Romney for POTUS

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

He's the only fairly conservative candidate that has a calm temperment and a teflon surface. The MSM(drive-bys) haven't been able to bury him yet, and they sure have tried. He's also the one they WANT to destroy the most, IMO.

[def_lazer_fc]

ZZZzzzzzzz....

[olevetonahill]

OleVet Fer POTUS
Walk 1/2 asssoft and smack their dicks in the dirt with the Biggest Stick !
Nuff said !
;) :pop:

[OklahomaTuba]

He seems nice, but I just don't know about him.

I think McCain &/or Rudy is the GOP's only chance at defeating Mr. Pants Suit.

Now if the donks are stupid enough to nominate Hussein Obama, then I think anyone of the GOP'rs have a chance (sans the neo-nazi Ron Paul).

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Would you actually want McCain? He's really out there, and only barely better than a dem. The media will destroy Rudy, I think. They have already given Romney the "Mormon inquisition" and nothing stuck.

[JohnnyMack]

Dude is creepy.

I'm out.

[sooneron]

"He just looks Presidential"

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

As creepy as socialism? I think not.

[C&CDean]

I've got some Mormon cousins. They scare me.

[crawfish]

Romney? Pffft. We'll prove that, yet again, a rich man can't buy an election.

My money's on McCain, although I'd prefer Huckabee. The latter is probably the only chance the GOP has of winning the GE.

I wish Paul's message was packaged better, because he's the only one in either party that's actually right.

[sooneron]

I've got some Mormon cousins. They scare me.
Hubler is so gonna neg you!:eek:

[OklahomaTuba]

I think McCain would be good actually. I think he is the type that could scare the hell out of Iran & AQ. I also believe he is a free market capitalist who wants low taxes. I suspect any judicial nominiees would be similar to Bush's at the end of the day.

I only care about those three things really. The immigration thing will pan out like it did here in Oklahoma, with the States passing laws making the illegals self-deport.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I think McCain would be good actually. I think he is the type that could scare the hell out of Iran & AQ. I also believe he is a free market capitalist who wants low taxes. I suspect any judicial nominiees would be similar to Bush's at the end of the day.

I only care about those three things really. The immigration thing will pan out like it did here in Oklahoma, with the States passing laws making the illegals self-deport.The media is hoping McCain or Huckabee gets the repub nomination, since they will easily be able to destroy either of them. They prolly wouldn't even have to, as many republicans will not vote if either of those guys somehow win the nomination.

[85Sooner]

Thompson nuff said

[Howzit]

Just my opinion, but I think there are a lot of Independents out there, myself included, that are hoping for a reason to vote Republican. And Romney ain't it.

Personally, I think McCain is the Republican's best hope, and he's getting my vote in the primary.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Just my opinion, but I think there are a lot of Independents out there, myself included, that are hoping for a reason to vote Republican. And Romney ain't it.

Personally, I think McCain is the Republican's best hope, and he's getting my vote in the primary.Haha, good one.

[soonerhubs]

I've got some Mormon cousins. They scare me.
So do I, and they scare the hell out of me as well. A buncha friggen weirdos. Sometimes I scare myself. ;)

[JohnnyMack]

It's not the Mormon part that scares me, he's just creepy in a greasy, politician/funeral home director kinda way.

[Pricetag]

The media is hoping McCain or Huckabee gets the repub nomination, since they will easily be able to destroy either of them. They prolly wouldn't even have to, as many republicans will not vote if either of those guys somehow win the nomination.
You've said that Romney has passed the media's "Mormon Inquisition," but what about his opponents in the primary, or even the average Republican voter? Didn't people have some pretty bad heartburn about Kennedy being Catholic? I'm guessing this guy won't pass the sniff test as a "real Christian" if he becomes a front runner.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Just my opinion, but I think there are a lot of Independents out there, myself included, that are hoping for a reason to vote Republican. And Romney ain't it.

Personally, I think McCain is the Republican's best hope for a democrat presidency, and he's getting my vote in the primary to try to seal it for Hillary or Obama..Sorry, fixed.

[Howzit]

Gosh, you're clever.

As I said, that's my opinion. I don't believe you are correct in thinking that Romney is the Republican party's best hope.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Gosh, you're clever.

As I said, that's my opinion. I don't believe you are correct in thinking that Romney is the Republican party's best hope.If you are serious, and think that McCain is conservative, and/or would make a passable president, I'm sorry to hear it. If you simply want to get the democrat elected, the strategy might work. It's kept him in the running so far in the states that allow independents to vote in the republican primaries.
I definitely think the media will massacre McCain if he gets the nomination. In any case, IMO, LOTS of republicans will sit home if McCain's the nominee.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You've said that Romney has passed the media's "Mormon Inquisition," but what about his opponents in the primary, or even the average Republican voter? Didn't people have some pretty bad heartburn about Kennedy being Catholic? I'm guessing this guy won't pass the sniff test as a "real Christian" if he becomes a front runner.You're not going to vote for a republican, anyway, right?

[Howzit]

I'm sorry

fixed.

And I agree.

[Pricetag]

You're not going to vote for a republican, anyway, right?
There's a good probability that I would vote for McCain over Obama, and definitely over Clinton. Like I've said before, anyone who ****es off the hardliners of his own party like McCain does endears himself to someone like me.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

fixed.

And I agree.What endears you to McCain? (is it Amnesty for Illegals, or possibly the McCain-Feingold law providing incumbency protection from competition in political campaigns?)

[Howzit]

What endears you to McCain? (is it Amnesty for Illegals, or possibly the McCain-Feingold law providing incumbency protection from competition in political campaigns?)

I support him because OUTuba does.

That's good enough for me.

[picasso]

too flippy floppy for me.

kinda like Howzie's boobs.

[Big Red Ron]

McCain. Mark it down.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

McCain. Mark it down.? Pls. elaborate

[Big Red Ron]

McCain is everyone's second choice. This year, that is going to be enough. If Romney doesn't win tonight, he might as well pack his bags.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

McCain is everyone's second choice. This year, that is going to be enough. If Romney doesn't win tonight, he might as well pack his bags.I'm thinking when the republicans only are allowed to vote in the repub. primaries, coming soon to a state near us all, we will see who the nominee will be. (God help us if McCain wins the nomination)

[Harry Beanbag]

Scuba kind of nominated Hannah Montana in another thread. I'm on that bandwagon.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Scuba kind of nominated Hannah Montana in another thread. I'm on that bandwagon.At least hers would be a real party!

