New Arizona anti-illegal alien statute

[Okla-homey]

...goes into force today. Pretty draconian. It gives the state the authority to revoke the business license of any company that knowingly employs illegals.

In contrast, OUr stat only makes it a crime to knowingly employ illegals.

I'm watching Arkie to see what they do. I bet they won't touch the issue because too many poulterers and hog farms rely on those folks. And that, along with Bentonville, makes Arkie go.

[GottaHavePride]

I'm waiting for New Mexico's anti-space-alien legislation.

[Petro-Sooner]

Build it, and they won't come.

[Flagstaffsooner]

Live on the scene report: The Messicans are still here.:(

[mikeelikee]

Was the language in the Arizona law composed by Sheriff Joe Arpaiao. Love that guy!!

[IB4OU2]

Live on the scene report: The Messicans are still here.:(

So are the "Black Dutch"......:(

btw, who are the "Black Dutch"?

[Okla-homey]

So are the "Black Dutch"......:(

btw, who are the "Black Dutch"?

Dutch-speaking indigenous persons in former colonies in Equatorial Africa owned by the Netherlands I suspect.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Hell, if Texass ever implemented something like that, half the population of San Antonio would go away overnight.

[Jimminy Crimson]

Kudos, 'Zona!

[Mixer!]

So are the "Black Dutch"......:(

btw, who are the "Black Dutch"?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5272/dutchnb8.jpg

[SoonerBorn68]

I'm guessing about 1/2 of the illegals fled OK to Liberal. Many of the business signs are in Spanish only, along with bilingual everything else.

[Jerk]

I'm guessing about 1/2 of the illegals fled OK to Liberal. Many of the business signs are in Spanish only, along with bilingual everything else.
Wonderful place, isn't it? We went there back in June to get something to eat...at midnight. We all agreed that we'd never go back again. I'd hate to see what it looks like in the daytime.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

The issue has cooked the GOP in California. With our huge tourist/hotel/restaurant, construction, and agriculture industries, we have an insatiable demand for labor. Check out this article:

GOP voters decry stances on illegal immigration

By Susan Ferriss - Sacramento Bee

Published 12:00 am PST Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Pat Ricutti is a diehard Republican voter, but he laments what he's hearing from GOP presidential contenders about illegal immigration.

The Fresno fruit and grape farmer gave money to former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani last February at a fundraiser. He said he won't be giving him or any other candidate a dime more at this point, though, until he starts hearing alternatives to calling for millions of illegal immigrants to be shipped off or pressured to leave voluntarily.

"We're what, the sixth or seventh largest economy in the world?" Ricutti said, referring to California. "Do they really know what it would be (like) to send all these people off? It will cause a major disruption in the American way of life."

Ricutti may be Republican, but he's also among tens of thousands of California business owners - farmers and landscapers, hotel and restaurant operators, nursing home managers and home builders - who hire immigrant laborers.

Immigration is a complicated issue, they say, and as balloting in the Feb. 5 state primary approaches many of them are dismayed that all the GOP front-runners - with the exception of Arizona Sen. John McCain - have abandoned moderate, nuanced stances.

In the early primary states of Iowa and New Hampshire and in televised ads and debates, candidates have made toughness against illegal immigrants centerpieces of their campaigns. They've declared they won't support "amnesty" for any illegal immigrants, or allowing them to stay to earn legal residency.

Business trade groups with many GOP-leaning members and U.S. labor unions support giving a chance to long-working illegal immigrants to try to earn legal residency. Businesses are also calling for a major overhaul of the nation's immigration rules so, as enforcement increases, they can be positive they're hiring legal immigrants and also sure there won't be labor shortages.

After a long stalemate in Congress over immigration reform, they say they don't want their next president to stick to uncompromising positions they believe are foolhardy.

"These candidates should really get some experts in and try to understand our industries before they start spouting off," said active Republican Cindy Mitchell, who runs Citadel Marble and Tile in West Sacramento. She said she always checks documents, but she's very concerned about future labor shortages and wants to be sure a way exists to hire legal foreign workers, if necessary.

It's enough to make her vote Democrat, she said, if she doesn't feel a Republican president is going to help the business community.

In a Nov. 29 CNN-YouTube debate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney rejected allowing undocumented workers a chance to stay and earn residency. He tried to soften his position by implying that illegal immigrants would be welcomed back if they went home and applied to return, out of fairness, just like others who are waiting in line to immigrate legally.

