heaven!" Well, if'n she's in Heaven, she's ain't dead. Argh...sidetracked again, sorry.

:confused:

Seriously? There are too many rules in the Bible, that's one reason I think, for the most part, it's a crock of ****.

[Okla-homey]

I speak ill of Fred Phelps now, I'll sure as hell continue to do so when his *** is dead.

I hear the Phelpsites are/were planning on showing up at Heath "Brokeback" Ledger's funeral. Seriously.

[Okla-homey]

Is it actually a sin to speak ill of the dead, or just really bad manners, or neither in some cases?

ma,

Just a thought. Now, I'm not Catholic, so I don't know first hand about this, but don't you people say special prayers and dedicate masses to dead folks sometimes in order to tilt the scales in favor of admission to Heaven on the close cases?

If that's true, that may be where your idea of not speaking ill of the dead comes from. Us Baptists just figure an unsaved and dead so-and-so is toast (literally) and no amount of candle lighting, special services or praying is going to affect his or her eternal destination. That's also why we spend so much time, energy and money trying to spread the Gospel among folks before they take the dirt nap.

[OzarkSooner]

That particular quote/proverb/old wives tale can be directly attributed to Diogenes:


Do not speak ill of the dead.The Seven Sages (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/The_Seven_Sages/), from Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers
(650 BC - 550 BC)Also notable is that the phrase, "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" is NOT found in the Bible, neither does it say that the fruit eaten by Adam and Eve was an apple. But I digress...

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Nobody. I was just curious as to whether or not it was in the bible. I tried to look it up in my religions bible, but I didn't have any luck. :)

Not in the bible..It just talks about speaking bad about the living..:D

[NYC Poke]

So who are you talking bad about?

Our basketball season.

[NYC Poke]

I hear the Phelpsites are/were planning on showing up at Heath "Brokeback" Ledger's funeral. Seriously.

Interesting that they'd target Ledger for his portrayal a homosexual. I guess it is no longer acceptable to portray a sinner in film. I wonder what they have planned for the poor guy who played Judas in Mel Gibson's "Passion."

Part of me hopes they go through with this, though. I'd enjoy the ensuing circus if they try to pull off one of their protests here. NY's finest might keep them from getting killed, but hijinx would certainly ensue. The gay community here is very large and very organized. And the headlines in the Post would certainly be classics.

Of course, Ledger's family could decide to bury him in Australia. That would mean less fun for me, but it may be better overall. Travel there is expensive, maybe if their going would leave them with less money to protest at the funerals of dead American soldiers.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

If someone is a jackass alive, aren't they a jackass when they are dead?

[Flagstaffsooner]

The people that are dead and that I speak ill of are all rotting in hell, so how can that be a sin?

Examples: LBJ, JFK, FDR

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

The people that are dead and that I speak ill of are all rotting in hell, so how can that be a sin?

Examples: LBJ, JFK, FDRWhy don't you hate Nixon? I really don't think it's for us to determine who is in Heaven and who is in Hell but I'd think someone like Timothy McVeigh and Hitler might be there rather than a few politicians I don't like.

[Flagstaffsooner]

Why should I hate Nixon? He didn't escalate the war in Nam or turn this country into a socialist state. Or kill MM.

[Big Red Ron]

Actually, if not for the stupid watergate thing, Nixon would be viewed as one of the most successfull Presidents evar.

It was stupid because he was going to be reelected anyway. Stupid, stupid, stupid...

[Flagstaffsooner]

Actually, if not for the stupid watergate thing, Nixon would be viewed as one of the most successfull Presidents evar.

It was stupid because he was going to be reelected anyway. Stupid, stupid, stupid...Yessir, spek.

[soonerbrat]

Momma always said, if'n ya don't have anything good to say....then come sit next to me.



fixed.

[StoopTroup]

I thought Nixon's people handled Watergate so poorly that he just made the decision to resign. That's just my opinion though.

The Democrats lost quite a bit from the way they handled the Watergate situation too.

It's my belief that it spurred the Reagan / Bush years into the History books.

Clinton and the Republicans went to war during his administration and the Dems got thrown out again.

All of these attacks and loss of face by politicians has hurt our Country.

