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royalfan5
1/22/2008, 03:39 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_on_el_pr/thompson

Widescreen
1/22/2008, 03:45 PM
This means he will be campaigning as hard now as he was before this announcement.

SanJoaquinSooner
1/22/2008, 03:52 PM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/poncaparker/fred.jpg

85Sooner
1/22/2008, 03:53 PM
This means he will be campaigning as hard now as he was before this announcement.

To bad he did not want it very bad. *(and glad I didn't send any money in)

Hot Rod
1/22/2008, 03:56 PM
I loved him in Die Hard 2!

Chuck Bao
1/22/2008, 04:01 PM
This yet again proves that the Rs are in a losing position.

They are so out of step with mainstream and they don't even realize it. The economy is going to hell and some want to focus on pro-life, pro-marriage and creation issues.

He knows how to cut his loses. Good for him.

crawfish
1/22/2008, 04:14 PM
Did he ever really have any hopes?

Jerk
1/22/2008, 04:19 PM
This yet again proves that the Rs are in a losing position.

They are so out of step with mainstream and they don't even realize it. The economy is going to hell and some want to focus on pro-life, pro-marriage and creation issues.

He knows how to cut his loses. Good for him.
Yeah, because we all know that higher taxes, socialism, gun control, and a gay and lesbian agenda are big hits with the American people.:rolleyes:

Octavian
1/22/2008, 04:25 PM
And Huckabee is running out of money. Those were the two true conservatives in the race.


McCain, Romney, and Rudy haven't exactly been posterboys for the Reagan movement. Looks like the GOP is taking a more centrist turn.

Scott D
1/22/2008, 04:38 PM
From what I could tell, the only things Thompson was truly conservative in were

a) having a stance
b) having a platform
c) having an opinion
d) having an actual campaign

Other than that he was pretty liberal about things ;)

Ash
1/22/2008, 04:48 PM
He can now go back to his long career as an uber lobbyist and part-time actor.

Harry Beanbag
1/22/2008, 05:30 PM
From what I could tell, the only things Thompson was truly conservative in were

a) having a stance
b) having a platform
c) having an opinion
d) having an actual campaign

Other than that he was pretty liberal about things ;)


I respect a man that has a narrow stance. :)

Mjcpr
1/22/2008, 05:34 PM
I respect a man that has a narrow stance. :)

Gross.

trey
1/22/2008, 05:37 PM
I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee...And I never thought that I would say that in my life.

-Rush Limbaugh, on his displeasure with the current field of Republican presidential candidates

85Sooner
1/22/2008, 05:40 PM
And Huckabee is running out of money. Those were the two true conservatives in the race.


McCain, Romney, and Rudy haven't exactly been posterboys for the Reagan movement. Looks like the GOP is taking a more centrist turn.
Huckabees a conservative? I have been one pretty much all my life and let me tell you he is not a conservative. Romney is about as close as we are going to get.

mikeelikee
1/22/2008, 05:41 PM
If the economy continues to teeter as it recently has, Romney becomes a clearer choice. At least he's run a company before!

JohnnyMack
1/22/2008, 05:46 PM
McCain and Romney.

A two horse race.

None of the others will last.

Hamhock
1/22/2008, 05:51 PM
I've noticed that Ron Paul's presidential campaign signs are beginning to look more like, well, presidential campaign signs.

Octavian
1/22/2008, 05:58 PM
Huckabees a conservative? I have been one pretty much all my life and let me tell you he is not a conservative. Romney is about as close as we are going to get.


Well he's an uber social/religious conservative. He's very conservative according to some. He hasn't been a fiscal conservative.



His problem is everyone else's problem too. None of the candidates have been able to attract all of the wings that made up the Reagan-Bush coalition.



McCain and Romney.

A two horse race.

None of the others will last.


agreed. Looks like McCain might get his shot after all.

Jerk
1/22/2008, 06:06 PM
Great - no matter who we get to vote for in November - they both support open boarders and amnesty.

crawfish
1/22/2008, 06:07 PM
You've got to admit...the average IQ of the GOP field went up significantly today.

