Granger Suspended From Fiesta Bowl Game

[DoubleDown]

I just got a call from a friend who is out in AZ. He said there is scuttlebutt going around there that one of the defensive starters has been sent home after being arrested for shoplifting. I was wondering if anyone else has heard this?

(BTW, he gave me the name but I would rather not say. Let's just say it will hurt more than losing RS and LH.)

[Monster Zero]

That would not be good but it would be better than NOT being sent home for getting arrested.

Stoops will use this to motivate everyone else. We're gonna win anyway.

[insuranceman_22]

You gotta give a name, come on now.......

I hope it's simply a wild rumor.....

[GreenSooner]

If it is just a rumor, the young man in question deserves not to have his name attached to it. Let's not throw his name around (which I, incidentally, don't know) unless we know the rumor is true.

[OUAndy1807]

If it is just a rumor, the young man in question deserves not to have his name attached to it. Let's not throw his name around (which I, incidentally, don't know) unless we know the rumor is true.
if we knew it was true would it still be a rumor?

[DoubleDown]

If it is just a rumor, the young man in question deserves not to have his name attached to it. Let's not throw his name around (which I, incidentally, don't know) unless we know the rumor is true.

That's why I didn't want to say his name. I'm hoping and praying this is just a nasty rumor.

[PeoriaSooner]

What position are we talking about? D-Line, LB, or DB?

[Sooner_Bob]

if we knew it was true would it still be a rumor?

That would be no. :D

ru·mor (rmr)
n.
1. A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.
2. Unverified information received from another; hearsay.


:P

[OUAndy1807]

That would be no. :D

ru·mor (rmr)
n.
1. A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.
2. Unverified information received from another; hearsay.


:P
if you knew the information to be true, it would have to have been verified to you in some way.

[stoopified]

The only defensive loss greater than Reggie would be Curtis and I know he isn't that stupid.

[Sooner_Bob]

if you knew the information to be true, it would have to have been verified to you in some way.


The sports animal just verified it . . . or BBJr just did for them.

[DoubleDown]

Well, crap.

I just spoke to an Arizona police officer who basically confirmed it. Still not 100%, but looks like we'll be without another starter.:mad:

[colleyvillesooner]

un-****ing-believable

How could anyone be so stupid...

[birddog]

still no name?

[soonerbrat]

well now that it's confirmed...who is it?

[CtheB]

DeMarcus Granger

[101sooner]

Granger.

[soonerbrat]

OK. it's not curtis lofton

[soonerbrat]

so lendy holmes is out too?

[birddog]

yep

[colleyvillesooner]

academically ineligible. Failed one class.

[soonerbrat]

fantastic

[birddog]

i just don't understand how you could jeopardize yourself and your team.

crazy college kids.

[soonerinabilene]

I knew I shouldnt have laughed so hard at Florida State.:mad:

[DoubleDown]

i just don't understand how you could jeopardize yourself and your team.

crazy college kids.

Not only that, but from what I was told he got busted for stealing a T-Shirt from a Burlington Coat Factory.:confused:

[soonerbrat]

IDIOT!!!!

they get this far then they just throw everything away. I don't get it

[birddog]

the flat screen tv wasn't enough, huh?

[colleyvillesooner]

I don't even want to hear the "Kick him off the team" crowd.

Stoops has set the precedent for that with Broyles.

[SoonerBOI]

DeMarcus Granger

crap. Gerald's defensive partner...

[possumfat]

guess one had one's head up one's a$$ ! Big price to pay for a $20 t-shirt

[OUAndy1807]

what did he allegedly do?

[Blues1]

IF True..?? - This is embrassing to the team - the school - the state - College Football and the Sooner Fans.... :( --- JMHO

[TUSooner]

what did he allegedly do?
He bomared.

[JohnnyMack]

I see innerweb rumors.

[DoubleDown]

I see innerweb rumors.

I hope you're right. I don't know why, but I would actually feel a little bit better about the situation if it wasn't just a t-shirt. But, the guy who told me about this has been right so far.

[OKLA21FAN]

IF True..?? - This is embrassing to the team - the school - the state - College Football and the Sooner Fans.... :( --- JMHO

But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole bowl system? And if the whole bowl system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Blues - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Sooners out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

[TUSooner]

But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole bowl system? And if the whole bowl system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Blues - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Sooners out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

Is there an argument for a playoff in there ?


:)

[Blues1]

But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole bowl system? And if the whole bowl system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Blues - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Sooners out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

I just feel bad for all concerned -- As the title thread say's
This would NOT be Good.....I haven't bad mouth anyone - just sayin' Not Cool -- If True...??

[Breadburner]

But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole bowl system? And if the whole bowl system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Blues - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Sooners out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

Lol......Sounds familiar....lol....

[TUSooner]

I still have not seen anything about it on any of the news media.
Anybody got a link?

[JohnnyMack]

I heard from a friend of a friend that TUSooner ate 3 jelly bellys (cherry) and didn't pay for them when he was at teh Super Target over the weekend.

[OKLA21FAN]

I heard from a friend of a friend that TUSooner ate 3 jelly bellys (cherry) and didn't pay for them when he was at teh Super Target over the weekend.
Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw TUSooner pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

[colleyvillesooner]

It'll hit after Stoops afternoon press conference.

[TUSooner]

I heard from a friend of a friend that TUSooner ate 3 jelly bellys (cherry) and didn't pay for them when he was at teh Super Target over the weekend.
D*mn you, liar!

I'd NEVER do that !!
I don't even like jelly bellies or go to Super Target, boobie head.

It was pistachios at the grocery store. <shakes head>

[TUSooner]

Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw TUSooner pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

busted again

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Boobie head?

[Texas Golfer]

But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole bowl system? And if the whole bowl system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Blues - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Sooners out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

Thank you, Otter.

[Texas Golfer]

I can't find any news source to confirm the story of Granger getting arrested for shoplifting.

[sendbaht]

No one would be that stupid.

[Oldnslo]

No one would be that stupid.
nevar underestimate teh stoopid.

[SOONER STEAKER]

This wouldnt be the first time a student athlete did something stupid at a bowl game. A door just opened for another d-lineman to move up the depth chart. Anyone know wh steps up on the depth chart?

[SoonerRecon]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=071231_2__GLEND33234

doesn't give a reason

[soonernation]

No one would be that stupid.



I cannot disagree more......................






















































http://www.maddenitalianleague.eu/ncaa/madcat/player_photos/Rhett_Bomar.jpg

[TexasEx4OU]

Beyond the sheer stupidity, the thing that gets me is, does Granger actually think he's "Mr. Incognito" when he walks into and through a store?

[Blues1]

For Whatever reason he's Gone...
Another Link
http://ouinsider.com/news/story.php?article=869

[birddog]

that apartment is sure going to feel lonely for him.

[Cam]

Looks like we're down another one on D. :(

Link (http://newsok.com/article/3187205/1199121171)



By Jake Trotter
Staff Writer
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — University of Oklahoma sophomore defensive tackle DeMarcus Granger has been sent home and will not play in the Fiesta Bowl for breaking team rules, coach Bob Stoops confirmed this morning.


Granger, listed as 6-3 and 300 pounds, is from Dallas.

Additional details were not immediately available.

[Cam]

Looks like it already hit here. My bad.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106064

[Petro-Sooner]

Kick his *** off the team. No need in keeping thugs around.

[DoubleDown]

Just got the info from Tempe Police. He allegedly took a security sensor off a jacket and tried to walk past cash registers at a Burlington Coat Factory. Arrested for shoplifting.

At least it wasn't a t-shirt.:rolleyes: :(

[soonermarkus]

Just saw it on ESPN...I guess it's official...it just said disciplinary reasons...will not play...i guess he was a little short on cash....

[illinisooner]

Thank you, Otter.

That was rush chairman Eric Stratton, and he was damn glad to meet you.

[Blues1]

Just saw it on ESPN...I guess it's official...it just said disciplinary reasons...will not play...i guess he was a little short on cash....

Short on Brains......!

[Pigface1]

Kick his *** off the team. No need in keeping thugs around.

Yep. What a selfish prick.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Wouldn't he have received a T-shirt or Hat for just playing int the Game? It must have been one awesome t-shirt to temp him.

Pretty sad.

Edited: I just saw it was a jacket, still pretty sad.

[StoopTroup]

Does Burlington Coat Factory have anything worth stealing?

[Petro-Sooner]

They have more than just great coats.

[soonermarkus]

Does Burlington Coat Factory have anything worth stealing?


Apparently.....

[bluedogok]

Short on Brains......!
I think most people in their twenties are, God knows that I was......

Burlington does have one of the better Big & Tall sections of any store.

[AbsolutSooner]

Thats just brilliant. Thats what we get for starting thugs, one problem after another....

[AbsolutSooner]

I think most people in their twenties are, God knows that I was......