[Big Red Ron]

McCain is our best chance to beat Billary.

Romney supported gay marriage and was pro abortion until he filed for Prez. He's Rudy but dishonest. Lame.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

McCain is our best chance to beat Billary.

Romney supported gay marriage and was pro abortion until he filed for Prez. He's Rudy but dishonest. Lame.Romney is against illegal immigration, says he wants to do something about it. McCain is for Amnesty, in all its various forms, and he shot holes in the first amendment with McCain-Feingold act/law.
Also, the media is salivating for McCain to be the nominee. They have some surprises in store for him.

[Big Red Ron]

Romney is against illegal immigration, says he wants to do something about it. McCain is for Amnesty, in all its various forms, and he shot holes in the first amendment with McCain-Feingold act/law.
Also, the media is salivating for McCain to be the nominee. They have some surprises in store for him.With all due respect, Reagan gave amnesty. For the record, I supported McCain in 2000 over Bush too.

Romney is just another silver spoon that will say whatever to get elected. His Daddy was Governor of Michigan, he should win tonight but beyond that, I don't see anymore big wins for him.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

With all due respect, Reagan gave amnesty. For the record, I supported McCain in 2000 over Bush too.

Romney is just another silver spoon that will say whatever to get elected. His Daddy was Governor of Michigan, he should win tonight but beyond that, I don't see anymore big wins for him.I am quite surprised that you would support McCain. If he wins the nomination, I would vote for him, but only because voting for any democrat is...
And I wouldn't be one to pout and stay at home.

[Big Red Ron]

I'm a foreign policy conservative. We're fighting two regional wars and a world war against radical Islam, thus John McCain.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

What endears you to McCain? (is it Amnesty for Illegals, or possibly the McCain-Feingold law providing incumbency protection from competition in political campaigns?)

He's not Mitt pander bear Romney. Romney lies to the folks in South Carolina, telling them the clothing/textile industries will return and the traditional auto jobs will return to Michigan under his Presidency. They aren't. It's time to move on. Get over it.

What endears me about McCain is his telling the voters the truth instead of what they want to hear (Romney).

[SanJoaquinSooner]

McCain is for Amnesty


that is a lie.

[SoonerAssault]

Dr. Ron Paul will get my vote. I'm a conservative and Dr. Paul is currently the only running. I will not speak for Dr. Paul and encourage everyone to take a look at http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/. Hopefully everyone will not listen to spin, rumors, and uninformed opinions about Dr. Paul. Watch the videos and look at his voting record, then make an informed decision. I think the Constitution was, is, and will always be the best governmental guideline.

[Big Red Ron]

Ron Paul is a Libertarian and is off his effin rocker. He is NOT a conservative.

[Blue]

McCain seems about 8 years late.
He's like a senile uncle. He spaces out on a regular basis. I was a fan in 2000, but I don't know if he could make it 4 years...my friend.

Huckabee would be a decent (maybe) pastor, but does not seem like a president to me.

As someone said, Romney panders, but may very well be the best the gop has to offer.

I look for Thompson to make a strong showing in S. Carolina and the rest of the south.

I believe the winner of the 3-man battle royal of Romney-Huck-Thompson will get the nominee. My money is on Romney. My vote...who knows.

[Blue]

Ron Paul has a few good ideas and many many bad ones. He deserves to be in the debates, though. He has the right to free speech and I have the right to think he's living in fantasyland.

[JohnnyMack]

I'm voting for Han Solo.

[Big Red Ron]

Ron Paul has a few good ideas and many many bad ones. He deserves to be in the debates, though. He has the right to free speech and I have the right to think he's living in fantasyland.Not to mention a feeble minded old fart.

[Blue]

That too. :)

Could you imagine that state of the union...

"Whaaat is gooing oooon!!!?"

[Big Red Ron]

That too. :)

Could you imagine that state of the union...

"Whaaat is gooing oooon!!!?"I think he drops acid in his Ensure before each debate.

[CatfishSooner]

Romney is against illegal immigration, says he wants to do something about it. McCain is for Amnesty, in all its various forms, and he shot holes in the first amendment with McCain-Feingold act/law.
Also, the media is salivating for McCain to be the nominee. They have some surprises in store for him.


what surprises?

[Big Red Ron]

what surprises?A "Third Party" group has begun running ads in S. Carolina saying that McCain sold out his fellow prisoners in Vietnam. What a load of BS. All signs point to the Romny campaign or more specifically, Mitt Romney's supporter's money. Of course it would be against the law for Mitt's campaign to be, at all, aware of the ad prior to them hitting the public airways. ;)

[SanJoaquinSooner]

THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR MAN, Rush:


By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writer
49 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Mitt Romney's victory in Michigan was a defeat for authenticity in politics.

The former Massachusetts governor pandered to voters, distorted his opponents' record and continued to show why he's the most malleable — and least credible — major presidential candidate.

And it worked.

The man who spoke hard truths to Michigan lost. Of all the reasons John McCain deserved a better result Tuesday night, his gamble on the economy stands out. The Arizona senator had the temerity to tell voters that a candidate who says traditional auto manufacturing jobs "are coming back is either naive or is not talking straight with the people of Michigan and America."

Instead of pandering, McCain said political leaders must "embrace green technologies," adding: "That's the future. That's what we want."

Romney jumped all over McCain, playing to the fears of voters in a state with the nation's highest unemployment rate. "I've heard people say that the auto jobs are gone and they're never coming back," Romney told his audiences. "Well, baloney, I'm going to fight for every single good job."

Of course, he'd fight for every job. So would McCain, or any future president. But how?

Judging by the brief campaign in Michigan, one candidate would flail away at the problem with empty rhetoric while the other would ask Americans to come to grips with the harsh realities of global competition, a tech-based economy and the urgent need to retrain a generation of workers.

Those aren't easy things for a politicians to say, but the truth is, the days are gone in Michigan and elsewhere when a high school graduate could land a factory job and count on a comfortable, stable middle-class life: a nice home, two cars, college tuition, health insurance and a pension.

Romney didn't talk about any of that.

Instead, he told voters what he thought they wanted to hear.

"I'm not open to a bailout, but I am open to a workout," Romney said of the auto industry, even as he vowed to spend $20 billion over five years for research on energy, fuels, automotive technology and material sciences. How many Michigan voters mistook that that for a multibillion-dollar bailout pledge?