Widescreen
1/22/2008, 06:11 PM
Great - no matter who we get to vote for in November - they both support open boarders and amnesty.
That irritates me greatly.

Civicus_Sooner
1/22/2008, 06:21 PM
Huckabees a conservative? I have been one pretty much all my life and let me tell you he is not a conservative. Romney is about as close as we are going to get.
So true.

Just because he's a Christian doesn't make him a Republican or a conservative.

jk the sooner fan
1/22/2008, 06:43 PM
And Huckabee is running out of money. Those were the two true conservatives in the race.


McCain, Romney, and Rudy haven't exactly been posterboys for the Reagan movement. Looks like the GOP is taking a more centrist turn.

Look at Huckabee's record in Arkansas - its not nearly as conservative as he'd like you to think

I like Thompson from the beginning but his campaign just absolutely sucked

I'd like to go on record now and predict that if McCain is the GOP nominee, Joe Lieberman will be his running mate

CatfishSooner
1/22/2008, 07:16 PM
that was a **** poor effort by thompson...jmo

Civicus_Sooner
1/22/2008, 07:39 PM
Thompson's biggest problem is that he waited too long to announce and over estimated his "star power."

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/22/2008, 07:50 PM
I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee...And I never thought that I would say that in my life.

-Rush Limbaugh, on his displeasure with the current field of Republican presidential candidatesYou don't listen to his show much, do you? He has often said, during election campaigns, that he doesn't and almost never will endorse a candidate during the primaries. What he will do is point out the candidates who are no better, or hardly better than the dems' candidates. In this campaign, it's McCain and Huckabee.

Update 1-24, the Rush Limbaugh show: A woman called and asked him about that quote, and he said to think he wouldn't support ANY of the republicans that are running is inaccurate. His message was that there could be a republican nominee that he wouldn't vote for. The reason is that with that particular person(or persons?), the country would get into major trouble, and he would prefer to see that happen under the guidance of a democrat, rather than a republican.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/22/2008, 07:53 PM
Great - no matter who we get to vote for in November - they both support open boarders and amnesty.Hope you aren't taling about Romney. He's tough on illegal immigration. McCain, not at all tough.(yes, Romney will win the GOP nomination)

SoonerBOI
1/22/2008, 08:03 PM
Fred should have run in 1996, when he would have been the high energy guy in the race. Thompson's withdrawal is sad, but he is much to be admired.

OU-HSV
1/22/2008, 08:15 PM
Wow, hadn't heard this until now. Guess I'll ex him off my short list. Leaving me with McCain and Huck at this point. That could change though.

Jerk
1/22/2008, 08:23 PM
What do you want to bet that these Republican "moderates" suddenly become labeled "right-wing extremist" after their nomination?

Okla-homey
1/22/2008, 09:47 PM
I'm prolly going with McCain. A wartime president should be a veteran. It works better that way. People who haven't worn the uniform can't fully grasp the whole enchilada.

Frankly, that was Bill C's biggest liability IMHO.

Anyhoo, the GWOT is my number one issue. Everything else is secondary. Frankly, the guy's position on messicans doesn't bother me because regardless of who goes in the WH this year, nothing will change. Too many constituencies affected by any staunching of the flow of cheap labor from the South.

Soonerus
1/22/2008, 09:51 PM
Fred Flintstone...who cares...

CatfishSooner
1/22/2008, 09:54 PM
Fred Flintstone...who cares...


Wilma...probably...

jk the sooner fan
1/22/2008, 09:59 PM
I'm prolly going with McCain. A wartime president should be a veteran. It works better that way. People who haven't worn the uniform can't fully grasp the whole enchilada.

Frankly, that was Bill C's biggest liability IMHO.

Anyhoo, the GWOT is my number one issue. Everything else is secondary. Frankly, the guy's position on messicans doesn't bother me because regardless of who goes in the WH this year, nothing will change. Too many constituencies affected by any staunching of the flow of cheap labor from the South.

i think the GWOT has moved to our borders, to ignore it is foolish imo

i'm undecided and leaning towards the mormon

Okla-homey
1/22/2008, 10:01 PM
i think the GWOT has moved to our borders, to ignore it is foolish imo

i'm undecided and leaning towards the mormon

Who has deep family roots in Mexico. Yep, he'll be sure to shut-r-down.;)

JohnnyMack
1/22/2008, 10:07 PM
I'm prolly going with McCain. A wartime president should be a veteran. It works better that way. People who haven't worn the uniform can't fully grasp the whole enchilada.