Burlington does have one of the better Big & Tall sections of any store.


There is a difference between being short on brains and common sense and just plain old criminal stupidity.

They need to get these problems under control, this is going to get out of hand.

[OKLA21FAN]

Thats just brilliant. Thats what we get for starting thugs, one problem after another....

but was he a 'thug' before this incident?

[Crimson Kid]

Thats just brilliant. Thats what we get for starting thugs, one problem after another....


Just because he stole something, doesn't make him a thug, i stole a few things in my life growing up, and i was by no means a thug. he just made a stupid mistake, that he and the teams is going to pay for.

That's what makes it worse, his team is put in jeporday because of his actions.

[Enigma]

What a dumb mother trucker.

[bluedogok]

Yeah, I don't put shoplifters into the "thug" category, that is reserved for gang bangers and the like. I think some level of physical intimidation is required for "thug" category.

[OUDoc]

NOOB! ;)

edit: Merged, this doesn't make sense anymore. :(

[Octavian]

What kind of moron steals a coat in the desert?

[Desert Sapper]

Either Cory Bennett or Steven Coleman is going to step up, and Adrian Taylor will probably be in the rotation. This won't make stopping Slaton and White any easier.

[Mjcpr]

Does anybody know if WVa runs the ball much?

[Suerreal]

Story on DeMarcus Granger here:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/specials/bowls/2007/12/31/oklahoma.granger.ap/index.html?eref=si_topstories

[guzziguy]

What kind of moron steals a coat in the desert?

One that has to watch bowl-day football at home. :D

Stupid move on his part. I looked back at the Broyles deal this morning. Broyles' theft was not a felony. I don't know if this coat deal rises to the felony level or not, it depends on the value of the item stolen. Anyway, for now assume that it is not a felony. Broyles got a year off. The pattern would seem to be set. I'd expect Granger to get at least the same.

One could argue that Granger should get worse. Broyles acted stupid on his own time in his home town. Granger was on a bowl trip representing the university and his team. I'd bet that at some time during the trip meetings the guys were told that behavior should be exemplary and that misbehavior would be handled harshly.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

I don't normally knock players, but since he isn't a player right now, I will take some liberties here.

How ****ing stupid do you have to be to steal? OK, now how stupid do you have to be to steal while you are under the microscope of the media? Now compound that with possibility of playing in the NFL at a future date? Now add in the fact that the dumbass is playing in a BCS game and representing himself, his teammates, and his school.


What a dickhead... and I am a fan of his...



...well, was.

[OhU1]

When and if the shoplifting is confirmed he should be kicked off the team. At the very least he shows little regard for his team and school to do this on a bowl trip.

[Seamus]

Disagree. Suspension, yes. Four games? Six games? Year? Pick one.

Kicked off the team? No. Unnecessary and an overreaction.

[insuranceman_22]

Disagree. Suspension, yes. Four games? Six games? Year? Pick one.

Kicked off the team? No. Unnecessary and an overreaction.


I have to agree with you. It was boneheaded and stupid, but it's not the end of the world. Stoops will definately punish him, but kicking him off the team is a bit much. I'm sure that he realizes what he's done and that it was a complete & utter screw up.....He's let himself, his team and his university down.....

[KC//CRIMSON]

Does anybody know if WVa runs the ball much?


Passing - 1891
Rushing - 3560

Meh, not much.

[birddog]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2222/moransxx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[TheUnnamedSooner]

One that has to watch bowl-day football at home. :D

Stupid move on his part. I looked back at the Broyles deal this morning. Broyles' theft was not a felony. I don't know if this coat deal rises to the felony level or not, it depends on the value of the item stolen. Anyway, for now assume that it is not a felony. Broyles got a year off. The pattern would seem to be set. I'd expect Granger to get at least the same.

One could argue that Granger should get worse. Broyles acted stupid on his own time in his home town. Granger was on a bowl trip representing the university and his team. I'd bet that at some time during the trip meetings the guys were told that behavior should be exemplary and that misbehavior would be handled harshly.

I think the deal with Broyles that makes it worse than Granger is that he had keys/combo/whatever which made it "look" like he was receiving extra benefits which would have been extremely bad considering OU is on probation.

Now your point about Granger representing the university and team is probably what will get him in the most trouble. Both instances are bad, but I don't see Granger missing all of next year...

[sendbaht]

OMG, I read this post this morning...and even posted, no one would be that stupid........then.... now it's on TV.....wow...man...how stupid!

[Blues1]

1 year Off .... Or More....JMHO.~~~!
The Guy is on Business Trip/Vacation - This NOT Cool -- We don't need this kind of Publicty - The media will stay on this like a Fly on S%%%T......!!!

[TripleOption14]

How bout we let the judicial do its thing before we go calling him a "thug." Let's try and remember your INNOCENT until proven guilty not the other way around. Although, with today's public perception getting in the way this fact gets lost WAYYYY too often.

If he's proven guilty goodbye. If not 3 or 4 game suspension.

[OKLA21FAN]

How bout we let the judicial do its thing before we go calling him a "thug." Let's try and remember your INNOCENT until proven guilty not the other way around. Although, with today's public perception getting in the way this fact gets lost WAYYYY too often.

If he's proven guilty goodbye. If not 3 or 4 game suspension.


true,

however, he is already 'admitted' to the attempted theft.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Take it easy guys..he was doing this for them

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2002/12/03/children_at_bcf_protest.jpg

[sooneron]

Thats just brilliant. Thats what we get for starting thugs, one problem after another....
Calling him a thug is fugging stupid. The kid made a horrible decision that showed some weak morals. Sometimes wanting something makes people do stupid **** on the fly without thinking about the actions (kind of like spewing retarded crap on a message board -hint hint). It doesn't make them career criminals or thugs.
Granger should be punished and will be. I have no reason to doubt that. He was representing the program and the University. Shame on him. This will be dealt with and already has been to an extent.

[VMG]

I don't normally knock players, but since he isn't a player right now, I will take some liberties here.

How ****ing stupid do you have to be to steal? OK, now how stupid do you have to be to steal while you are under the microscope of the media? Now compound that with possibility of playing in the NFL at a future date? Now add in the fact that the dumbass is playing in a BCS game and representing himself, his teammates, and his school.


What a dickhead... and I am a fan of his...



...well, was.


My "sentiments" exactly.

However, apart from the "return to go do not collect $200", my bet is that Bob will deal with this later -- i.e. sometime after the game is over, everyone is home, and his mind is unclouded by the same "sentiments" that many of us are feeling (and expressing...) here.

Ah, the frivolity of youth...

[Mjcpr]

Passing - 1891
Rushing - 3560

Meh, not much.

Does anyone know if they have 2 1,000 yard rushers?

[OUsooner1]

Ah ha! He was getting a coat to help replace this one!!

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5848/fatguybp2.gif

[silverwheels]

****. :mad:

Do we even have enough players left to field a team?

[OKC-SLC]

what a dip****.

[Jdog]

Just because he stole something, doesn't make him a thug, i stole a few things in my life growing up, and i was by no means a thug. he just made a stupid mistake, that he and the teams is going to pay for.

That's what makes it worse, his team is put in jeporday because of his actions.

I'm sure you're right - In fact, I know that I've heard somewhere that if you're just a kid, stealing wasn't bad, that it's actually normal.

I even heard that if you were a certain age, and played for a major college football team, that you where entitled to steal - That it just comes with the territory.

Crimson, did you also do your share of drugs too?
KICK HIM OFF THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sooneron]

I'm sure you're right - In fact, I know that I've heard somewhere that if you're just a kid, stealing wasn't bad, that it's actually normal.


I'm pretty sure he is saying that stupid mistake = bad. Generally they go hand in hand. Maybe you should put away your jump to conclusions mat before you accuse him of the Lindbergh kidnapping.

[NorthernIowaSooner]

They have more than just great coats.

and they wouldve guaranteed that he wouldve liked the way he looked, but thats only if you pay for it

[MichiganSooner]

From the Tulsa World.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=071231_2__GLEND33234

By John E. Hoover and Guerin Emig, World Sports Writers
12/31/2007 10:44 AM
Last Modified: 12/31/2007 12:41 PM


GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Oklahoma defensive tackle DeMarcus Granger has been suspended for Wednesday's Fiesta Bowl, Sooners coach Bob Stoops said Monday.

Stoops didn't specify why Granger was suspended. But according to a police report, Granger was arrested Saturday in Tempe after he tried to steal a jacket from the Burlington Coat Factory inside Arizona Mills Mall at approximately 10:20 p.m.

"Mr. Granger removed an anti-theft device from a jacket and then concealed the jacket in a bag. He exited the store walking past the cash registers without paying for the jacket," Mike Horn, a spokesman for the Tempe Police Department, said in a statement.