Romney also said he wanted to modify a recently passed measure calling for U.S. vehicle fleets to average 35 miles per gallon by 2020. Well, baloney. Less than three years ago, Romney seemed to champion higher automobile standards. "Almost everything in America has gotten more efficient in the last decade, except the fuel economy of the vehicles we drive," he said in September 2005.

As is often the case with Romney, he has changed his tone, if not his mind.

This is a man who campaigned for governor of Democratic stronghold Massachusetts as a supporter of abortion rights, gay rights and gun control — only to switch sides on those and other issues in time for the GOP presidential race. The first thing he did as a presidential contender in January was sign the same no-tax pledge an aide dismissed as "government by gimmickry" during the 2002 campaign.

He was a political independent who voted for Democrat Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Massachusetts presidential primary; now he is a Reagan conservative. He was for embryonic stem cell research; now he favors restrictions on it.

Here's the puzzling part: Romney is a smart man who succeeded in both business and politics, by all accounts a solid family man who won over Democrats and independents in Massachusetts with his breezy charm and political moderation. He tackled one of the nation's most vexing issues — the cost and accessibility of health care — and helped devise a system in Massachusetts that requires both personal responsibility and government empathy.

Rather than running on his record as a can-do pragmatist in an era of government incompetence, Romney listened to advisers who said there was a tactical advantage in turning himself into the field's social conservative.

Their reasoning: Evangelicals and Republicans who put social issues atop their list had found McCain and Rudy Giuliani, the two early front-runners, unpalatable, so there was room to run on the right.

Now he's won Wyoming and Michigan and leads in the delegate count. Does pandering pay?

Exit polls suggest that Romney won among Michigan voters who cited the economy as their top issue and who said they were falling behind financially. McCain overwhelmingly won among voters who said they were looking for an authentic candidate, but the most-cited candidate quality was "shares my values," and Romney led among those voters.

But don't read too much into the results in Michigan, where a number of factors — starting with low turnout among independents — played to Romney's favor. And don't assume McCain is above it all; he shamelessly courted social conservatives last year and has vastly overstated progress in Iraq. In fact, all leaders pander, but Romney is taking the tactic to new heights.

This still looks to be an authenticity election. First, voters are tired of being spun by politicians who aren't getting their jobs done. From the Vietnam War and Watergate to the Iraq war and Katrina, politicians have failed the people they presume to lead, and often lied about it to boot.

Second, the Internet and other technological advances make it nearly impossible to hide a miscue or a shift of position. Can a candidate like Romney win in the YouTube era? Sure. He just did.

But to go all the way, Romney must overcome the original sin of his campaign — his choice to do whatever it takes to be president. The smart money says he can't.

[LosAngelesSooner]

He's the only fairly conservative candidate that has a calm temperment and a teflon surface. The MSM(drive-bys) haven't been able to bury him yet, and they sure have tried. He's also the one they WANT to destroy the most, IMO.
That's because he's slippier than Slick Willie EVER was...has fewer morals or principles than a snake oil salesman and (one of my favorite quotes of all time) was described by one insider thusly, "If he thought he could be elected by being a pirate, he'd run as one."

He truly is the candidate of change. He changes his position HOURLY.

I hope to GAWD that he's not our nominee. :rolleyes:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Lookit all the libs weighing in against Romney, Ron. Yeah, they want the best guy for the repubs, uh-huh.

[LosAngelesSooner]

If you are serious, and think that McCain is conservative, and/or would make a passable president, I'm sorry to hear it. If you simply want to get the democrat elected, the strategy might work. It's kept him in the running so far in the states that allow independents to vote in the republican primaries.
I definitely think the media will massacre McCain if he gets the nomination. In any case, IMO, LOTS of republicans will sit home if McCain's the nominee.
If that is true, can you essplain why the Democrats are making a concerted effort to get Democrats and Independents out to vote for Romney and why they've openly said that McCain is the candidate who scares them the most?

[r5TPsooner]

That's because he's slippier than Slick Willie EVER was...has fewer morals or principles than a snake oil salesman and (one of my favorite quotes of all time) was described by one insider thusly, "If he thought he could be elected by being a pirate, he'd run as one."

He truly is the candidate of change. He changes his position HOURLY.

I hope to GAWD that he's not our nominee. :rolleyes:


As a registered REPUBLICAN... I would rather vote for Billary or Obama over Romney. He changes his mind on issues more times than a hooker changes her underwear.

Personally, I'd like to see Thompson get the nod but he entered the race too late IMHO. I'm not big on religion in the White House either, so I'm voting for McCain if need be.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

what surprises?The media will turn from being supportive and/or quiet about McCain to a full assault on him, including trying to convince you he's not a conservative, pointing out all the things I'm pointing out, and more. It will have the effect of turning off republican voters. There are also some stories I've heard about his wartime record(his only claim to fame) is not as admirable as it has been portrayed. I don't know about that.(and frankly don't care, since he's a liberal on most issues, and I don't favor him on those grounds) If there's anything to those stories, they will find their way to media coverage. A McCain nomination will yield a democrat president.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

that is a lie.You re lying right there. Why?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

What endears me about McCain is his telling the voters the truth instead of what they want to hear (Romney).I think what endears you to mcCain is that he's liberal on most issues, and would therefore be your favorite republican if one were to win.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If that is true, can you essplain why the Democrats are making a concerted effort to get Democrats and Independents out to vote for Romney and why they've openly said that McCain is the candidate who scares them the most?IMO, you got it sorta, well, BACKWARDS. Is that an example of the BIG LIE?

[SoonerKnight]

I really don't see McCain as that much of a liberal. A lot of his positions are conservative. He is the best canidate the GOP has to offer. Romney will not win it. Hillary would lose to McCain. Reason number one is the whole idea of the "Reagan Democrats." He would be able to get many Dems to vote for him as well as the independant voters. It is a well established fact that neither party can win the general election without the independant voters. Romney will show his inexperience if he makes it to the general and so will Obama. If they are the canidates I would expect to see low voter turnout on election day.

[Harry Beanbag]

That's because he's slippier than Slick Willie EVER was...has fewer morals or principles than a snake oil salesman and (one of my favorite quotes of all time) was described by one insider thusly, "If he thought he could be elected by being a pirate, he'd run as one."

He truly is the candidate of change. He changes his position HOURLY.

I hope to GAWD that he's not our nominee. :rolleyes:


Still keeping up the charade I see. Wow.

http://www.websophist.com/Laughing_RoflSmileyLJ.gif

[LosAngelesSooner]

IMO, you got it sorta, well, BACKWARDS. Is that an example of the BIG LIE?I'VE got it backwards?