Frankly, that was Bill C's biggest liability IMHO.

Anyhoo, the GWOT is my number one issue. Everything else is secondary. Frankly, the guy's position on messicans doesn't bother me because regardless of who goes in the WH this year, nothing will change. Too many constituencies affected by any staunching of the flow of cheap labor from the South.

No thanks, I've had enough politics-by-fear for now. I'll be voting for someone (anyone) else.

Okla-homey
1/22/2008, 10:15 PM
No thanks, I've had enough politics-by-fear for now. I'll be voting for someone (anyone) else.

Think what you want bro, but we've been safe here at home since 9-11. I say, don't f with it. It's working. The only thing those animals who wanna kill our babies respect is overwhelming force and the willingness to use it whenever and wherever it's needed to eradicate their evil arses.

JohnnyMack
1/22/2008, 10:22 PM
Think what you want bro, but we've been safe here at home since 9-11. I say, don't f with it. It's working. The only thing those animals who wanna kill our babies respect is overwhelming force and the willingness to use it whenever and wherever it's needed to eradicate their evil arses.

We've spent 500 BILLION, sacrificied 4000 soldiers and wounded well over 50,000 of them. I'm of the opinion that we could have maintained our Nation's safety at much lower a cost.

CatfishSooner
1/22/2008, 10:23 PM
you mean 500 billion...right?

JohnnyMack
1/22/2008, 10:24 PM
I don't type so well.

jk the sooner fan
1/22/2008, 10:33 PM
johnny mack

you may be right

but its my belief that in 25 years or so, history will prove what we did to be right

i believe it with every ounce of my soul

how you put a price on sacrifice is beyond me.....we've been making them as a nation for over 200 years, and we'll continue to do it

Okla-homey
1/22/2008, 10:34 PM
We've spent 500 MILLION, sacrificied 4000 soldiers and wounded well over 50,000 of them. I'm of the opinion that we could have maintained our Nation's safety at much lower a cost.

Not me. Not after having spent some time in the region.

Imagine the most devoted Christian you ever met. Imagine he's also jobless and devoid of hope for his earthly future. Now, imagine that since he was five, that person received thrice weekly hour long indoctrinations from his pastor that God required him and all good Christians to shoot to kill any Muslim they encounter. In so doing, he could even earn an instant heavenly powerball jackpot if he's killed while doing this divinely-mandated mayhem.

In short, we don't even have a frame of reference to conceptualize the depth of their hatred for us.

SanJoaquinSooner
1/22/2008, 10:58 PM
Great - no matter who we get to vote for in November - they both support open boarders and amnesty.

I don't understand what exactly is meant by "open borders" and "closed borders."

About one million people legally enter the U.S. each day through our 325 ports of entry.

Now fred thompson's catchphrase on this was "we need tall fences and wide gates."

Are tall fences and wide gates a description of open borders or closed borders?

Do these phrases reference only those who might enter without inspection, or more?

jk the sooner fan
1/22/2008, 11:08 PM
its a fairly simple metaphor

JohnnyMack
1/22/2008, 11:21 PM
Not me. Not after having spent some time in the region.

Imagine the most devoted Christian you ever met. Imagine he's also jobless and devoid of hope for his earthly future. Now, imagine that since he was five, that person received thrice weekly hour long indoctrinations from his pastor that God required him and all good Christians to shoot to kill any Muslim they encounter. In so doing, he could even earn an instant heavenly powerball jackpot if he's killed while doing this divinely-mandated mayhem.

In short, we don't even have a frame of reference to conceptualize the depth of their hatred for us.

I fully support the war on terror.

I fully support making our country more independent in terms of providing its citizens the energy it needs.

I don't support the war in Iraq.