Granger, 21, admitted committing the offense and was booked into the Tempe City Jail on one count of shoplifting, Horn said. He later bonded out of jail.

Granger, a sophomore from Dallas, started 11 of 13 games this season for the No. 3-ranked Sooners (11-2), who play No. 11 West Virginia at University of Phoenix Stadium at 7 p.m.

Granger ranks 10th on the team (and leads the defensive tackles) with 35 tackles this season, and is fourth with 8.5 tackles for loss.

At 6-foot-2 and 315 pounds, Granger has been a key player all season in the Sooners' success stopping the run. OU ranks eighth in major college football in run defense, allowing 92 yards per game.

Granger's absence figures to have a significant impact on the OU defense against the Mountaineers, whose 293 rushing yards per game ranks fourth nationally.

[sooneron]

and they wouldve guaranteed that he wouldve liked the way he looked, but thats only if you pay for it
uh, wrong commercial/store.

[Jdog]

I'm pretty sure he is saying that stupid mistake = bad. Generally they go hand in hand. Maybe you should put away your jump to conclusions mat before you accuse him of the Lindbergh kidnapping.

Not the message that my 17 year old son just got.

[sooneron]

OMG!! You're kidding!!!??!?















:rolleyes:

[NorthernIowaSooner]

uh, wrong commercial/store.

eh, swing and a miss, cant hit em all out of the park. and i like the jump to conclusions mat reference, classic

[silverwheels]

Not the message that my 17 year old son just got.

Well, kids are not only reckless and dumb, but they don't have the best reading comprehension, either. ;)

[sooneron]

Well, kids are not only reckless and dumb, but they don't have the best reading comprehension, either. ;)
LOL!

[MichiganSooner]

Sorry, this was posted in "This May Not Be Good".

Too bad this happened but the punishment is justified. Another example of Coach's integrity.

Look 100 miles of Norman, where Gundy takes a week to determine if a Convicted Child Rapist should remain on the team. And he keeps his full ride scholarship to attend a university with 12,000 women because he is a good guy.

[Jdog]

Well, kids are not only reckless and dumb, but they don't have the best reading comprehension, either. ;)

guess that's why he's going to University of Chicago and not OU.

[silverwheels]

guess that's why he's going to University of Chicago and not OU.

:rolleyes:

It was a joke. But seriously, I don't see how he could have gotten that message out of what Crimson Kid said.

[SoonerLB]

ESPN is reporting this too, what a moran! I was SO hoping we would get through this bowl experience with nothing of this nature. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be, what an idiot!

[sooneron]

:rolleyes:

It was a joke. But seriously, I don't see how he could have gotten that message out of what Crimson Kid said.
Especially if he read the first sentence.

[Cam]

If you're going to steal at Arizona Mills, at least pick a better store than Burlington Coat Factory. There are much better options available in that mall.

Dumbass move.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

:pop:

[85Sooner]

DUMB A$$, Where did you ever get the idea that you could do that. I would kick him off permanantly just for stupidity. Has he not learned anything in the past couple of years????????????

[soonernation]

Not the message that my 17 year old son just got.



When did it become someone else's job other than yours to make sure your 17 year old son got the right message?

[colleyvillesooner]

:pop:

[tfoolry]

Dallas Morning News release:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/010107dnspoougranger.2fc54f.html


Oklahoma DT DeMarcus Granger sent home after shoplifting arrest

Former Kimball standout won't play for Sooners in Fiesta Bowl

02:10 PM CST on Monday, December 31, 2007
By BRANDON GEORGE / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected]

GLENDALE, Ariz. – Oklahoma starting defensive tackle DeMarcus Granger won't play in the Fiesta Bowl on Wednesday after being sent home following an arrest for shoplifting.

Granger, 21, was arrested in Tempe, Ariz., around 10:20 p.m. Saturday after he tried to steal a jacket from the Burlington Coat Factory inside Arizona Mills Mall, according to a Tempe Police Department report.

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"Mr. Granger removed an anti-theft device from a jacket and then concealed the jacket in a bag," Mike Horn, a spokesman for the Tempe Police Department, said in a statement. "He exited the store walking past the cash registers without paying for the jacket. Mr. Granger was stopped by store security who then contacted Tempe Police."

According to Horn's statement, Granger "made admissions to the offense." Granger, a sophomore who played at Kimball High in Dallas, was booked into the Tempe City Jail for one count of shoplifting, a Class 1 misdemeanor.

"Mr. Granger was cooperative during this contact and later bonded out of jail," Horn said in the statement.

No. 3 Oklahoma (11-2) will now be without three defensive starters – Granger, cornerback Reggie Smith (injury) and defensive back Lendy Holmes (academically ineligible) of South Oak Cliff – when it plays No. 11 West Virginia (10-2) at Wednesday. West Virginia has the nation's fourth-ranked rushing offense, averaging almost 300 yards per game.

OU coach Bob Stoops confirmed Monday morning during a media day at University of Phoenix Stadium that he had sent Granger home Sunday.

"We'll deal with his situation when we get back," Stoops said. "If there's anything further, we'll see."


ERICH SCHLEGEL / DMN
Oklahoma defensive tackle DeMarcus Granger has 3&#189; sacks this season. Granger (6-2, 307) started off the season not in the best graces of OU coaches because he came into preseason practices overweight and out of shape. But Granger had played well late in the season after working his way into shape and had emerged as one of the Sooners' top defensive linemen.

Granger, who had started 11 of 13 games, had 35 tackles – tied for the most among the Sooners' defensive linemen – and 3&#189; sacks and 8&#189; tackles for loss. He also led No. 3 OU with eight quarterback hurries.

OU coaches said Monday that the Sooners would use a combination of senior Steven Coleman (Skyline), junior Cory Bennett and redshirt freshman Adrian Taylor (Mansfield) to fill the void left by Granger. OU defensive coordinator Brent Venables said Taylor would likely start against West Virginia. Taylor has eight tackles in 12 games this season with one sack and one interception.

OU redshirt freshman Gerald McCoy, the Sooners' other starter at defensive tackle, said the team will miss Granger.

"Granger is a big loss, but we've still got a lot of guys behind him who play well for us," McCoy said. "Adrian Taylor is a really good player. We'll be all right."

Granger was ranked by Rivals.com as the nation’s No. 2 senior defensive tackle prospect out of high school. Granger was named SportsDay's Defensive Player of the Year in 2003 and 2004, becoming the first repeat MVP on either side of the ball since SportsDay began naming All-Area high school teams in 1983.

When reached by phone Monday, Kimball football coach Darrell Jordan, who coached Granger in high school, said he was in New Mexico visiting family and was getting ready to leave for Arizona to watch the Fiesta Bowl. Jordan said he would now cancel his trip.

Debra Granger, DeMarcus' mother, declined to comment about her son when reached Monday afternoon.

Stoops downplayed the loss of Granger on Monday.

"DeMarcus Granger only plays half the snaps anyway. You watch our rotation. Those other guys play as much as he does," Stoops said. "It's not a big deal."

Venables thought otherwise.

"He’s been playing better than anybody inside. DeMarcus was making some special plays," Venables said. "We're disappointed. It's a big loss. Three starters out, we've lost some good players. Guys have to step up."

[tfoolry]

Dallas Morning News release:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/010107dnspoougranger.2fc54f.html


Oklahoma DT DeMarcus Granger sent home after shoplifting arrest

Former Kimball standout won't play for Sooners in Fiesta Bowl

02:10 PM CST on Monday, December 31, 2007
By BRANDON GEORGE / The Dallas Morning News
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GLENDALE, Ariz. – Oklahoma starting defensive tackle DeMarcus Granger won't play in the Fiesta Bowl on Wednesday after being sent home following an arrest for shoplifting.

Granger, 21, was arrested in Tempe, Ariz., around 10:20 p.m. Saturday after he tried to steal a jacket from the Burlington Coat Factory inside Arizona Mills Mall, according to a Tempe Police Department report.

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"Mr. Granger removed an anti-theft device from a jacket and then concealed the jacket in a bag," Mike Horn, a spokesman for the Tempe Police Department, said in a statement. "He exited the store walking past the cash registers without paying for the jacket. Mr. Granger was stopped by store security who then contacted Tempe Police."

According to Horn's statement, Granger "made admissions to the offense." Granger, a sophomore who played at Kimball High in Dallas, was booked into the Tempe City Jail for one count of shoplifting, a Class 1 misdemeanor.

"Mr. Granger was cooperative during this contact and later bonded out of jail," Horn said in the statement.

No. 3 Oklahoma (11-2) will now be without three defensive starters – Granger, cornerback Reggie Smith (injury) and defensive back Lendy Holmes (academically ineligible) of South Oak Cliff – when it plays No. 11 West Virginia (10-2) at Wednesday. West Virginia has the nation's fourth-ranked rushing offense, averaging almost 300 yards per game.