I'm just quoting one of the primo Republican campaign strategists who was being interviewed about it on Brit Hume today.

I guess HE'S lying (since it doesn't comply with your view of reality) :rolleyes:

[NYC Poke]

Rush, I'm a Democrat, so you can dismiss what I say, but I've long seen McCain as the Republicans best shot to hang on to the presidency. He still has tremendous appeal among Independents, the vast middle of our country, and may be appeal to attract enough votes away from the Democrats to win the general election.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that the media would crucify him should he win the nomination. He's been on the national stage for about a decade now. I would think that anything that could have been brought up by now would have, and he remains popular among the individual members of the media. I would expect to see a bloodbath to ensue if Huckabee or Romney received the nomination, largely because of their political naivety. A Giuliani nomination would be brutal because the guy has more skeletons in his closet than Indiana Jones.

I don't expect you to take my word for it, since you may believe my opinion to be self-serving. But check out the political futures market on Intrade. A contract that pays $100 for a McCain victory in the general election currently costs $14.70. A Romney contract costs $7.90. You can check out the prices for all the candidates here: http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/presidential/. For the nomination itself, McCain is currently selling for $33.00 and Romney at $21.20: http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/republican-presidential-nominee/.

While this certainly isn't a crystal ball, I view these as a little more reliable than polls, because people are backing up their opinions with their money.

[crawfish]

Ron Paul has a few good ideas and many many bad ones.

You realize you just described every single candidate, don't you?

The only difference is, most of the others' bad ideas will just continue us down our current path.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Rush, I'm a Democrat, so you can dismiss what I say...
...he remains popular among the individual members of the media.

I don't expect you to take my word for it, since you may believe my opinion to be self-serving. But check out the political futures market on Intrade. A contract that pays $100 for a McCain victory in the general election currently costs $14.70. A Romney contract costs $7.90. You can check out the prices for all the candidates here: http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/presidential/. For the nomination itself, McCain is currently selling for $33.00 and Romney at $21.20: http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/republican-presidential-nominee/.

While this certainly isn't a crystal ball, I view these as a little more reliable than polls, because people are backing up their opinions with their money.The media has been salivating for and trying to influence people to vote for McCain to get the Republican nomination, including back in the 2000 race. They have never gone into attack mode on him yet, because they want him to be the nominee before they rip him apart. ( of course, they wish there wasn't even a republican party at all, but they haven't found a way to make it disappear. I digress)
I agree he might appeal to some independents who don't have strong opinions about the issues, but he will get practically 0 democrat votes, and IMO lots of republicans think/know he's on the wrong side of most issues. I think enough of those people would sit home for the election to throw it to the democrats. Besides, the anal exam he would get from the media would make us embarrassed as a country, most likely, and certainly turn away some of his present supporters
Huckabee would get throttled by the media too. THEY HAVE ALREADY GONE AFTER ROMNEY, because they don't want him to be the nominee. They've gone after Giuliani some, too, since they don't like him, either. The MSM favorite republicans right now are McCain and Huckabee. That should tell you something.

[soonerhubs]

I'm against Huckabee b/c he's Baptist, and The Baptist Church is a Cult. ;)

[Civicus_Sooner]

I think what endears you to mcCain is that he's liberal on most issues, and would therefore be your favorite republican if one were to win.McCain is less liberal than Romney. Romney is just willing to lie about his positions to get elected.

[NYC Poke]

McCain is less liberal than Romney. Romney is just willing to lie about his positions to get elected.


Boy, no kidding. He should set up campaign headquarters at Waffle House.

[FaninAma]

I will not vote for any of the GOP candidates this year except for Paul. Bush's economic policies have been a disaster. It will take my kids, my kids' kids, my kids' kids' kids and several more generations to dig out from underneath the mountain of debt this country has accumulated under Bush's leadership.

I see no huge differences between what Bush has done over 7 years and what any of the other GOP candidates are advocating re: their economic policy.

The GOP is supposed to be the party of fiscal restraint. They have been anything but. They are the party of Big Oil and Goldman Sachs. They deserve to be returned to permanent minority staus and replaced by another viable political party who will consider the kind of country we are leaving our kids.

If Paul is not on the ticket this is one voter who has voted the straight GOP ticket who will stay home on election day.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Feb 7 or whenever the day is with all the primaries is just around the corner. Many will be states where independents can't vote in the repub primary. That will decide it.

[Civicus_Sooner]

I will not vote for any of the GOP candidates this year except for Paul. Bush's economic policies have been a disaster. It will take my kids, my kids' kids, my kids' kids' kids and several more generations to dig out from underneath the mountain of debt this country has accumulated under Bush's leadership.

I see no huge differences between what Bush has done over 7 years and what any of the other GOP candidates are advocating re: their economic policy.

The GOP is supposed to be the party of fiscal restraint. They have been anything but. They are the party of Big Oil and Goldman Sachs. They deserve to be returned to permanent minority staus and replaced by another viable political party who will consider the kind of country we are leaving our kids.

If Paul is not on the ticket this is one voter who has voted the straight GOP ticket who will stay home on election day.You don't think the wars and saving the airlines and reorganization of the federal government had a wee bit to do with Gov. spending not being restrained? The economy under Bush is growing at higher rate than under Clinton. That is a fact.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Feb 7 or whenever the day is with all the primaries is just around the corner. Many will be states where independents can't vote in the repub primary. That will decide it.Real Republicans know that Romney is a flip flopper on the big issues. They also know he would have to call his lawyers before he counter attacks a foreign nation.

I wish Fred Thompson hadn't waited so long to get in.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Real Republicans know that Romney is a flip flopper on the big issues. They also know he would have to call his lawyers before he counter attacks a foreign nation.

I wish Fred Thompson hadn't waited so long to get in.Reagan was once a democrat, and came to his senses. Romney's flipping has been in the right direction, and I don't know of him ever going back to any previously held position. (he has flipped, but not flopped) I would like to think ANY president would consult with his esquires before shooting up anybody, don'tcha think?

[FaninAma]

You don't think the wars and saving the airlines and reorganization of the federal government had a wee bit to do with Gov. spending not being restrained? The economy under Bush is growing at higher rate than under Clinton. That is a fact.

So, if I borrow and spend 25% more money every year than I make and then leave my children to deal with the debt will my life be considered prosperous and a success or will I deserve criticism for leaving my kids with so much debt?

Now remember, each and every year my income goes up and each and every year the "apparent" prosperity I create looks greater. But what are the final consequences of my irresponsible spending?