Them are a hot blooded, angry people who've been killin' each other for millenia. That ain't gonna change in our lifetime. But what could change is the direction our nation takes in terms of protecting its interests in a more logical way.

LosAngelesSooner
1/22/2008, 11:38 PM
McCain has an 82% voting record as ranked by the GOP.

That is pretty derned conservative.

He's also not a liar (Romney), he has foreign policy experience (Huckabee) and he's got the credentials to lead our nation (Guilliani).

McCain will probably get my vote if he gets the nom. Now I'm just hoping that the whack jobs don't give the nom to the snake oil salesman or the guy who thinks the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

SanJoaquinSooner
1/22/2008, 11:43 PM
its a fairly simple metaphor

but not well-defined.

Big Red Ron
1/23/2008, 12:04 AM
We've spent 500 BILLION, sacrificied 4000 soldiers and wounded well over 50,000 of them. I'm of the opinion that we could have maintained our Nation's safety at much lower a cost.It's not as if the war is like Vietnam. Shoot 4k dead was a bad quarter in that war. I think our safetly and security is priceless. It's not as if we have a draft either. Our current soldiers volunteered and knew the risks going in. Many felt a calling to serve our country, I did. I joined in 1991 for the first war in Iraq. I like having the battleground over there, not here.

Big Red Ron
1/23/2008, 12:05 AM
johnny mack

you may be right

but its my belief that in 25 years or so, history will prove what we did to be right

i believe it with every ounce of my soul

how you put a price on sacrifice is beyond me.....we've been making them as a nation for over 200 years, and we'll continue to do itHear, Hear or is it here, here. Either way, bravo.

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 12:13 AM
I'm afraid every ounce of both of your souls are in for a mega disappointment in 25 years.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 12:31 AM
I'm prolly going with McCain. A wartime president should be a veteran. It works better that way. People who haven't worn the uniform can't fully grasp the whole enchilada.

Frankly, that was Bill C's biggest liability IMHO.

Anyhoo, the GWOT is my number one issue. Everything else is secondary. Frankly, the guy's position on messicans doesn't bother me because regardless of who goes in the WH this year, nothing will change. Too many constituencies affected by any staunching of the flow of cheap labor from the South.McCain is a sorry SOB, and if nominated, will lose to the dems.

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 02:46 AM
McCain is a sorry SOB, and if nominated, will lose to the dems.
Calling a decorated war vet and American hero a "sorry SOB."

Niiiiice. :rolleyes:

jeremy885
1/23/2008, 10:32 AM
but not well-defined.

Kind of like hrc's positions on everything.....;)

jeremy885
1/23/2008, 10:33 AM
McCain is a sorry SOB, and if nominated, will lose to the dems.


If you think Romney will win the general election, you're in for a big disappointment in November.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 10:53 AM
If you think Romney will win the general election, you're in for a big disappointment in November.McCain has nearly 0 chance, after receiving the media character assassination that I guarantee will happen to him. They have already given Romney all they have, and he's weathered the sh#t storm. They will still go after Romney, but we've already seen what they have on him. If McCain is nominated, you WON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE CRAP that they have waiting to sling at him. (besides, he's just a glorified dem on most issues, anyway)

TheHumanAlphabet
1/23/2008, 10:55 AM
Was he ever really in it?

TheHumanAlphabet
1/23/2008, 10:56 AM
I'm not sure I like the choices. Whose on the Libertarian ticket?

I have become such a one issue voter!!!

You against illegal aliens, deny non-citizens gov't help and will protect the borders - you got my vote...

jeremy885
1/23/2008, 10:58 AM
You do know that swing voters (like myself) decide elections, right? If the choice is between McCain and hrc, who would you vote for? McCain, right? Same thing with Obama and McCain.

I would vote for McCain over eith hrc or Obama, but would vote for Obama over hrc. If it's hrc vs Romney, :eek:, I guess I'm flipping a coin.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 11:01 AM
Calling a decorated war vet and American hero a "sorry SOB."