OU coach Bob Stoops confirmed Monday morning during a media day at University of Phoenix Stadium that he had sent Granger home Sunday.

"We'll deal with his situation when we get back," Stoops said. "If there's anything further, we'll see."


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Oklahoma defensive tackle DeMarcus Granger has 3&#189; sacks this season. Granger (6-2, 307) started off the season not in the best graces of OU coaches because he came into preseason practices overweight and out of shape. But Granger had played well late in the season after working his way into shape and had emerged as one of the Sooners' top defensive linemen.

Granger, who had started 11 of 13 games, had 35 tackles – tied for the most among the Sooners' defensive linemen – and 3&#189; sacks and 8&#189; tackles for loss. He also led No. 3 OU with eight quarterback hurries.

OU coaches said Monday that the Sooners would use a combination of senior Steven Coleman (Skyline), junior Cory Bennett and redshirt freshman Adrian Taylor (Mansfield) to fill the void left by Granger. OU defensive coordinator Brent Venables said Taylor would likely start against West Virginia. Taylor has eight tackles in 12 games this season with one sack and one interception.

OU redshirt freshman Gerald McCoy, the Sooners' other starter at defensive tackle, said the team will miss Granger.

"Granger is a big loss, but we've still got a lot of guys behind him who play well for us," McCoy said. "Adrian Taylor is a really good player. We'll be all right."

Granger was ranked by Rivals.com as the nation’s No. 2 senior defensive tackle prospect out of high school. Granger was named SportsDay's Defensive Player of the Year in 2003 and 2004, becoming the first repeat MVP on either side of the ball since SportsDay began naming All-Area high school teams in 1983.

When reached by phone Monday, Kimball football coach Darrell Jordan, who coached Granger in high school, said he was in New Mexico visiting family and was getting ready to leave for Arizona to watch the Fiesta Bowl. Jordan said he would now cancel his trip.

Debra Granger, DeMarcus' mother, declined to comment about her son when reached Monday afternoon.

Stoops downplayed the loss of Granger on Monday.

"DeMarcus Granger only plays half the snaps anyway. You watch our rotation. Those other guys play as much as he does," Stoops said. "It's not a big deal."

Venables thought otherwise.

"He’s been playing better than anybody inside. DeMarcus was making some special plays," Venables said. "We're disappointed. It's a big loss. Three starters out, we've lost some good players. Guys have to step up."

[OKC-SLC]

Are there any other media outlets' news releases we can post here?

[TheUnnamedSooner]

Yeah, I think Yahoo! has one..

[auto]

Are there any other media outlets' news releases we can post here?

I will try and find a few for you:D

[aero]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/aeroslinger/headupass2ik.jpg

[Echoes]

Sorry, this was posted in "This May Not Be Good".

Too bad this happened but the punishment is justified. Another example of Coach's integrity.

Look 100 miles of Norman, where Gundy takes a week to determine if a Convicted Child Rapist should remain on the team. And he keeps his full ride scholarship to attend a university with 12,000 women because he is a good guy.


Whoa whoa. Now I am not the biggest Poke fan, beleive me. I hate them as much if not more as anyone on this board. But your statement's are a little overboard. Do you even know the story? You make it seem like he was voluntarily raping 8 year old girls. Not true, at all. At all. There is a reason Gundy took a week to decide, because the case is not by any means clear cut. Hell, what happened to that young man could have very easily happened to me, and still probably could happen to me.

I don't mean to sound like a Puke homer, but I just hate to see kids bashed. In my opinion, what Granger did was worse then what the poke did who got in trouble for statatory(spelling?) rape did. If you know the whole story and what exactly went on, then I bet you would be inclined to agree with me.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Disagree. Suspension, yes. Four games? Six games? Year? Pick one.

Kicked off the team? No. Unnecessary and an overreaction.




Nope. He did this on a trip with the team. Byebye. If it was during the reg season, maybe. This is just too stupid of the guy. Waaaayyyyyy tooo stupid. He's got to go.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Take it easy guys..he was doing this for them

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2002/12/03/children_at_bcf_protest.jpg


Those kids are just lazy.

[Miko]

You make it seem like he was voluntarily raping ..... Hell, what happened to that young man could have very easily happened to me, and still probably could happen to me.



:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: You, like he, could accidently rape someone?? Do it against your will????

I guess I need to figure out what the definition of is is. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[TheUnnamedSooner]

Statutory rape - Isn't that just doing it with someone under the age of 17?

The way I understand it, and I could be wrong, but a 18 year old can be convicted of statutory rape with a 16 year old even if it was consentual.

[Jacie]

Too bad for Marcus, his family, OUr coaching staff, the team and all of us fans. I don't know that any of us had ever heard anything bad about this young man prior to this incident. Adolescent psychologists will not be surprised by this behavior, however, and MG is still adolescent. No matter how big his body is, his brain is still developing. Yes, we try to raise our children to use good judgement and understand that all of our actions have consequences. In the case of the developing adolescent brain they are less able to process long-term consequences as they are the short-term.

The immediate result for us is we take OUr licks from the whorns and aggies till one of theirs screws up.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

From webster:

statutory rape
–noun U.S. Law. sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of consent, which age varies in different states.

[guzziguy]

Too bad for Demarcus, his family, OUr coaching staff, the team and all of us fans. I don't know that any of us had ever heard anything bad about this young man prior to this incident. Adolescent psychologists will not be surprised by this behavior, however, and DG is still adolescent. No matter how big his body is, his brain is still developing. Yes, we try to raise our children to use good judgement and understand that all of our actions have consequences. In the case of the developing adolescent brain they are less able to process long-term consequences as they are the short-term.

The immediate result for us is we take OUr licks from the whorns and aggies till one of theirs screws up.


He's 21, not 12. He can drink, vote, marry, sign contracts. Adolescent doesn't fit.

[sooneron]

Statutory rape - Isn't that just doing it with someone under the age of 17?

The way I understand it, and I could be wrong, but a 18 year old can be convicted of statutory rape with a 16 year old even if it was consentual.
Someone would have to press the charges and in this case, I believe the girl was 12 or 13.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

Someone would have to press the charges and in this case, I believe the girl was 12 or 13.

I didn't know she was that young. That's bad.


It's usually a pi$$ed off parent that presses charges in those situations and rightfully so, I know I would if it was my daughter.

[SoonerGirl06]

Thats just brilliant. Thats what we get for starting thugs, one problem after another....

You're such a troll.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: You, like he, could accidently rape someone?? Do it against your will????

I guess I need to figure out what the definition of is is. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Dude. It's symantics. I hate that they use the word 'rape' when talking about sex with a minor. This guy was a minor too, at the time. She committed rape the same way he did. She had sex with a minor.

If he didn't know that she was 12, which is VERY possible, he might have accidently [statutory] raped her. When I was 19 I dated a 17 yo. That's statutory rape. When I was 18 I dated a 15 yo. Same thing.

Any guesses as to how old Romeo and Julliette were? Well, I don't want to absolve anyone of responsibility here, but statutory rape (also referred to as sexual assault) is far more arbetrary than theft.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Someone would have to press the charges and in this case, I believe the girl was 12 or 13.


I just read the reports again and he was 17, she was 12. Not good.

[soonermeteor]

Uhm.... why the hell are we stealing coats in ARIZONA!?!?!?!?! :mad:

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Uhm.... why the hell are we stealing coats in ARIZONA!?!?!?!?! :mad:


Why are they selling coats in Arizona?

[TheUnnamedSooner]

In some (maybe most) states age 17 is the age of consent, therefore it couldn't be statutory rape against him, even if she was 52 instead of 12.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

In some (maybe most) states age 17 is the age of consent, therefore it couldn't be statutory rape against him, even if she was 52 instead of 12.

The age of consent is 16 in Ok.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

The age of consent is 16 in Ok.

Edit:

Still proves that she couldn't be charged.

[The Maestro]

Uhm.... why the hell are we stealing coats in ARIZONA!?!?!?!?! :mad:

It's a DRY cold!!!

[The_Red_Patriot]

What an idiot!


Good job Granger!!!!!

[SoonerRedHead]

Well, still proves the point that she could not charge him.

Maybe this will help you buy a clue: she was 12. They, four 17+ year olds picked her up plied her with alcohol, took her over the state line to a motel, and then repeatedly raped her.

She, doesn't have to charge anyone, thats what is meant by 'statutory'.

Now, continue on with your :hot: drivel.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

Maybe this will help you buy a clue: she was 12. They, four 17+ year olds picked her up plied her with alcohol, took her over the state line to a motel, and then repeatedly raped her.

She, doesn't have to charge anyone, thats what is meant by 'statutory'.

Now, continue on with your :hot: drivel.


Sorry, I was saying everything backwards. I was meaning to say that SHE could not be charged for statutory raping HIM...

[Echoes]

As far as the state lines thing, I don't really know anything about that, and that is not exactly what I heard or read happened.