And that's the problem with the Bush "prosperity". It has been accomplished at the expense of a massive increase in government and private debt. It is a false, fleeting prosperity. All he has done is put off the day of reckoning and made that day much, much worse for our kids.

I am no fan of Clinton's, but I dare say that if the government had ran the types of deficits during his terms that Bush has ran that the economy of the 90's would have had scorching growth rates.

It's sad to say that Clinton was a much better fiscal conservative than Bush.

Bush's faux legacy is a legacy of false prosperity created on the back of massive debt, a weaker USD, a housing and credit bubble. His real legacy will be the big economic recession that will dominate his last 11 months of his presidency. Good riddance anyway.

And as far as the airlines go, it would have been better off to swallow the bitter pill early, allow them to consolidate into fewer, stronger companies. That's what we'll see happen anyway as Continental, Delta and Northwest are in talks right now to merge.

[SoonerAssault]

Romney's flipping has been in the right direction, and I don't know of him ever going back to any previously held position. (he has flipped, but not flopped) I would like to think ANY president would consult with his esquires before shooting up anybody, don'tcha think?

He is flip flopping to run as a republican. Look at the facts, he has flip flopped on almost all issues since running in liberal Massachusetts. He had a good platform in Massachusetts but has changed to the neo-conservative platform of expanding the Government and non-provoked wars. McCain and Romney both have horrible foreign policy plans and are set to drive the dollar even further down with increased spending. Let's bring the troops home(along with all the border guards in Iraq).

[LosAngelesSooner]

The media has been salivating for and trying to influence people to vote for McCain to get the Republican nomination, including back in the 2000 race. They have never gone into attack mode on him yet, because they want him to be the nominee before they rip him apart. ( of course, they wish there wasn't even a republican party at all, but they haven't found a way to make it disappear. I digress)
I agree he might appeal to some independents who don't have strong opinions about the issues, but he will get practically 0 democrat votes, and IMO lots of republicans think/know he's on the wrong side of most issues. I think enough of those people would sit home for the election to throw it to the democrats. Besides, the anal exam he would get from the media would make us embarrassed as a country, most likely, and certainly turn away some of his present supporters
Huckabee would get throttled by the media too. THEY HAVE ALREADY GONE AFTER ROMNEY, because they don't want him to be the nominee. They've gone after Giuliani some, too, since they don't like him, either. The MSM favorite republicans right now are McCain and Huckabee. That should tell you something.
You're right. I give up. It's all a vast Left Wing conspiracy. They want to disband our Republican party...and they (the Democrats) are really that well organized on this one issue...backing McCain. It's not because many Democrats actually like the guy (Jon Stewart anyone?). It's actually all a setup because they've all (CNN, NBC, MSNBC, FoxNews) got some serious ammo on him they're just KEEPING in the closet. They plan on blasting McCain once he's got the nomination, destroying the Republican party and "embarrasing the US" on the world stage." They're really afraid of Romney and are trying to get him out of the race because he's a "True Republican" and is our only hope.

P.S. - Thanks for not shooting at that UFO and starting an Interstellar War. That was quick thinking. We fellow Earthlings appreciate it.

:rolleyes:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You're right. I give up. It's all a vast Left Wing conspiracy. They want to disband our Republican party...and they (the Democrats) are really that well organized on this one issue...backing McCain. It's not because many Democrats actually like the guy (Jon Stewart anyone?). It's actually all a setup because they've all (CNN, NBC, MSNBC, FoxNews) got some serious ammo on him they're just KEEPING in the closet. They plan on blasting McCain once he's got the nomination, destroying the Republican party and "embarrasing the US" on the world stage." They're really afraid of Romney and are trying to get him out of the race because he's a "True Republican" and is our only hope.



:rolleyes:Is there a reason you keep calling it "our Republican party"? I agree that many democrats seem to like McCain. You understand my post pretty well. You think mocking it will be effective in convincing people it's incorrect. Those that agree with you already will approve of the mockery.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Okay. Fair enough. MY Republican Party. You are clearly no Republican.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Okay. Fair enough. MY Republican Party. You are clearly no Republican.Haha, BTW, thanks for your conservative insight.

[Scott D]

after seeing a low flying plane with the most ridiculous trailing banner I've ever seen, there is no reason any sane person should see Ron Paul's campaign for what it is. The galvanization of the lunatic fringe into the 'causeheads' of PCU fame.

[NYC Poke]

after seeing a low flying plane with the most ridiculous trailing banner I've ever seen, there is no reason any sane person should see Ron Paul's campaign for what it is. The galvanization of the lunatic fringe into the 'causeheads' of PCU fame.


He has the coolest blimp of any candidate.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Haha, BTW, thanks for your conservative insight.You're quite welcome. You certainly could use it.

[Scott D]

He has the coolest blimp of any candidate.

I've seen WW I era biplanes that were in better condition than the dingy yellow cessna that was flying far too low yesterday. So he might have a cool blimp, but he cant afford clean Cessnas...that's a huge sticking point imo. :)

[FaninAma]

I've seen WW I era biplanes that were in better condition than the dingy yellow cessna that was flying far too low yesterday. So he might have a cool blimp, but he cant afford clean Cessnas...that's a huge sticking point imo. :)

So, care to tell us who you support and what he/she stands for? Or are you just going to throw around disparaging invectives as a substitute for intelligent discourse?

[crawfish]

I've seen WW I era biplanes that were in better condition than the dingy yellow cessna that was flying far too low yesterday. So he might have a cool blimp, but he cant afford clean Cessnas...that's a huge sticking point imo. :)

Ron Paul's got, like, five guys officially working on his campaign. There are, unfortunately, quite a few overzealous supporters out there with more time than sense.

[Scott D]

So, care to tell us who you support and what he/she stands for? Or are you just going to throw around disparaging invectives as a substitute for intelligent discourse?

I don't support any of the candidates. Asking me which one I support would be akin to asking me what STD I'd like to be infected with. I'd rather see them all eradicated in the name of the American People and the Constitution of the United States.

[Pricetag]

Best analogy ever.

[r5TPsooner]

Having voted for this President twice... I'd have to say he'll go down as one of the worst President's of all time.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Wow, it took 3 pages before the Bush bashing began in earnest...could be a record in a political thread.

[Ike]

Being as objective as I can be, I think Romney probably will win the repub nomination. I can't say I blame the 'pubs for wanting him...he IS the Bill Clinton of the right. He's a sunshine pumper of the first order, and willing to say anything to get people to like him. Generally (and sadly), thats a winning strategy in elections. I don't know if he can pump enough sunshine across america to win the general...But it's possible. Either way, I've stopped caring who wins at this point. I'll be disappointed no matter what...