Niiiiice. :rolleyes:He weathered the prison just fine. Suitability for POTUS that does not make. On the issues related to being president, he is a sorry SOB. Amnesty, violating the first amendment, and other positions that are clearly wrong. Why do you think the media is promoting him as their preferred REPUBLICAN candidate?

Hamhock
1/23/2008, 11:09 AM
Anyhoo, the GWOT is my number one issue. Everything else is secondary. Frankly, the guy's position on messicans doesn't bother me because regardless of who goes in the WH this year, nothing will change. Too many constituencies affected by any staunching of the flow of cheap labor from the South.


Ron Paul says:

1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. Thatís a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

TheHumanAlphabet
1/23/2008, 11:13 AM
If this is really Ron Paul's view, I'll have to give him a look.

jeremy885
1/23/2008, 11:22 AM
If this is really Ron Paul's view, I'll have to give him a look.


He also hates black people (if that helps) ;)

TheHumanAlphabet
1/23/2008, 11:49 AM
He also hates black people (if that helps) ;)

That - not so much...

I really would like to hear the REAL story on that story/remarks.

sooner n houston
1/23/2008, 11:50 AM
It is a sad day to be a repub, unless of couse you are LAS! :D

TheHumanAlphabet
1/23/2008, 11:55 AM
Yeah like in TX D22 we have an option for Shelly Sekula-Gibbs or whatever her name is now a days...:(

I fear this will not be pretty in March.

Octavian
1/23/2008, 12:41 PM
He weathered the prison just fine. Suitability for POTUS that does not make. On the issues related to being president, he is a sorry SOB. Amnesty, violating the first amendment, and other positions that are clearly wrong. Why do you think the media is promoting him as their preferred REPUBLICAN candidate?


I haven't heard anyone in the evil MSM declare him the frontrunner.


McCain has a chance to win. He's got the toughness, resume, and political experience to endure a grueling match against the Clintons.


Mitt Romney and his sons, on the other hand, will be eaten alive by the Clinton machine.

Mixer!
1/23/2008, 12:45 PM
IBTL

KABOOKIE
1/23/2008, 12:56 PM
I'll vote Menthols before Menstruation.

crawfish
1/23/2008, 01:11 PM
He also hates black people (if that helps) ;)

Funny that so many african americans have spoke up for him...they must be racist, too. :rolleyes:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 01:12 PM
I haven't heard anyone in the evil MSM declare him the frontrunner.


McCain has a chance to win. He's got the toughness, resume, and political experience to endure a grueling match against the Clintons.


Mitt Romney and his sons, on the other hand, will be eaten alive by the Clinton machine.Hilarious. Heh, does this mean you'll be voting for mcCain?

crawfish
1/23/2008, 01:14 PM
I haven't heard anyone in the evil MSM declare him the frontrunner.


McCain has a chance to win. He's got the toughness, resume, and political experience to endure a grueling match against the Clintons.


Mitt Romney and his sons, on the other hand, will be eaten alive by the Clinton machine.

My biggest worry with McCain - and the rest outside of Huckabee & Paul, for that matter - is that we'll end up in war with Iran. I agree with a lot of what he stands for, though.

jeremy885
1/23/2008, 01:14 PM
Funny that so many african americans have spoke up for him...they must be racist, too. :rolleyes:


It was a joke (a bad one at that) based on the comments made about his voting record, support from the neo-nazis, etc :rolleyes:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 01:17 PM
My biggest worry with McCain - and the rest outside of Huckabee & Paul, for that matter - is that we'll end up in war with Iran. I agree with a lot of what he stands for, though.What does McCain espouse that you agree with?

JohnnyMack
1/23/2008, 01:40 PM
I'll vote Menthols before Menstruation.

Yup.

picasso
1/23/2008, 01:45 PM
I haven't heard anyone in the evil MSM declare him the frontrunner.


McCain has a chance to win. He's got the toughness, resume, and political experience to endure a grueling match against the Clintons.


Mitt Romney and his sons, on the other hand, will be eaten alive by the Clinton machine.
Romney has the money to go the long haul.

I'm a fiscal conservative but I wouldn't mind McCain getting the nod, I'm more concerned about issues outside the continental U.S. these days.