My understanding is that she was at a party that she snuck out to attend, and the poke player hooked up with her. She went home, got caught and then said she was out having sex with the said poke player. Turns out she was 12. Later, the parents realized what happened and tried to drop the charges, but couldn't, the state presses charges against him or what not. He was 17. Who knows how old she said she was, if she said she was 16 or 15 I could see a drunk 17 year old buying it. Some 12 year olds these days can look 30. It's not like he picked up a 12 year old and got her drunk and had sex with her, he saw her at a party she snuck out too, where she was lying to everyone and telling them she was near their age.

At least that is how I understood it. I could see how that could happen to very many a teenager. Anyways, the point is that he committed that crime unknowingly, compared to Granger blatantly trying to steal a coat and screwing his whole team over in the process.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Please read all posts before responding like this.

As stated before, I do not, nor implying that I know anything about this case. Someone stated that HE could be charged with the same offense, which I was saying is NOT true.

Not exactly. I stated that he was a minor and she (not knowing that she was slipped a mickey or that there were 4 of them) had sex with thim, so in essence she was guilty of the same thing... sex with a minor. Yes, the age of consent is 16, so that makes it untrue in the state of OK. It's still an arbitrary rule. That's why it's different in every state. If the sex was not consentual, then I'll just shut up, because I really don't know.

[Vaevictis]

If he didn't know that she was 12, which is VERY possible, he might have accidently [statutory] raped her. When I was 19 I dated a 17 yo. That's statutory rape. When I was 18 I dated a 15 yo. Same thing.

IIRC the details correctly, I believe that the girl's testimony was that she passed out after drinking a bunch of alcohol and woke up to find him "on top of her." And apparently, he and the other guys had been taking turns with her.

It's just a bit... sleazier than some dude dating a girl with a few years age difference, or a one night stand.

(Of course, that testimony doesn't exactly jive with the fact that, iirc, the girl's family wanted the charges dropped, so it could be that she later changed it, which would jive with Echoes' post...)

[TheUnnamedSooner]

Not exactly. I stated that he was a minor and she (not knowing that she was slipped a mickey or that there were 4 of them) had sex with thim, so in essence she was guilty of the same thing... sex with a minor. Yes, the age of consent is 16, so that makes it untrue in the state of OK. It's still an arbitrary rule. That's why it's different in every state. If the sex was not consentual, then I'll just shut up, because I really don't know.

I agree with you, and apparently we both should shut up, b/c I thought it was consentual as well.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

IIRC the details correctly, I believe that the girl's testimony was that she passed out after drinking a bunch of alcohol and woke up to find him "on top of her." And apparently, he and the other guys had been taking turns with her.

It's just a bit... sleazier than some dude dating a girl with a few years age difference, or a one night stand.

(Of course, that testimony doesn't exactly jive with the fact that, iirc, the girl's family wanted the charges dropped, so it could be that she later changed it, which would jive with Echoes' post...)


Yeah, but who hasn't done that...











... just a joke. Yes, in poor taste.











Sorry.

[Echoes]

Hmmm.. Vae we have different stories. Now that I think about it though, I beleive the word of mouth I heard was from a Poke fan, and I haven't read any new stories from it in a long time, so I could be wrong if new information has popped up.

I was under the impression that he did have sex with her and stuff, but that it was consensual and she had lied to him about her age, furthermore I heard her parents dropped the charges and that the state was still pursuing it. Not true?

Anyways, I didn't mean to turn this into a talk about the Poke player. I was just under the impression he was getting unfairly crucified here and I hate that when it comes to kids.

Granger's mistake just stuns me. Like someone previously posted, how do you think you could be incognito when you are that big? Hopefully he wisens up.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

I agree with you, and apparently we both should shut up, b/c I thought it was consentual as well.


Done.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Ok, back to my original point. Granger is a dumbass.

[Echoes]

Agreed man, I couldn't beleive that. Our defense is depleted. I hope people step up, it's not going to be an easy test.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

I agree as well. It's not even cold out there!

[badger]

While acknowledging that what many other teams had going against them this year was much worse (Texas' many arrests, OSU's poster child for respecting women, Florida State's massive arresting, Mississippi's massive robberies... ok, this list is getting too long), recent developments in OU leave you wondering what boneheaded thing the next evicted Sooner will do.

1- Rob local gas store of gas with security code.
2- Fail easy class by turning in late assignment done poorly.
3- Take security device off jacket and stuff it in a bag without paying for it.

I know that each of these players are probably kicking themselves that they won't be able to partake in the biggest game of an excellent season, as each would be starting.

I would hope that they are posting these news clippings in their own locker room to remind players that stupidity shouldn't easily be forgotten, because there are severe consequences.

Broyles, Holmes and Granger have an entire offseason to think about what they're missing this week (aside from free awesome televisions and a vacation to Arizona during a cold Oklahoma winter). I think that making them miss out on this, while providing them time to repay their debt to society and their team is punishment enough.

Broyles, pay for the gas you stole, apologize to the store's owner and never do it again. Holmes, make yourself a model student, apologize to your teammates and coaches and never fail a class again. Granger, pay for the jacket you stole, apologize to the store and never do it again.

If they pledge to that, I think that is suffice in this situation. If they screw up again or refuse to make the wrongs right, there are quite a few players willing to step into their playing time positions.

[MiccoMacey]

1) Granger is wrong and should be suspended from the team (one year minimum).

2) With regards to the OSU player, IIRC he knew her before this event. It wasn't a strange girl. He knew her. And I taught middle school and high school for several years...no 12 year old looks like she's seventeen. He knew. No doubt.

[Leroy Lizard]

We don't need thieves on the team. Kick him off.

Minor offense? Tell that to the store that has to invest money in security devices.

In Arizona:


1. Theft of less than $250.00 is a Class 1 Misdemeanor for which a person can receive a maximum of six months in jail, $2,500.00 fine and probation.

2. Theft of property of a value of $250.00 but less than $1,000.00 is a Class 6 Felony for which a person can be sent to prison for up to two years or put on probation and put in the county jail for up to one year. The maximum fine is $150,000.00.

3. Theft of property of a value of $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 is a Class 5 Felony for which a person can be sent to prison for a maximum of two-and-a-half years or put on probation and sent to the county jail for a maximum of one year. The maximum fine is $150,000.00.

http://www.lawforkids.org/speakup/view_question.cfm?id=395



Taking the security device off the coat could have made this a felony, although I am not sure how Arizona treats this.

[Leroy Lizard]

Low temperatures for the Phoenix area are typically in the 45 degree range, so it does get cold there. Just an FYI.

[bluedogok]

Well, they think it is cold if it gets below 75 there. The warmest sweater that I ever had came from Goldwater's, 100% wool, I couldn't wear it unless it was below about 10 degrees.

[rubyspirit]

Dummy :mad:

[tulsaoilerfan]

Why are they selling coats in Arizona?
Isn't it like in the 60's this time of year? That's cold for those people:D

[usmc-sooner]

As far as the state lines thing, I don't really know anything about that, and that is not exactly what I heard or read happened.

My understanding is that she was at a party that she snuck out to attend, and the poke player hooked up with her. She went home, got caught and then said she was out having sex with the said poke player. Turns out she was 12. Later, the parents realized what happened and tried to drop the charges, but couldn't, the state presses charges against him or what not. He was 17. Who knows how old she said she was, if she said she was 16 or 15 I could see a drunk 17 year old buying it. Some 12 year olds these days can look 30. It's not like he picked up a 12 year old and got her drunk and had sex with her, he saw her at a party she snuck out too, where she was lying to everyone and telling them she was near their age.

At least that is how I understood it. I could see how that could happen to very many a teenager. Anyways, the point is that he committed that crime unknowingly, compared to Granger blatantly trying to steal a coat and screwing his whole team over in the process.

actually he called her and helped her sneak out, then got her drunk, and raped her let his friends rape her then they dropped her off at some house that was not her house drunk and in the middle of the night. What he did was despicable and not one bit of it was unknowingly.
When I was 17 I never once got a 12 year old drunk, nor did I have the desire to have sex with a drunk 12 year. I never tried to sneak a 12 year old out of her house let my friends gangbang her and drop her off drunk in someone's yard. Matter of fact nobody I know has ever done a punk move like this. Granger's a dumbass for being a wannabe thief, but child rape is the lowest of the low.

[OK2LA]

GEEZ Guys! Everyone's jumping to conclusions here. Just take a moment and look at this from a different angle. There might be a good reason for him trying to steal the jacket.

[usmc-sooner]

GEEZ Guys! Everyone's jumping to conclusions here. Just take a moment and look at this from a different angle. There might be a good reason for him trying to steal the jacket.

there aint no good reason to steal. He made a mistake. He needs to take his punishment and put it behind him. In a couple of years he'll be in the NFL and he will be able to buy the store.