That may not be a good thing. The last time I was in this state about an election was 2000, and I voted for the guy I thought would be more entertaining to watch. It hasn't been all that entertaining really.

Can we just put a monkey in the white house and put us out of our misery?

[soonerhubs]

I view Romney as a smart business man who can do alot to improve the country's fiscal situation. Reagan put alot of business managers into politics when he was the Governor of California and it payed off there, so I'm not seeing why Romney is such a bad idea as commander and chief.

Also many of us are forgetting that Reagan changed his policy to Pro-life as well. I doubt folks will call him the John Kerry of the 80's.

All of a sudden, if someone changes their mind or comes to a new conclusion they are considered fickle.

No one that makes these statements can consider themselves true scientists because new discoveries that change minds are made all the time in research science whether it be social, physical, or biological.

Since when does being stubborn and sticking to your guns make you a great person? The current POTUS is under fire for holding this precise style of leadership.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

All of a sudden, if someone changes their mind or comes to a new conclusion they are considered fickle.



That's just it. All of a sudden. He was a liberal in 2005. Now he's Mr. Conservative.

[soonerhubs]

That's just it. All of a sudden. He was a liberal in 2005. Now he's Mr. Conservative.
I suppose the big questions are what did he change his stance on, and can you live with those changes?

I was under the impression he was always fiscally conservative. I may be wrong.

You Christians would appreciate the fact that Paul of Tarsus changed his policy on a few things including his name right? :D

[SoonerAssault]

Here's everything Romney has flip flopped on, some is quite the opposite in a short amount of time.


Abortion rights

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."Boston Herald Debate, 10/29/02

"Roe v. Wade continues to work its destructive logic throughout our society This can't continue."Speech to the Massachusetts Citizens For Life Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner, 5/10/07

Immigration reform

"With these 11 million people [here illegally], let's have them registered, know who they are....those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship."Lowell Sun, 3/30/06

"One simple rule: no amnesty.If that [Kennedy-McCain bill] is not a form of amnesty, I don't know what is."New York Times, 6/4/07

Gun laws

"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them. I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."Romney in 2002 gov. debate, Boston Globe, 1/14/07

"I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I'm a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms."Boston Globe, 1/14/07

Amendment to ban gay marriage

"Mitt does not support it...As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it's unnecessary."Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 3/22/02

"When I was Governor, we took every conceivable step within the law to stop, block or slow down this unprecedented court decision."Speech to

National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

"No new taxes" pledge

"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth"Associated Press, 3/27/02

"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies."Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 1/5/07

Minimum wage

"I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation. I think the minimum wage is a good thing to have in our economy and I think it ought to be updated."Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"[T]he challenge with raising the minimum wage excessively is it is a hurt to those that are entering the work force, the very poor, those that are trying to get early jobs, get those first jobs."Associated Press, 7/25/06

Cutting Social Security

"I don't think you go back and rewrite the contract the government has with people who've retired."Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"Personal accounts would be a big plus."... [Romney]also said changing the retirement age could be considered, as well as basing the Social Security cost of living adjustment on a different inflation gauge.Union Leader, 6/7/07

Adoption non-discrimination

Governor Mitt Romney and a legislative leader yesterday delivered unwelcome news to the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts, who plan to seek permission from the state to exclude gay and lesbian parents from adopting children through its social service agencies. The governor said he was not authorized to give such an exemption...Boston Globe, 2/17/06

"And then another slide along the slippery slope. The Catholic Church was forced to end its adoption service, which was crucial in helping the state find homes for some of our most difficult to place children... Now, even religious freedom was being trumped by the new-found 'right' of gay marriage."Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

Stem cell research

[Romney]endorsed embryonic stem cell research, saying the controversial science might one day help treat his wife's multiple sclerosis...."I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research. I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch."Boston Globe, 6/14/02

"FACT: Governor Romney Opposes Using Taxpayer Money to Fund Embryo-Destructive Research."MittRomney.com A Record of Protecting Life
Bush tax cuts

Governor Mitt Romney refused yesterday to endorse tax cuts at the heart of President Bush's economic program...In addition to refusing to endorse the president's tax cut, the governor surprised several people at the meeting by saying he is open to a federal increase in gas taxes.Boston Globe, 4/11/0

[Romney] said it was "absolutely critical" to renew tax cuts proposed by President George W. Bush. Letting them expire would result in a "massive tax increase" that would retard economic growth, Romney said.Detroit Free Press, 2/8/07

Reagan Republicanism

"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."Boston Herald, 10/27/94

"Ronald Reagan is ... my hero. ... I believe that our party's ascendancy began with Ronald Reagan's brand of visionary and courageous leadership."Boston Globe, 1/19/07

Desire to serve in Vietnam

"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam..."Boston Herald, 5/2/94

"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."Boston Globe, 6/24/07

[soonerhubs]

Here's everything Romney has flip flopped on, some is quite the opposite in a short amount of time.


Abortion rights

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."Boston Herald Debate, 10/29/02

"Roe v. Wade continues to work its destructive logic throughout our society This can't continue."Speech to the Massachusetts Citizens For Life Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner, 5/10/07

Immigration reform

"With these 11 million people [here illegally], let's have them registered, know who they are....those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship."Lowell Sun, 3/30/06

"One simple rule: no amnesty.If that [Kennedy-McCain bill] is not a form of amnesty, I don't know what is."New York Times, 6/4/07

Gun laws

"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them. I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."Romney in 2002 gov. debate, Boston Globe, 1/14/07

"I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I'm a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms."Boston Globe, 1/14/07

Amendment to ban gay marriage

"Mitt does not support it...As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it's unnecessary."Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 3/22/02

"When I was Governor, we took every conceivable step within the law to stop, block or slow down this unprecedented court decision."Speech to

National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

"No new taxes" pledge

"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth"Associated Press, 3/27/02

"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies."Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 1/5/07

Minimum wage

"I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation. I think the minimum wage is a good thing to have in our economy and I think it ought to be updated."Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"[T]he challenge with raising the minimum wage excessively is it is a hurt to those that are entering the work force, the very poor, those that are trying to get early jobs, get those first jobs."Associated Press, 7/25/06

