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SoonerGirl06
1/23/2008, 08:13 PM
I received this e-mail from a friend of mine today and thought I'd share it with you guys. I think it's very poignant and pretty much sums up how I feel about the Presidential campaign.



Duplicity can be defined as deceitfulness in speech or conduct; speaking or acting in two different ways concerning the same matter with intent to deceive. We see a plethora of duplicitous prevarication in our political climate today. And yet, as candidates revise their core values and their individual histories to pander to specific audiences, they seem to do so with impunity. In this the information age, how do we NOT hold individual candidates to account for divergent opinions on like subjects in different venues? In this climate where it is considered a personal attack to ask a candidate’s view on driver licenses for illegal aliens, is there any chance whatever that someone will ask those who would be president why they are making statements 180 degrees out of phase with previous assertions simply because the audience has changed? Have we jettisoned integrity and veracity as integral to the character of our leaders in exchange for an admiration of a candidate’s ability to pander effectively?

Perhaps what we are experiencing is the Clintonification of American politics; the abdication of morality and decency in lieu of ideological agreement and the ability to play to an audience. Message acquiesces to marketing. Symbolism vanquishes substance. Magniloquence triumphs over meaning. The ability to lie smoothly becomes an admired characteristic rather than a disqualifying failure in character. Spurious and duplicitous statements are never judged in content, only in presentation. We have become a nation so enamored by packaging we have failed to examine the contents of the package.

Never before in the history of America has the Democratic Party fielded candidates who are so tremendously unqualified for public office. The rhetorical absurdity that spews from the mouths of the three most likely Democrat contenders would have made them all laughing stocks in another time. Now, rather than being the aberration, extremist lunacy has become the norm: victory through retreat; economic stimulus through increased regulation and taxation; fiscal responsibility through massive government expansion; and security through projected weakness not projected strength. Positively Orwellian, is it not?

I know how some Republicans must feel. There are no candidates to vote for, only those to vote against. I am not inspired that the next four years will be better than the last. I do not see a leader I can look up to or whom I would like to see my child emulate. We have ceded our leadership to floor models not role models. We have closed our eyes to duplicity and dishonor. Regardless of who wins in November, the ultimate loser will be the American people.

GottaHavePride
1/23/2008, 08:49 PM
http://www.pleasantmorningbuzz.com/pics/multiplicity.gif

usmc-sooner
1/23/2008, 09:15 PM
I received this e-mail from a friend of mine today and thought I'd share it with you guys. I think it's very poignant and pretty much sums up how I feel about the Presidential campaign.




I feel the same.

usmc-sooner
1/23/2008, 09:17 PM
it's like asking me to vote for Mike Gundy or Sean Sutton, who sucks the least?

SanJoaquinSooner
1/23/2008, 11:09 PM
Holier-than-thou hor$e$hit.

Pricetag
1/23/2008, 11:17 PM
We have become a nation so enamored by packaging we have failed to examine the contents of the package.

Speaking of packaging, could they have thrown any more big words in there? The writer's Thesaurus must still be smoking.

I think the message is pretty ironic--point out everything wrong with the political system, blame it on the other side.

mikeelikee
1/23/2008, 11:39 PM
The writing style (and the content) reminds me of Peggy Noonan. She is brilliant, savvy, and spot-on, politically-speaking.

SoonerGirl06
1/24/2008, 12:57 AM
I think the message is pretty ironic--point out everything wrong with the political system, blame it on the other side.

I didn't see it that way. I thought they were merely expressing their disappointment in the candidate choices on both sides. IMO neither party really has a candidate that has a platform that stands for anything.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/24/2008, 10:23 AM
I didn't see it that way. I thought they were merely expressing their disappointment in the candidate choices on both sides. IMO neither party really has a candidate that has a platform that stands for anything.A couple of posters expressed seeing it as harsher on the dems than the repubs. I agree with that. But, the repubs were condemned for some flip-flopping, which doesn't inspire confidence. It's true there's nobody on the repub side that generates real excitement, but their best ones are certainly better than guaranteed socialism on the other side.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/24/2008, 10:23 AM
Double post...Never mind!

JohnnyMack
1/24/2008, 10:29 AM
The first two paragraphs of that letter are about Mitt Romney, right?

SoonerTerry
1/24/2008, 10:45 AM
Holier-than-thou hor$e$hit.

eloquent rebuttal, you have changed my mind.:rolleyes:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/24/2008, 10:47 AM
The first two paragraphs of that letter are about Mitt Romney, right?Seems like both McCain and Romney with the Duplicity thing.

NormanPride
1/24/2008, 11:47 AM
Democracy and politics are participatory. The writer wants someone to champion.
I say: Go find a candidate and support him/her. When you lose, you find someone closest to what you want. If you don't want to play, be quiet and wait for Moamar to run your life.