"If you're here illegally, then you ought to be able to return home or get in line with everybody else," said Romney.

One of the problems with Romney's idea, as some employers know from first-hand experience, is that most of those same people don't have a line to get into.

Most immigrants - other than refugees - gain legal entry to the United States because they have a close family member to sponsor them. Hundreds of thousands enter each year via family sponsorship.

But only 5,000 visas a year are available for U.S. businesses to compete for to try to sponsor workers to permanently immigrate to fill nonprofessional labor shortages in industries as diverse as food-processing to convalescent care.

Employers argue that as a result, labor shortages have essentially been filled for years by undocumented workers, who knew they could find jobs if they survived the border crossing and obtained fake documents.

During the same CNN-YouTube debate, Giuliani accused Romney of a "holier than thou" attitude toward illegal immigration and hypocrisy because Romney's landscaper was employing illegal immigrants.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, whom Romney has accused of being soft on illegal immigrants, released a position paper trying to strike a law-and-order position, combined with a dose of compassion. He called on the estimated 12 million undocumented people here to return home within 120 days - a choice that wouldn't disqualify them from getting in line to apply to return legally.

Ricutto guffawed at this. "I'm all for having them come legally. But let's create a system to do that," he said.

"People in this country don't get it yet," he said, adding that other countries realize they need to import nonprofessional workers to perform certain jobs and have designed systems to manage that.

The rift in California's GOP over immigration has some party faithful arguing that the "no amnesty" stance is what GOP voters want to hear. Placer County GOP Chairman Tom Hudson, a tax attorney and state employee, is among them. While he's leaning toward Romney, Hudson said he's bothered that the former governor had "to convert" to his current position.

A survey released this month by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California suggests, though, that GOP-sympathetic employers are not a minority in their views on immigration. According to the survey, 72 percent of likely voters in California favor giving undocumented workers a chance to stay here and earn residency. Republicans favor earned residency over deportation 51 percent to 43 percent, with 6 percent saying they aren't sure.

In July of 2006, the Field Poll, another well-regarded nonpartisan opinion survey group, found that 63 percent of California Republicans favored comprehensive immigration reform that includes border security, guest worker programs and paths to legal residency.

Last February, at the same private Giuliani fundraiser in Fresno that Ricutti attended, another farmer, Manuel Cuhna, was thrilled when he was able to ask the man he thought would be his candidate the first question of the event. It was about businesses' urgent need for immigration change that guarantees access to a legal labor force.

"He told me flat out, in front of everybody, 'I understand and support comprehensive immigration reform,' " Cuhna said.

Another Giuliani fundraiser followed, in June, in Fresno and Cuhna saw a disheartening change.

"He did a 180-degree turn," Cuhna said. "He said 'It's got to be enforcement first.' "

Giuliani's reversal so upset Cuhna, who has worked on many GOP presidential campaigns, that if the primary were held today he would probably skip the vote. "I thought my party cared about businesses and hard-working people," he said.

Cuhna sighed, and went on to describe a candidate he believes understands his point of view. "You know who gets this?" he said. "The person who really has a handle on this is Hillary Clinton."

[olevetonahill]

Like I give a **** about Califonia :eek:
Or what Bilary thinks !

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Like I give a **** about Califonia :eek:
Or what Bilary thinks !

consistent with general Oklahoma nonchalant attitude about growing the economy ....wonder why so many OU grads get years of in-state tuition and then go to other states to get good jobs?


and talk about the hypocrites.... Oklahoma gives amnesty to those who ran bingo parlors when they were illegal, Oklahoma gives amnesty to those who served liquor by the drink when it was illegal, and Oklahoma gives amnesty to tattoo artists when they were illegal, but now let's get holier than thou about poor folks who want to work. I say legalize working. give them damned worker visas. sending them home to "get in line" doesn't work unless the worker visa laws are reformed so a line exists that reasonably leads to a legal visa.

the welfare bit is a red herring. fight to end welfare for all. If it's bad, it's bad for all. outlaw welfare and legalize working.