Cutting Social Security

"I don't think you go back and rewrite the contract the government has with people who've retired."Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"Personal accounts would be a big plus."... [Romney]also said changing the retirement age could be considered, as well as basing the Social Security cost of living adjustment on a different inflation gauge.Union Leader, 6/7/07

Adoption non-discrimination

Governor Mitt Romney and a legislative leader yesterday delivered unwelcome news to the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts, who plan to seek permission from the state to exclude gay and lesbian parents from adopting children through its social service agencies. The governor said he was not authorized to give such an exemption...Boston Globe, 2/17/06

"And then another slide along the slippery slope. The Catholic Church was forced to end its adoption service, which was crucial in helping the state find homes for some of our most difficult to place children... Now, even religious freedom was being trumped by the new-found 'right' of gay marriage."Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

Stem cell research

[Romney]endorsed embryonic stem cell research, saying the controversial science might one day help treat his wife's multiple sclerosis...."I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research. I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch."Boston Globe, 6/14/02

"FACT: Governor Romney Opposes Using Taxpayer Money to Fund Embryo-Destructive Research."MittRomney.com A Record of Protecting Life
Bush tax cuts

Governor Mitt Romney refused yesterday to endorse tax cuts at the heart of President Bush's economic program...In addition to refusing to endorse the president's tax cut, the governor surprised several people at the meeting by saying he is open to a federal increase in gas taxes.Boston Globe, 4/11/0

[Romney] said it was "absolutely critical" to renew tax cuts proposed by President George W. Bush. Letting them expire would result in a "massive tax increase" that would retard economic growth, Romney said.Detroit Free Press, 2/8/07

Reagan Republicanism

"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."Boston Herald, 10/27/94

"Ronald Reagan is ... my hero. ... I believe that our party's ascendancy began with Ronald Reagan's brand of visionary and courageous leadership."Boston Globe, 1/19/07

Desire to serve in Vietnam

"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam..."Boston Herald, 5/2/94

"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."Boston Globe, 6/24/07
Meh.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Having voted for this President twice... I'd have to say he'll go down as one of the worst President's of all time.
You are absolutely wrong. History will view this President (Much like Reagan) in a much better light than his current polling status.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Meh.Romney now espouses conservative positons on most everything. Good for him/us. If he continues to passionately pursue those ideas while in office, we'll be a lot better off as a country.

[LosAngelesSooner]

You are absolutely wrong. History will view this President (Much like Reagan) in a much better light than his current polling status.Guffaw!


Romney now espouses conservative positons on most everything. Good for him/us. If he continues to passionately pursue those ideas while in office, we'll be a lot better off as a country.Double Guffaw!

[Vaevictis]

Since when does being stubborn and sticking to your guns make you a great person? The current POTUS is under fire for holding this precise style of leadership.

Being able to recognize when you're wrong and adjust your stance accordingly is admirable. Being a political windsock is not.

I get the impression that Romney is the latter.

[soonerscuba]

You are absolutely wrong. History will view this President (Much like Reagan) in a much better light than his current polling status.

You do realize that Reagan was regarded as a strong president within his term and ranks 2nd all time on approval upon leaving office, right?

It will be a few decades before the dust settles on the Bush presidency, but my gut tells me it probably won't be kind to him.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You do realize that Reagan was regarded as a strong president within his term and ranks 2nd all time on approval upon leaving office, right?

It will be a few decades before the dust settles on the Bush presidency, but my gut tells me it probably won't be kind to him.The media terrorized Reagan the entire time he was in office, often portraying him as likely senile, and/or "tired", talking about him taking naps, and that his wife was a witch, meaner than Leona Helmsley. Were you guys not around during that time, or did you just forget?

[1stTimeCaller]

oh lored

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Being able to recognize when you're wrong and adjust your stance accordingly is admirable. Being a political windsock is not.

I get would like to characterize Romney as the latter. Let's find out. At least he now stands for good causes. Clinton, Obama, McCain, Huckabee and Paul do not.

[r5TPsooner]

You are absolutely wrong. History will view this President (Much like Reagan) in a much better light than his current polling status.


Please, may I have a toke off your pipe?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Let's find out. At least he now stands for good causes. Clinton, Obama, McCain, Huckabee and Paul do not. Yeah. Health care for the poor, housing the homeless, anti-drug education, strong military with stronger international diplomacy, not cutting benefits to our Vets., education reform, help to families losing their homes due to the collapse of the housing bubble, green energy, fiscal conservatism, non-deficit spending, environmental awareness, not torturing people, upholding the Constitution...

What evil...evil causes. They should be ashamed. :rolleyes:

[soonerhubs]

What evil...evil causes. They should be ashamed. :rolleyes:
They're not evil, they just raise taxes. I'm not for that.
Technically, most of them are corrupt and greedy no matter what side they take.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

They're not evil, they just raise taxes. I'm not for that.
They are vote-buying expenditures, and most are not proper functions of government.

[Octavian]

used car salesman

[Ike]

I view Romney as a smart business man who can do alot to improve the country's fiscal situation. Reagan put alot of business managers into politics when he was the Governor of California and it payed off there, so I'm not seeing why Romney is such a bad idea as commander and chief.

Also many of us are forgetting that Reagan changed his policy to Pro-life as well. I doubt folks will call him the John Kerry of the 80's.

All of a sudden, if someone changes their mind or comes to a new conclusion they are considered fickle.

No one that makes these statements can consider themselves true scientists because new discoveries that change minds are made all the time in research science whether it be social, physical, or biological.

Since when does being stubborn and sticking to your guns make you a great person? The current POTUS is under fire for holding this precise style of leadership.

I don't consider Romney fickle just because he changed his mind. I consider him a sunshine pumper because no matter where he is, He says what the people there want to hear. In Michigan, it was "I'm going to save the auto industry". In Iowa it was "I'm going to save the family farm". Maybe he can...but where he is long on sunshine pumping and smiles, he is short on details (as are most of the other candidates too)...Just look at how many times he works in the phrase "I love America" into responses to questions. His mannerisms and responses at almost every turn suggest that he is more interested in making people believe he cares about whatever he is talking about than actually caring about whatever it is he is talking about. The fact that he has changed his tune on a number of key issues to be almost exactly in line with what is expected of a republican candidate is somewhat troubling. Possible that he really has had a change of heart, but the shear number of issues on which he has done a 180 from his stated stances in previous gubinatorial campaigns suggests that if it were expected that a candidate be a a pirate in order to win, that he would be out there with an eyepatch, a beard and saying "yarrr" all the time.