It makes me wanna puke! :D [hairGel]

[Sooner_Bob]

I doubt the dead care how we talk about them, but that's just me.

Once they're dead, they're dead. IMO, Nothing we do or say will affect them or "where they go".

[VeeJay]

This thread is teh awesome.

Driving today, I had a strange thought of being in a coffin six feet under ground. Like out of one of my college drunken stupors, I "snap to" and find myself unable to move.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I thought Nixon's people handled Watergate so poorly that he just made the decision to resign. That's just my opinion though.

The Democrats lost quite a bit from the way they handled the Watergate situation too.

It's my belief that it spurred the Reagan / Bush years into the History books.

:D [hairGel]Jimma Carter was elected in the turmoil that is Watergate. His pathetic and disastrous performance paved the way for America's return to the constitution(countering socialism) and Ronald Reagan.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

This thread is teh awesome.

Driving today, I had a strange thought of being in a coffin six feet under ground. Like out of one of my college drunken stupors, I "snap to" and find myself unable to move.Did a tree stop your car, or what?

[Hamhock]

not sure if you're serious, but if you are, Depending on your definition of "speaking ill", it may be a sin to speak ill of anyone.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Maybe politicians just go to some kind of purgatory.

[soonerinabilene]

If Hillary died today, i would still consider her a b*tch tomorrow.

[MamaMia]

ma,

Just a thought. Now, I'm not Catholic, so I don't know first hand about this, but don't you people say special prayers and dedicate masses to dead folks sometimes in order to tilt the scales in favor of admission to Heaven on the close cases?

If that's true, that may be where your idea of not speaking ill of the dead comes from. Us Baptists just figure an unsaved and dead so-and-so is toast (literally) and no amount of candle lighting, special services or praying is going to affect his or her eternal destination. That's also why we spend so much time, energy and money trying to spread the Gospel among folks before they take the dirt nap.We pray with nice dead people to God in worship to the Holy Trinity, not to the dead people. I was just wondering if it was actually in the bible that we're not suppose to insult dead people, even selfish mean and evil ones. :D


Not in the bible..It just talks about speaking bad about the living..:D
So, in summation I guess its best to wait until they're dead? ;)

[Sooner_Bob]

We pray with nice dead people to God in worship to the Holy Trinity . . .


Wait . . . what?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

We pray with nice dead people to God in worship to the Holy Trinity, not to the dead people. I was just wondering if it was actually in the bible that we're not suppose to insult dead people, even selfish mean and evil ones. :D


So, in summation I guess its best to wait until they're dead? ;)


I tend to...Or get God to look the other direction while I mouth somebody.

[OCUDad]

The way I figure it, if a sweetheart like Mama does it, it can't possibly be a sin. :D

...shameless sucking up...

[soonerbrat]

my ex husband's stepdad was a mean SOB. he was mean to my mother in law, he was mean to my kids and mean to his own kids. he died in a drunk driving accident. he was the drunk. he almost killed the people he hit head on while he was going the wrong way down a divided street. When he died I said "good riddance"

there. I said it. am I going to hell now?

[MamaMia]

The way I figure it, if a sweetheart like Mama does it, it can't possibly be a sin. :D

...shameless sucking up... Thank you but, how did you know I actually did it? I never could hide my guilt very well. :O

[MamaMia]

my ex husband's stepdad was a mean SOB. he was mean to my mother in law, he was mean to my kids and mean to his own kids. he died in a drunk driving accident. he was the drunk. he almost killed the people he hit head on while he was going the wrong way down a divided street. When he died I said "good riddance"

there. I said it. am I going to hell now?
No, because, to be quite honest, I felt the same way last Thursday when this man died who had hurt three people who I love. I've thought a lot about this since that day and finally came to the conclusion that God would not have near as fun in Heaven without me or soonerbrat, so no way would Saint Peter not let us in. ;)

Maybe we shouldn't say bad things about dead people, but we do a lot of things we shouldn't and on the scale of bad things, striking out at someone who has caused a lot of pain to people we love should be pretty low on that scale. It just gets a little confusing to me when I've been taught that no sin is greater than another and that God loves everyone, but in the end, if no sin is really greater than another then it would make no sense for God to have Moses go all the way up the mountain to take dictation from Him about the 10 sins we all call the Commandments. :)