That's the problem. We compromise so much that we end up with the same thing every time, just in a different suit. Nobody really likes it, but if we go out and support someone we really like our vote is essentially swept under the carpet. ESPECIALLY with the winner-take-all electoral college. :mad:

frankensooner
1/24/2008, 11:57 AM
Write in Ralphie Wiggum. Oh, sorry, if you are in Oklahoma, you can't do that.

NormanPride
1/24/2008, 04:15 PM
Then run for office yourself. You'd be a good candidate, I'm sure.

Nobody would vote for me unless I sold out, though. :D

JohnnyMack
1/24/2008, 04:19 PM
Nobody would vote for me unless I sold out, though. :D

NormanPride For President - Brought to you by Stone Brewing Co.

Hamhock
1/24/2008, 04:27 PM
ron paul for president

Chuck Bao
1/24/2008, 04:50 PM
I have a soft place in my heart for Republicans. It just seems that they're so into caring about the rest of us and sharing their emails. God bless them.

Stoop Dawg
1/24/2008, 07:35 PM
I think the message is pretty ironic--point out everything wrong with the political system, blame it on the other side.

The real ironic part is that the writer claims "what we are experiencing is the Clintonification of American politics", then goes on to rip Democrats for allegedly proposing "fiscal responsibility through massive government expansion".

The reality is that Bill Clinton was the last president to pass a balanced budget. Actually, there were several years with a budget surplus. There was serious talk about the national debt being paid off.



P.S. "Read my lips - No new taxes!!"

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/24/2008, 07:56 PM
The real ironic part is that the writer claims "what we are experiencing is the Clintonification of American politics", then goes on to rip Democrats for allegedly proposing "fiscal responsibility through massive government expansion".

The reality is that Bill Clinton was the last president to pass a balanced budget. Actually, there were several years with a budget surplus. There was serious talk about the national debt being paid off.



P.S. "Read my lips - No new taxes!!"There was a republican congress, elected as a result of fear of massive socialism(Hillarycare healthcare, and other fears), that acted fairly responsibly for a few years, and kept Clinton in check. You know that, and choose to ignore it, I guess.

OUAndy1807
1/24/2008, 08:02 PM
It cracks me up that anyone would get into an argument about politics. Anyone who pays attention knows that any politician that is a big enough shill for their party to get the nomination is a bag of ****, no matter what side of the aisle they come from.

SanJoaquinSooner
1/24/2008, 08:10 PM
There was a republican congress, elected as a result of fear of massive socialism(Hillarycare healthcare, and other fears), that acted fairly responsibly for a few years, and kept Clinton in check. You know that, and choose to ignore it, I guess.


Actually of the four possible combinations,

Donk Pres, Donk Cong
Donk Pres, Pub Cong
Pub Pres, Donk Cong
Pub Pres, Pub, Cong


.... a Donk President and a Pub Congress work best. IMO

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/24/2008, 08:19 PM
Actually of the four possible combinations,

Donk Pres, Donk Cong
Donk Pres, Pub Cong
Pub Pres, Donk Cong
Pub Pres, Pub, Cong


.... a Donk President and a Pub Congress work best. IMOWhatever gets them to cutback social spending and not raise taxes works for me. I'm happy enough when they basically do nothing in congress.

GottaHavePride
1/24/2008, 09:31 PM
DONKEY KONG! WOOOOOOO!

frankensooner
1/25/2008, 09:52 AM
Idealists are funny. ;)

King Crimson
1/25/2008, 10:28 AM
electioneering becoming a media spectacle, "style over substance", an excess of symbolization instead of fact or issue driven is as old as democracy and cannot accurately be called the "Clintonification" of politics nor is it a partisan issue. Nixon was one of the first to hire advertising people and PR to run his campaigns. Reagan was the first so-called "TV" president. FDR's "fireside chats" are yet another example.

i don't disagree that this election year is particularly revolting but it's more the continuation of an existing logic than anything qualitatively different as in some sea change ushered in by Billy Boy Clinton.

the original email is nothing more than a veiled partisan piece tricked up with a thesaurus.

Stoop Dawg
1/25/2008, 03:07 PM
There was a republican congress, elected as a result of fear of massive socialism(Hillarycare healthcare, and other fears), that acted fairly responsibly for a few years, and kept Clinton in check. You know that, and choose to ignore it, I guess.

Sorry bub. The president presents a budget to congress and congress approves or disapproves. Clinton presented budgets with a surplus. Congress wanted to use the surplus to cut taxes, Clinton wanted to pay down the debt. Those are the facts. You can choose to ignore them, as usual, if you wish.

olevetonahill
3/6/2008, 06:00 AM
Dont look like yer bained anymore
Just sayin