I could be wrong. But from where I stand, and seeing what I see, he is RBC. (Republican Bill Clinton)

[Civicus_Sooner]

You do realize that Reagan was regarded as a strong president within his term and ranks 2nd all time on approval upon leaving office, right?

It will be a few decades before the dust settles on the Bush presidency, but my gut tells me it probably won't be kind to him.
Absolutely wrong. Reagan was embroiled in the Iran Contra scandal and criticized for not cutting spending at the same rate as his tax cuts. It was only years later when the USSR and Berlin Wall fell that he began to receive the accolades as the visionary he was. Hindsight is 20/20. When we defeat radical Islam, Bush will be credited and rightfully so with beginning the process.

[76soonergrad]

Here's everything Romney has flip flopped on, some is quite the opposite in a short amount of time.


Abortion rights

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."Boston Herald Debate, 10/29/02

"Roe v. Wade continues to work its destructive logic throughout our society This can't continue."Speech to the Massachusetts Citizens For Life Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner, 5/10/07

Immigration reform

"With these 11 million people [here illegally], let's have them registered, know who they are....those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship."Lowell Sun, 3/30/06

"One simple rule: no amnesty.If that [Kennedy-McCain bill] is not a form of amnesty, I don't know what is."New York Times, 6/4/07

Gun laws

"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them. I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."Romney in 2002 gov. debate, Boston Globe, 1/14/07

"I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I'm a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms."Boston Globe, 1/14/07

Amendment to ban gay marriage

"Mitt does not support it...As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it's unnecessary."Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 3/22/02

"When I was Governor, we took every conceivable step within the law to stop, block or slow down this unprecedented court decision."Speech to

National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

"No new taxes" pledge

"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth"Associated Press, 3/27/02

"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies."Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 1/5/07

Minimum wage

"I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation. I think the minimum wage is a good thing to have in our economy and I think it ought to be updated."Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"[T]he challenge with raising the minimum wage excessively is it is a hurt to those that are entering the work force, the very poor, those that are trying to get early jobs, get those first jobs."Associated Press, 7/25/06

Cutting Social Security

"I don't think you go back and rewrite the contract the government has with people who've retired."Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"Personal accounts would be a big plus."... [Romney]also said changing the retirement age could be considered, as well as basing the Social Security cost of living adjustment on a different inflation gauge.Union Leader, 6/7/07

Adoption non-discrimination

Governor Mitt Romney and a legislative leader yesterday delivered unwelcome news to the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts, who plan to seek permission from the state to exclude gay and lesbian parents from adopting children through its social service agencies. The governor said he was not authorized to give such an exemption...Boston Globe, 2/17/06

"And then another slide along the slippery slope. The Catholic Church was forced to end its adoption service, which was crucial in helping the state find homes for some of our most difficult to place children... Now, even religious freedom was being trumped by the new-found 'right' of gay marriage."Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

Stem cell research

[Romney]endorsed embryonic stem cell research, saying the controversial science might one day help treat his wife's multiple sclerosis...."I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research. I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch."Boston Globe, 6/14/02

"FACT: Governor Romney Opposes Using Taxpayer Money to Fund Embryo-Destructive Research."MittRomney.com A Record of Protecting Life
Bush tax cuts

Governor Mitt Romney refused yesterday to endorse tax cuts at the heart of President Bush's economic program...In addition to refusing to endorse the president's tax cut, the governor surprised several people at the meeting by saying he is open to a federal increase in gas taxes.Boston Globe, 4/11/0

[Romney] said it was "absolutely critical" to renew tax cuts proposed by President George W. Bush. Letting them expire would result in a "massive tax increase" that would retard economic growth, Romney said.Detroit Free Press, 2/8/07

Reagan Republicanism

"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."Boston Herald, 10/27/94

"Ronald Reagan is ... my hero. ... I believe that our party's ascendancy began with Ronald Reagan's brand of visionary and courageous leadership."Boston Globe, 1/19/07

Desire to serve in Vietnam

"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam..."Boston Herald, 5/2/94

"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."Boston Globe, 6/24/07



That's what being governor of the most liberal state will do to you.

I think they ALL change either during their campaign, or when they become president. I do think he looks a liitle too slick. Did his father run for President?









__________________________

[soonerscuba]

Absolutely wrong. Reagan was embroiled in the Iran Contra scandal and criticized for not cutting spending at the same rate as his tax cuts. It was only years later when the USSR and Berlin Wall fell that he began to receive the accolades as the visionary he was. Hindsight is 20/20. When we defeat radical Islam, Bush will be credited and rightfully so with beginning the process.

Selling weapons to an avowed enemy of the US tends to do that. He ran mid to upper fifties through the majority of his terms (spiked when he got shot). Look it up. Heh, I remember when France defeated radical Islam in 732. I'm not saying that you may well be right, but I don't believe that will be the case.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Absolutely wrong. Reagan was embroiled in the Iran Contra scandal and criticized for not cutting spending at the same rate as his tax cuts. It was only years later when the USSR and Berlin Wall fell that he began to receive the accolades as the visionary he was. Hindsight is 20/20. When we defeat radical Islam, Bush will be credited and rightfully so with beginning the process.
It's Puff Puff GIIIIVE, Smokey!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[LosAngelesSooner]

Selling weapons to an avowed enemy of the US tends to do that. He ran mid to upper fifties through the majority of his terms (spiked when he got shot). Look it up. Heh, I remember when France defeated radical Islam in 732. I'm not saying that you may well be right, but I don't believe that will be the case. You REMEMBER 732 A.D.?!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek:

*whisper*Gilgamesh*whisper*

[Vaevictis]

When we defeat radical Islam, Bush will be credited and rightfully so with beginning the process.

Credited with starting the process... off on the wrong foot, most likely.

[Big Red Ron]

Selling weapons to an avowed enemy of the US tends to do that. He ran mid to upper fifties through the majority of his terms (spiked when he got shot). Look it up. Heh, I remember when France defeated radical Islam in 732. I'm not saying that you may well be right, but I don't believe that will be the case.Heck Bill Clinton's even spiked after the OKC bombing, which saved his presidency by the way. At least we have federal agents killing other people and not our own citizens.:rolleyes:

[Big Red Ron]

Absolutely wrong. Reagan was embroiled in the Iran Contra scandal and criticized for not cutting spending at the same rate as his tax cuts. It was only years later when the USSR and Berlin Wall fell that he began to receive the accolades as the visionary he was. Hindsight is 20/20. When we defeat radical Islam, Bush will be credited and rightfully so with beginning the process.The force is strong with this one.