I still think Ron Paul has a whispered fart's chance of winning anything.

If I were a Dem I'd be voting for Obama. He's smart, charismatic and a socialist.

burp.

crawfish
1/23/2008, 02:05 PM
What does McCain espouse that you agree with?

His government reform, health care and education policies appeal the most to me. I am on board with most of his immigration reform. His economic policies might be passable if he wasn't going to ensure that billions were going to be spent on the war.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 02:18 PM
His government reform, health care and education policies appeal the most to me. I am on board with most of his immigration reform. His economic policies might be passable if he wasn't going to ensure that billions were going to be spent on the war.What sort of govt. reform and immigration reform do you think he wants?

TheHumanAlphabet
1/23/2008, 02:20 PM
I am on board with most of his immigration reform.

As much as I would like to support him, this one issue will keep me from voting for him. Might as well do away with ICE and the BP and let 'em all come in unchecked...

Hamhock
1/23/2008, 02:23 PM
If this is really Ron Paul's view, I'll have to give him a look.


straight from his website. I really wish his campaign had more legs. I love his position on big gubmt.

crawfish
1/23/2008, 02:44 PM
What sort of govt. reform and immigration reform do you think he wants?

I'm fully on board with allowing many illegal immigrants being given the chance to earn citizenship. I support reforming immigration law to make it easier for legal immigration.

I do NOT support a border wall (which would be my biggest difference with him). I'm not sure there's a border wall in history which has actually worked...

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 02:46 PM
If McCain is nominated, you WON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE CRAP that they have waiting to sling at him. (besides, he's just a glorified dem on most issues, anyway)As usual you're just talking out of your exhaust pipe. All BLAH BLAH BLAH and no facts to back it up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070623/EDITORIAL/106230006/1013

Finally, compared to Mr. Thompson's lifetime ACU rating of 86.1 and Mr. Frist's 87.8, worth noting is Arizona Sen. John McCain's 82.3. Also worth noting are the lifetime ACU ratings of so-called "second-tier" Republican presidential candidates: Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, 94.0; California Rep. Duncan Hunter, 92.0; Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, 97.8; and Texas Rep. Ron Paul, 82.3.
A perfect score is 99.

TheHumanAlphabet
1/23/2008, 03:02 PM
I'm fully on board with allowing many illegal immigrants being given the chance to earn citizenship. I support reforming immigration law to make it easier for legal immigration.

I do NOT support a border wall (which would be my biggest difference with him). I'm not sure there's a border wall in history which has actually worked...

Why?

No other country is so lax with permission to enter and lax in immigration laws as this country. Would you like to pay more taxes to pay for all the illegals? Just ask the Harris County Hospital District, or the border counties hospital districts...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 03:04 PM
As usual you're just talking out of your exhaust pipe. All BLAH BLAH BLAH and no facts to back it up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070623/EDITORIAL/106230006/1013

A perfect score is 99.As you (should) know, McCain is for amnesty for illegals, not closing the border to illegals, shutting down Gitmo, and bringing the POW's to the USA, reversing tax cuts, undermining the First Amendment(McCain-Feingold), etc. He's a Bad New Bear.

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 03:15 PM
He weathered the prison just fine. Glad you can be so GLIB about a Prisoner of War camp that left him unable to raise his arms above his head.

Yeah...he "weathered it just fine." :rolleyes:


Suitability for POTUS that does not make. On the issues related to being president, he is a sorry SOB. Amnesty, violating the first amendment, and other positions that are clearly wrong. But flip flopping, lying, doing/saying anything he can to be elected, mud slinging, having an incredibly liberal voting record as a Govenor...

Yeah. Romney is SUCH a good Republican candidate. :rolleyes:

Oh...not to mention that your above claims against McCain are totally inaccurate. Good Jorb.


Why do you think the media is promoting him as their preferred REPUBLICAN candidate? Oh, Gee...I don't know. Maybe because he's a GOOD GUY and a very GOOD CANDIDATE and finally we may have TWO good choices in an election instead of NONE?!?!