That said there is no reason to be stealing, I'm not going to make excuses or try to justify what he did, he's more than old enough to know better. I'm sure he feels like crap now but what he did was wrong.

[Desert Sapper]

GEEZ Guys! Everyone's jumping to conclusions here. Just take a moment and look at this from a different angle. There might be a good reason for him trying to steal the jacket.

Like what? The life of a dying child depends on it? He stole. Now he needs to be a man, grow up, and try not to do anything that stupid again.

[Leroy Lizard]

He deliberately cut the security sensor off the jacket, which indicates that it was not mere forgetfulness. He then proceeded to walk out the store knowing full well that he was taking that which didn't belong to him.

If you can come up with an excuse for thievery, be my guest.

[Leroy Lizard]

He made a mistake.

This was an intentional act, not a mistake. I know what you meant, but I hate it when this word is used in this way.

[MissouriSooner]

Are we all on the same page here about statutory rape? Even though the age of consent varies from state to state, if a person over a specified age has sex with another person who is under the age of consent, the person under the age of consent CANNOT, AS A MATTER OF LAW, CONSENT TO THE SEX! That's why it's called "statutory" rape, and the victim is not required to press charges; that's why the state has prosecuting attorneys with subpoena power; these prosecutors are charged with enforcing the laws on the books, and they can compel anyone they want to come to court to testify when they present the case to a jury.

[usmc-sooner]

This was an intentional act, not a mistake. I know what you meant, but I hate it when this word is used in this way.

I think when you break the law it is a mistake. I know I've made a few mistakes. He was wrong and stupid but Stoops handled it,he'll have his day in court, he'll learn and move on.

[usmc-sooner]

BTW I think he deserves to be punished but nobody on this board has gone through life without doing something they know is wrong. I'm ticked at him for this but if us average joe's had our every little indiscretion reported in the media I doubt any of would be so high and mighty.

[Leroy Lizard]

Sure, if you break the law and didn't know you were breaking the law, then you would be mistaken.

Writing the wrong date on a check is a mistake. Forging a check is not.

"He'll learn." What? That shoplifting is a crime? I would have expected him to already know that. That he could end up in trouble if caught? He knew that as well. So what exactly is he going to learn from this that he didn't already know?

And the problem here is not his stupidity, but his character.

Unless something really wild comes out in the press that puts a new light on things, throw the book at him and throw him off the team.

[Edmond Sooner]

GEEZ Guys! Everyone's jumping to conclusions here. Just take a moment and look at this from a different angle. There might be a good reason for him trying to steal the jacket.

Name one. I'll wait right here while you figure it out.

[bluedogok]

It is just amazing how many people around here have lived such perfect lives their all of their years and never had any youthful indiscretions :rolleyes:

Damn, y'all must have had a boring youth, just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean that you didn't do something that you shouldn't have done.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd300/d311/d31182g8ep7.jpg

[Leroy Lizard]

It is just amazing how many people around here have lived such perfect lives their all of their years and never had any youthful indiscretions

Oh, I see now that theft is considered a "youthful indiscretion."


Damn, y'all must have had a boring youth, just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean that you didn't do something that you shouldn't have done.

And if we didn't steal, we were boring nerds. Stealing is cooooool!

There is nothing lower than a thief.

Thieves suck!!!

[usmc-sooner]

Sure, if you break the law and didn't know you were breaking the law, then you would be mistaken.

Writing the wrong date on a check is a mistake. Forging a check is not.

"He'll learn." What? That shoplifting is a crime? I would have expected him to already know that. That he could end up in trouble if caught? He knew that as well. So what exactly is he going to learn from this that he didn't already know?

And the problem here is not his stupidity, but his character.

Unless something really wild comes out in the press that puts a new light on things, throw the book at him and throw him off the team.

I agree, but they did throw the book at him and it was a misdemeanor book, I don't think you yank a guys scholly over a misdemeanor. You shouldn't ignore it but you shouldn't go overboard.

[Edmond Sooner]

It is just amazing how many people around here have lived such perfect lives their all of their years and never had any youthful indiscretions :rolleyes:

Damn, y'all must have had a boring youth, just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean that you didn't do something that you shouldn't have done.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd300/d311/d31182g8ep7.jpg

Why are there laws against stealing in the first place? I think getting upset about such an innocent prank is wrong...we were all young once, and stealing is a healthy expression of youthful exuberance...what's wrong with people who don't like to get their stuff stolen?....

:rolleyes:

[Leroy Lizard]

I agree, but they did throw the book at him and it was a misdemeanor book, I don't think you yank a guys scholly over a misdemeanor. You shouldn't ignore it but you shouldn't go overboard.

I yank the scholarship when the deed shows the player has the character of a thief. Clothes, cars, jewelry... I don't see any difference. The stuff doesn't belong to you, so keep your ****in' hands off of it.

There are a lot of players out there that would love to play for the Sooners who don't steal. Yank his scholarship and give it to someone who has better character.

DeMarcus had his chance. He showed his true colors.

We don't need thieves on the team, so give the opportunity to someone else.

[usmc-sooner]

I yank the scholarship when the deed shows the player has the character of a thief. Clothes, cars, jewelry... I don't see any difference. The stuff doesn't belong to you, so keep your ****in' hands off of it.

There are a lot of players out there that would love to play for the Sooners who don't steal. Yank his scholarship and give it to someone who has better character.

DeMarcus had his chance. He showed his true colors.

We don't need thieves on the team, so give the opportunity to someone else.

I guarantee you that you've taken something at some point in your life that doesn't belong to you. Yeah DG made a punk move and he will get prosecuted, it embarrassed the University but I think you are going a little overboard. I consider myself a a halfway decent person, I've done worse than trying to steal a coat, I was punished, I grew up and and I learned from the mistakes I made.

[Leroy Lizard]

I guarantee you that you've taken something at some point in your life that doesn't belong to you.

Not that I can recall. And if I couldn't recall it, I doubt I did it intentionally. YOU may have stolen property, but that doesn't mean that I must have.

It is truly a sad day when we consider stealing merchandise such a minor incident that we assume everyone must do it.


Yeah DG made a punk move and he will get prosecuted, it embarrassed the University but I think you are going a little overboard. I consider myself a a halfway decent person, I've done worse than trying to steal a coat, I was punished, I grew up and and I learned from the mistakes I made.

I don't want halfway decent people playing for the Sooners; I want fully decent people. They get a scholarship to attend a university for free. The least I expect is for them to keep their hands off other people's stuff. Is that not a reasonable request?

[usmc-sooner]

Not that I can recall. And if I couldn't recall it, I doubt I did it intentionally. YOU may have stolen property, but that doesn't mean that I must have.

It is truly a sad day when we consider stealing merchandise such a minor incident that we assume everyone must do it.



I don't want halfway decent people playing for the Sooners; I want fully decent people. They get a scholarship to attend a university for free. The least I expect is for them to keep their hands off other people's stuff. Is that not a reasonable request?

1) this halfway decent person put in a lot of blood sweat and tears defending our country.

2) there are very few fully decent people in the world

3) You're either a hypocrite or very naive about guys this age.

4) I'm not taking it easy on him, the prosecutors decided to charge him with a misdemeanor

5) You must hate Bud, Barry, and Bob and the Boz, Jamelle, and probably every player that played here. They all had their indiscretions as well.

[yur-out]

Does Burlington Coat Factory have anything worth stealing?
That's what I was wondering. Last time I was at a BCF, their coats weren't nearly as cool (or expensive) compared to the "gifts" the players get just for being at the bowl.
There ya go...DG should have to forfeit his gifts from the Fiesta Bowl to the people at the BCF, pay for the coat (NO DG you don't get the coat), and write "I'm a dumbass" 1000 times on one of the ckalk boards at Dale Hall.


And that's before the real punishment hits;)

[OhU1]

5) You must hate Bud, Barry, and Bob and the Boz, Jamelle, and probably every player that played here. They all had their indiscretions as well.

What "indiscretions" did Bob have? So do you condone cheating and theft because other OU greats did it? And if you put a lot of blood sweat and tears into defending the USA I guess you also get a free pass when it comes to stealing other people's stuff? Or if you're 21 or under? Wow. I must be naive and a hypocrite because I've never stole from anyone. I'm with the Lizard on this one.

[jwlynn64]

I yank the scholarship when the deed shows the player has the character of a thief. Clothes, cars, jewelry... I don't see any difference. The stuff doesn't belong to you, so keep your ****in' hands off of it.

There are a lot of players out there that would love to play for the Sooners who don't steal. Yank his scholarship and give it to someone who has better character.

DeMarcus had his chance. He showed his true colors.

We don't need thieves on the team, so give the opportunity to someone else.

Me thinks that thou doth protest too much!