In my department , where I work, we have two openings. Anyone in the world can apply, and if they are the best, we can hire them. We have about 200 applicants. CALL Sheriff Joe Arpaiao!!! STOP THE INVASION OF APPLICANTS! PLEASE STOP US BEFORE WE HIRE THE MOST QUALIFIED!!!


the labor market needs to be a free market like any other market. the most qualified should get the job. no affirmative action. and the employer should determine who the most qualified is, not some gov't bureaucrat.

[olevetonahill]

consistent with general Oklahoma nonchalant attitude about growing the economy ....wonder why so many OU grads get years of in-state tuition and then go to other states to get good jobs?


and talk about the hypocrites.... Oklahoma gives amnesty to those who ran bingo parlors when they were illegal, Oklahoma gives amnesty to those who served liquor by the drink when it was illegal, and Oklahoma gives amnesty to tattoo artists when they were illegal, but now let's get holier than thou about poor folks who want to work. I say legalize working. give them damned worker visas. sending them home to "get in line" doesn't work unless the worker visa laws are reformed so a line exists that reasonably leads to a legal visa.

the welfare bit is a red herring. fight to end welfare for all. If it's bad, it's bad for all. outlaw welfare and legalize working.


In my department , where I work, we have two openings. Anyone in the world can apply, and if they are the best, we can hire them. We have about 200 applicants. CALL Sheriff Joe Arpaiao!!! STOP THE INVASION OF APPLICANTS! PLEASE STOP US BEFORE WE HIRE THE MOST QUALIFIED!!!


the labor market needs to be a free market like any other market. the most qualified should get the job. no affirmative action. and the employer should determine who the most qualified is, not some gov't bureaucrat.

Ill respond when Im sobre
Might be a month or so :D

[SicEmBaylor]

consistent with general Oklahoma nonchalant attitude about growing the economy ....wonder why so many OU grads get years of in-state tuition and then go to other states to get good jobs?

I think that's more an indictment on the state government's (and by that I mean state Democrats as they controlled the legislature for almost the entirety of our state's history) ability to attract and develop economic interests over the decades. Hell, even Arkansas has proven itself more capable of attracting development than we have. Arkansas! It's also hard to compete with that economic behemoth to the south.


and talk about the hypocrites.... Oklahoma gives amnesty to those who ran bingo parlors when they were illegal, Oklahoma gives amnesty to those who served liquor by the drink when it was illegal, and Oklahoma gives amnesty to tattoo artists when they were illegal, but now let's get holier than thou about poor folks who want to work.

Most of the examples you just gave involve state not Federal issues. I wish the state would enforce its laws (especially against tattoo artists when it was illegal), but that's like calling a cop a hypocrite because he doesn't stop a car for speeding but does arrest the guys committing armed robbery. It's apples and oranges. I wouldn't compare tattoo artists and selling alcohol with illegal immigration.


I say legalize working. give them damned worker visas. sending them home to "get in line" doesn't work unless the worker visa laws are reformed so a line exists that reasonably leads to a legal visa.

Well, we just disagree.


the welfare bit is a red herring. fight to end welfare for all. If it's bad, it's bad for all. outlaw welfare and legalize working.

The idea of eliminating welfare and legalizing working makes me salivate, but I'm still not in favor of handing out visas to every idiot who makes it across the Rio Grande.



In my department , where I work, we have two openings. Anyone in the world can apply, and if they are the best, we can hire them. We have about 200 applicants. CALL Sheriff Joe Arpaiao!!! STOP THE INVASION OF APPLICANTS! PLEASE STOP US BEFORE WE HIRE THE MOST QUALIFIED!!!


the labor market needs to be a free market like any other market. the most qualified should get the job. no affirmative action. and the employer should determine who the most qualified is, not some gov't bureaucrat.

You're right that the government shouldn't have a role in deciding who gets hired. Employers should be able to hire or fire whoever the hell they wish. Some racist jerkoff should have the right to fire his employees who aren't white or not hire them in the first place or perhaps weed gays out of his/her workplace. I don't care.

The role of the government here isn't in deciding who should or should not be hired -- the role of the government is to ensure the integrity of our borders and our culture as a whole. A lot of folks against illegal immigration will tell you that they're in favor of legal immigration, but I'm not in favor of broad legal immigration either.

At any rate, what you're talking about will lead the the balkanization of this country and lead to the spread of dangerous separatist organizations.

[LoyalFan]

Was the language in the Arizona law composed by Sheriff Joe Arpaiao. Love that guy!!

If only we could clone him x a million.

LF