Naaaahhh. Can't be. It's gotta be that Vast Left Wing Liberal Conspiracy to deliver the U.S. straight to the doorstep of Hell. Yeah...that's the ticket. :rolleyes:

Want to know where McCain stands on issues?

Go here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.mccain.html

And quit lying about stuff.



Immigration (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.immigration.html)
Co-sponsored Bush-backed immigration reform legislation, which would have increased funding and improved border security technology, improved enforcement of existing laws, and provided a legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.


Iraq (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.iraq.html)
Voted for use of military force in Iraq. Supported Bush veto of war spending bill that would have withdrawn most U.S. troops by March 2008. Was an early proponent of sending additional American troops to Iraq.


Same-sex marriage (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.samesexmarriage.html)
Supports definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman, but opposes a constitutional amendment banning same sex-marriage. Says individual states should decide the issue. Says a federal marriage ban might be appropriate if courts overturned state marriage laws. Supports legal benefits for same-sex partners.


Social Security (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.socialsecurity.html)
Supports Bush plan to allow workers to divert some Social Security payroll taxes to private retirement accounts.


Taxes (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html)
Voted against 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cut laws, but later voted in favor of extending tax cuts through 2010.

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 03:18 PM
As you (should) know, McCain is for amnesty for some illegals who meet certain criteria, but not all of them, closing the border to illegals and increasing border security, shutting down Gitmo, which is totally un-American and un-Constitutional so it'll actually be a damn good thing, and bringing the POW's to the USA so they can be treated according to the Geneva Convention and under US law as they should be instead of being treated as if they were being held by some dictator in a rogue state, reversing tax cuts for the rich (which won't effect the lower or middle classes at all) so that they won't get their "fat cat" deduction that Bush has given his old blue blood friends for 8 years, undermining the ability of people to abuse campaign finance and lobbyists to distort elections in order to get "their guy" in to office (McCain-Feingold), etc. He's a reasonable man who could bring both sides of the fence together instead of being a right wing extremist hack who ignores over half of what our country wants.
Fixed.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 03:34 PM
Fixed.My, you're convincing. What is it you want us to do, vote Hillary?

Hamhock
1/23/2008, 03:36 PM
Fixed.


what, pray tell, is this "fat cat" tax deduction?

jeremy885
1/23/2008, 04:03 PM
what, pray tell, is this "fat cat" tax deduction?

A tax deduction for people who make more money then you do.

Hamhock
1/23/2008, 04:24 PM
A tax deduction for people who make more money then you do.


heh.

be more specific.

Octavian
1/23/2008, 05:23 PM
Hilarious. Heh, does this mean you'll be voting for mcCain?


why is that hilarious? IMO McCain is just a more viable candidate than Romney against the Clintons (they ARE running as a tandem) in a national election.


Team Clinton will immediately lay traps for whoever emerges. Romney has no experience in running a national campaign. They'll consistently have him on the defensive, off-message, and Hillary will work him in the debates. The GOP masses won't roll out in force --like they did in '00 and '04 -- to support a Massachusetts flip-flopper. Romney will be painted as the GOP's (Mormon) version of John Kerry....and he won't inspire much of a swing voter base. Team Clinton in a walk vs. Romney.


McCain however....can win the moderate swing vote and play up his national defense, war vet angle. He's obviously not the hardline party favorite....and he may not get the nomination because of campaign finance reform and immigration....but he's got a better shot than Romney of defeating the Clintons in the general election IMO.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 05:36 PM
why is that hilarious? IMO McCain is just a more viable candidate than Romney against the Clintons (they ARE running as a tandem) in a national election.


Team Clinton will immediately lay traps for whoever emerges. Romney has no experience in running a national campaign. They'll consistently have him on the defensive, off-message, and Hillary will work him in the debates. The GOP masses won't roll out in force --like they did in '00 and '04 -- to support a Massachusetts flip-flopper. Romney will be painted as the GOP's (Mormon) version of John Kerry....and he won't inspire much of a swing voter base. Team Clinton in a walk vs. Romney.