If you hear someone really railing against smoking, it is probably someone who used to smoke and quit. What are you hiding Leroy! ;)

[Leroy Lizard]

this halfway decent person put in a lot of blood sweat and tears defending our country.

Demarcus didn't. All he had to do was play football, go to class, and obey the law.

If you stole other people's property, shame on you.



2) there are very few fully decent people in the world

3) You're either a hypocrite or very naive about guys this age.


So the entire team is like DeMarcus? If so, that is the last time I ever poke fun at the Horn fans for their off-the-field problems.



4) I'm not taking it easy on him, the prosecutors decided to charge him with a misdemeanor

Whatever the Law decides to do to DeMarcus is not the issue here.


5) You must hate Bud, Barry, and Bob and the Boz, Jamelle, and probably every player that played here. They all had their indiscretions as well.

"Indiscretions" (which sound so minor and innocent)? Or stealing?

Sorry if I'm naive, but I do think it is perfectly possible to go through life without stealing other people's stuff.

[Piware]

Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!

What a doofus and I don't buy the "mistake" stuff either. This is not a junior high student - DG is a 21 year old man and if he doesn't have a moral compass by now I'm not sure he and others of his ilk are ever going to have one.

My concern is for the program and the university, which is more important than any one individual. Perhaps if he gets off with a 3 game suspension or so, he could take a self-funded trip to go watch Bonehead Bomar or J.D. Quinn play a game at their new schools. They can have a chat about what might have been were it not for their self-inflicted wounds.

[utex74]

But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals.

Please remember this when stupidity strikes other teams. (not mentioning names)

[bluedogok]

Why are there laws against stealing in the first place? I think getting upset about such an innocent prank is wrong...we were all young once, and stealing is a healthy expression of youthful exuberance...what's wrong with people who don't like to get their stuff stolen?....

:rolleyes:
I wasn't referring to just theft, this was a misdemeanor crime, I am sure most on here have committed something that could be classified as a misdemeanor crime in their lives when they were in their teens or early 20's. Did you ever drink alcohol underage? That is a misdemeanor crime as well along with a few hundred other things out there as well many of us might have done in our youth. There were many nights walking back to the dorms from O'Connell's that I could have been cited for Public Intoxication.

No one had better get a ticket, kick'em off the team :rolleyes:

I am just trying to put some perspective on this, some of y'all act like he committed some heinous crime like rape or murder. He didn't physically harm anyone, break into an apartment for a plasma TV. The only victim is a shop owner who probably loses more than that a day to professional theft rings who take thousands in a day. I knew some people who shop lifted things in their youth and they turned out to be fine people after they came to their senses, which for many doesn't happen until their late 20's or even later.

Was it stupid, you bet and he shouldn't have done it but if you kicked every kid off the team who has a minor scrape with the law you aren't going to have many players left especially with kids who come from an environment like Dallas Kimball. I think kicking someone off the team for something that is probably going to get him probation, a fine and some community service is a bit harsh.

I would say a suspension is in order, this game and the first 3 of next season, one more minor incident and he is gone. Now if this is not his first incident of this kind, things would be different but I don't recall of him being in trouble before. If this is merely a pattern of behavior that is known by the athletic department, then yeah he should be booted.

[usmc-sooner]

What "indiscretions" did Bob have? And if y

are we currently on probation? my bad if we're not

[Edmond Sooner]

Did you ever drink alcohol underage?

Constantly. And I haven't stopped yet. :D Happy New Year. :)

[Leroy Lizard]

He didn't physically harm anyone, break into an apartment for a plasma TV.

I'm no fan of Ricky Williams. I think he is a low-life scumbag. But at least he broke into the apartment to fetch is own tv. Sure, he doesn't respect property rights (breaking and entering) and that alone should have had him dismissed from the team and prosecuted by the law. But DeMarcus' theft incident is no better.


The only victim is a shop owner who probably loses more than that a day to professional theft rings who take thousands in a day.

No crime impacts society more negatively than theft. Think about the millions of dollars spent every day keeping people from stealing other people's possessions.

Why do we have to spend more on merchandise when we go out shopping? People like DeMarcus.

Why can't we leave our doors unlocked when we leave the house? People like DeMarcus.

I shouldn't have to spend that extra money on merchandise. I shouldn't have to lock up my stuff. But as long as people like DeMarcus are on the loose, I suppose I will have to.

And to think that we are going to pay for a free education for him? Screw him! Why does he even deserve that opportunity?

[OhU1]

"are we currently on probation? my bad if we're not"

It's your bad. Bob had nothing to do with it.

[Leroy Lizard]

are we currently on probation? my bad if we're not

First of all, you created the "indiscretion" straw man. This isn't about a mere indiscretion; this is about stealing.

And what exactly did Bob DO that you would chalk up as akin to stealing?

[usmc-sooner]

Demarcus didn't. All he had to do was play football, go to class, and obey the law.

If you stole other people's property, shame on you.



So the entire team is like DeMarcus? If so, that is the last time I ever poke fun at the Horn fans for their off-the-field problems.



Whatever the Law decides to do to DeMarcus is not the issue here.



"Indiscretions" (which sound so minor and innocent)? Or stealing?

Sorry if I'm naive, but I do think it is perfectly possible to go through life without stealing other people's stuff.

then ye shall be allowed to cast the first stone

[bluedogok]

I'm no fan of Ricky Williams. I think he is a low-life scumbag. But at least he broke into the apartment to fetch is own tv. Sure, he doesn't respect property rights (breaking and entering) and that alone should have had him dismissed from the team and prosecuted by the law. But DeMarcus' theft incident is no better.
That was Cedric Benson, I don't think Ricky had the motivation to get off the couch to do anything resembling theft. He definitely knew how to hide his weed better than the other UT player a couple of years ago.

To me crimes against a person are much worse than property crimes. Property crimes suck, I have had a car broken into and items stolen, all I had was liability at the time and I was working for $4.35 an hour so it was expensive for me to replace the two windows they broke out in my car. Luckily I didn't have much in the car so they didn't get much out of it. But it didn't hurt or injure me, the difference is in this case he was actually caught and will have to face some level of justice unlike a car theft or home burglary where the police do nothing more than fill out a report and forget about it.

All I am saying is that what he is charged with is minor in the overall scheme of the legal system and should not be treated the same as a committing a heinous crime. I agree, that if he screws up again or has a prior that he should be gone. This may be nothing more than an isolated incident and not a pattern of behavior, we do not know, hopefully he will learn from it and NOT be a bonehead again. Whether he is at OU or someplace else.

EDIT: Added NOT, man they changes the sentence.

[OhU1]

All I am saying is that what he is charged with is minor in the overall scheme of the legal system and should not be treated the same as a committing a heinous crime. I agree, that if he screws up again or has a prior that he should be gone. This may be nothing more than an isolated incident and not a pattern of behavior, we do not know, hopefully he will learn from it and be a bonehead again. Whether he is at OU or someplace else.

I agree, especially if the child is from Dallas Kimball or some other inner city.

[usmc-sooner]

First of all, you created the "indiscretion" straw man. This isn't about a mere indiscretion; this is about stealing.

And what exactly did Bob DO that you would chalk up as akin to stealing?


Rhett Bomar was getting payed

[Animal Mother]

Discipline is in order. Kicking the dude off the team is not what is needed. Take a deep breath and try not to over react. Maybe when you do something human and make an egregious mistake those involved won't want to lop off your head LL. Forgiveness is a good thing not a sign of weakness.

[Okla-homey]

FWIW, here's what I would do if it were my call. I'd send him home before the game. Before he got on the plane, I'd tell him we have an appointment in my office after I returned from my post-season vacation and his future playing football at OU will be decided at that meeting. I'd let him stew on it for a while.

I'd give him one more chance at that meeting, but he would be placed on notice from here on out, he better be squeaky clean, first on the practice field and last to leave. And, he would make some sort of restitution for the theft and apologize to his teammates and the store owner.

Personally, as much as this business seems like something more, I would hope all involved at OU would remember, this is a game that was designed to build character in young men. Throwing this kid away now eliminates any chance of making a positive difference in his life.

Heck, I did a lot of stupid stuff when I was a teenager. I'm glad no one gave up on me.

[Leroy Lizard]

FWIW, here's what I would do if it were my call. I'd send him home before the game. Before he got on the plane, I'd tell him we have an appointment in my office after I returned from my post-season vacation and his future playing football at OU will be decided at that meeting. I'd let him stew on it for a while.

I'd give him one more chance at that meeting, but he would be placed on notice from here on out, he better be squeaky clean, first on the practice field and last to leave. And, he would make some sort of restitution for the theft and apologize to his teammates and the store owner.

Wow. Real tough. Try not to shake too much fear into the other players with your draconian response. :rolleyes:

Bob can't make him pay a restitution. Forcing a player to pay money to someone in order to keep his scholarship would almost certainly be a violation of university policy, for obvious reasons.