McCain however....can win the moderate swing vote and play up his national defense, war vet angle. He's obviously not the hardline party favorite....and he may not get the nomination because of campaign finance reform and immigration....but he's got a better shot than Romney of defeating the Clintons in the general election IMO. McCain has skeletons in his closet the media and the Clintons haven't yet uncovered, since they know he's vulnerable, and WANT him to get the namination (unless somehow Paul or Huckabee could). The media DOESN'T want Romney to win the nomination, so they have and continue to go after him full-force. Romney, above all other repubs., will bring out the most conservatives to vote. A McCain nomination yields a dem socialist utopia, with Sir Hillary as grande poobah.

Viking Kitten
1/23/2008, 05:39 PM
You're just itching to tell us about these skeletons in McCain's closet, aren't you?

Octavian
1/23/2008, 05:56 PM
McCain has skeletons in his closet the media and the Clintons haven't yet uncovered, since they know he's vulnerable, and WANT him to get the namination (unless somehow Paul or Huckabee could). The media DOESN'T want Romney to win the nomination, so they have and continue to go after him full-force. Romney, above all other repubs., will bring out the most conservatives to vote. A McCain nomination yields a dem socialist utopia, with Sir Hillary as grande poobah.


well...again, I just dont see this massive pro-McCain stance by the media.


That's fine if Romney receives the nomination because of his recent conservative conversion. He'll win the "He-who-is-most-kind-to-Reagan" award. The GOP base will "feel better" about not casting their vote for someone like McCain.


But...Mitt Romney in a national election against the Clintons? Best of luck.

JohnnyMack
1/23/2008, 05:58 PM
You're just itching to tell us about these skeletons in McCain's closet, aren't you?

Sounds like RLIMC has some Brokeback secrets he might have been a part of.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 06:05 PM
Sounds like RLIMC has some Brokeback secrets he might have been a part of.Yeah, McCain & I go way back. After McCain-Feingold act, I joined with the recall McCain petition effort. (He had been re-elected in AZ shortly before he and Feingold got together for that assault on the First Amendment)

JohnnyMack
1/23/2008, 06:14 PM
Yeah, McCain & I go way back. After McCain-Feingold act, I joined with the recall McCain petition effort. (He had been re-elected in AZ shortly before he and Feingold got together for that assault on the First Amendment)

Does he have soft hands? Who got to be back spoon?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 06:17 PM
Does he have soft hands? Who got to be back spoon?Is that some of the terminology used by you guys?

Scott D
1/23/2008, 06:54 PM
clearly RLIMC is bitter because John McCain could quit him.

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 08:28 PM
My, you're convincing. What is it you want us to do, vote Hillary?
Uhm...I can see how my defending of the Republican Candidate, John McCain, can lead you to that conclusion.

Wait.

Uhm...no. No I can't, actually.

:pop:

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 08:32 PM
McCain has skeletons in his closet the media and the Clintons haven't yet uncovered, since they know he's vulnerable, and WANT him to get the namination (unless somehow Paul or Huckabee could). The media DOESN'T want Romney to win the nomination, so they have and continue to go after him full-force. Romney, above all other repubs., will bring out the most conservatives to vote. A McCain nomination yields a dem socialist utopia, with Sir Hillary as grande poobah.
Yes...they'll get a Democrat Socialist Utopia.

Yup!

Dogs and cats...living together. MASS HYSTERIA!!!!

LMFAO

:D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 08:32 PM
Uhm...I can see how my defending of the Republican Candidate, John McCain, can lead you to that conclusion.

Wait.

Uhm...no. No I can't, actually.

:pop:Haha. You are at least tenacious. I don't believe for a second you will vote for McCain if he is the repub. candidate.

LosAngelesSooner
1/23/2008, 08:36 PM
Haha. You are at least tenacious. I don't believe for a second you will vote for McCain if he is the repub. candidate.
Like I care?

I was on his campaign in 2000 and would have voted for him had he been the nom. As it was I voted for Dubya...and regretted it ever since.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/23/2008, 08:51 PM
Like I care?

I was on his campaign in 2000 and would have voted for him had he been the nom. As it was I voted for Dubya...and regretted it ever since.Stands to reason.(the very last part of what you said)