In the end, the player would have stolen merchandise, gotten caught, and received a slap on the wrist.


Personally, as much as this business seems like something more, I would hope all involved at OU would remember, this is a game that was designed to build character in young men. Throwing this kid away now eliminates any chance of making a positive difference in his life.

The football team is not a reform program for wayward youth. Bear Bryant once said that football doesn't build character, it eliminates the weak ones. Well, we have discovered a weak character on the team.


Heck, I did a lot of stupid stuff when I was a teenager. I'm glad no one gave up on me.

I wish everyone would quit chalking this up to being merely "stupid." It's more than that. It's downright despicable.

[Leroy Lizard]

That was Cedric Benson.

You're right.


All I am saying is that what he is charged with is minor in the overall scheme of the legal system and should not be treated the same as a committing a heinous crime. I agree, that if he screws up again or has a prior that he should be gone. This may be nothing more than an isolated incident and not a pattern of behavior

Here is the only pattern I need to know:

"It's not mine, but I want it. I think I can steal it and get away with it."

I don't want someone like that representing my university. No way, no how.

[Leroy Lizard]

Rhett Bomar was getting payed

Not by Bob.

Now, if you want to go ahead and throw our coach under the bus to back up your argument, go ahead. I, on the other hand, have seen no evidence that Bob broke the law.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I am quite surprised to see the level of condemnation against DeMarcus. Now don't get me wrong, He needs to be punished - period, full stop. But does he need to be kicked off the team? Unless he was on some double secret, don't ever get into trouble again punishment - IMO, I don't think so. Now should he do whatever is decided in the court system, do double that in Oklahoma and then run wind sprints 'till he pukes every day next year at practice plus get special attention from the strength and conditioning coach, perhaps so...Only, don't tell the media, they'll say OU is trying to kill kids...

I wonder if he was dared, was trying to show off, or if he really wanted that coat and had no money. I don't get what and how he was thinking, because any "reasonable" mind would see the problem in that action. But then we are reminded that people do stupid things every day regardless of age. Just check out the current controversy in Houston with the DA. Apparently he had a more than working relationship with his "executive" assistant. Putting into official emails that he "Loved Her", wanted to kiss her behind her ear, missed her at some conference. Only thing all of his emails get subpoenaed on an unrelated case, these are found then leaked to the media...His wife is asking questions at home now...

BTW, since I don't get much info on OU in Houston, what ever happened to that kid that stole the gasoline? What was his punishment in the courts and at OU? officially and Stoops unofficially? TIA.

[VMG]

While acknowledging that what many other teams had going against them this year was much worse (Texas' many arrests, OSU's poster child for respecting women, Florida State's massive arresting, Mississippi's massive robberies... ok, this list is getting too long), recent developments in OU leave you wondering what boneheaded thing the next evicted Sooner will do.

1- Rob local gas store of gas with security code.
2- Fail easy class by turning in late assignment done poorly.
3- Take security device off jacket and stuff it in a bag without paying for it.

...

Broyles, Holmes and Granger have an entire offseason to think about what they're missing this week (aside from free awesome televisions and a vacation to Arizona during a cold Oklahoma winter). I think that making them miss out on this, while providing them time to repay their debt to society and their team is punishment enough.

Broyles, pay for the gas you stole, apologize to the store's owner and never do it again. Holmes, make yourself a model student, apologize to your teammates and coaches and never fail a class again. Granger, pay for the jacket you stole, apologize to the store and never do it again.


Didn't know we had a law on the books for failing a college class. Did they make Lendy do the perp walk down the South Oval? No wonder the court system is so constipated...

[VMG]

Wow. Real tough. Try not to shake too much fear into the other players with your draconian response. :rolleyes:


So, are you saying that fear amongst the other players should be the ultimate goal of any action taken in this matter?

[Okla-homey]

Boy, you're tough. Hedly Lamar tough. I bet you would pull out your derringer and shoot a player for chewing gum at practice.


Wow. Real tough. Try not to shake too much fear into the other players with your draconian response. My intent would not be to scare the other players. My intent would be to shake some sense into this particular accused player.

Bob can't make him pay a restitution. There are forms of restitution that do not include paying money. Further, I doubt this particular scenario is covered in NCAA regulations. Forcing a player to pay money to someone in order to keep his scholarship would almost certainly be a violation of university policy, for obvious reasons. Then I must be an slobbering idjit because the obvious reasons you cite are not readily apparent to me.

In the end, the player would have stolen merchandise, gotten caught, and received a slap on the wrist. If you think public disgrace, having everyone involved in the game of college football know about your mistake, fretting about your future in the game and running stairs until you puke for a month or so is a slap on the wrist, than you must have a very high pain tolerance.

The football team is not a reform program for wayward youth. Bear Bryant once said that football doesn't build character, it eliminates the weak ones. Well, we have discovered a weak character on the team. 1) I disagree. I also think Bryant's comment is more accurately stated as "College football [under Bryant] eliminates the players who aren't completely committed to doing whatever ordered to do by Bryant." 2) I would not take any ethics guidance from a guy who ran one of the dirtiest programs in the history of college football.

I wish everyone would quit chalking this up to being merely "stupid." It's more than that. It's downright despicable. Despicable? Regrettable, disappointing and downright dumb are characterizations I buy. Despicable? No, the accused is not being accused of being Tony Montana. Sheesh.

[badger]

Didn't know we had a law on the books for failing a college class. Did they make Lendy do the perp walk down the South Oval? No wonder the court system is so constipated...
Haha. I was pointing out the various reasons why certain players will not be in the biggest game of the year... and they're all stupid reasons.

[usmc-sooner]

after reading all of LL's responses I've changed my mind we shouldn't punish Demarcus we should give him a trophy.

Youthful indiscretion and a stupid mistake, I nominate LL to shake some sense into him.

[VMG]

Haha. I was pointing out the various reasons why certain players will not be in the biggest game of the year... and they're all stupid reasons

Sorry, I missed the part where you differentiated between a college kid who failed a class and two others who commited criminal acts.

[Leroy Lizard]

I am quite surprised to see the level of condemnation against DeMarcus. Now don't get me wrong, He needs to be punished - period, full stop. But does he need to be kicked off the team? Unless he was on some double secret, don't ever get into trouble again punishment - IMO, I don't think so.

I think these players already knew that shoplifting was against the law and that they are to avoid embarrassing the university. Do you really think that these players were not already told to avoid breaking the law? Repeatedly? Numerous times?

Of course he knew that shoplifting was wrong. Of course he knew that breaking the law would violate team policy and hurt the university. Every player on the team has been made well aware of how their behavior reflects on the university. He did it anyway!

Why get into trouble in the first place? Sure, if he had been placed in a bad situation that would be one thing. Or if this situation had simply been an error in judgment that would be another.


My intent would not be to scare the other players. My intent would be to shake some sense into this particular accused player.

He has already been arrested. He has already been publicly humiliated. He is already going to have to go to court. If that isn't enough to shake some sense into him, then he is beyond help.


There are forms of restitution that do not include paying money. Further, I doubt this particular scenario is covered in NCAA regulations.

Then I must be an slobbering idjit because the obvious reasons you cite are not readily apparent to me.

Other than making apologies, no coach should be able to force a player to provide a benefit to any other individual, and I doubt the NCAA lets them. These aren't prisoners and Stoops is not a judge.


If you think public disgrace, having everyone involved in the game of college football know about your mistake, fretting about your future in the game and running stairs until you puke for a month or so is a slap on the wrist, than you must have a very high pain tolerance.

Didn't stop him from committing the crime in the first place, did it?

I am not sure Stoops can make him run stairs to the point of extreme punishment. Athletes have far more protection from such punishments than they used to. Times have changed in this regard, probably for the better.

[Petro-Sooner]

Kick him off. Cancer I say. IMHO. Get a degree like the rest of the us. On your own dime. I did it.

I'd be interested to see how he is progressing towards a real degree......

On the football team? :rolleyes:

[r5TPsooner]

I hope it was a nice wool or leather jacket but Granger doesn't appear to be that intelligent.

[zeke]

Punish him and then for get it.

He's human. He made a mistake...a real stupid mistake.

Let Bob Stoops take care of it.

If he gets to stay on the team it will be interesting to see if those who "no how no way want him representing my school" will be rooting for the Sooners.

Didn't Colt Brennen steal something one time....seems he's turned his life around

[Leroy Lizard]

Let Bob Stoops take care of it.

Ultimately, he is going to anyway. I have my wishes, but obviously he doesn't have to abide by them.


If he gets to stay on the team it will be interesting to see if those who "no how no way want him representing my school" will be rooting for the Sooners.


That makes no sense at all. Why would I quit rooting for the Sooners?


Didn't Colt Brennen steal something one time....seems he's turned his life around

So did Charles Thompson. You were saying?

[soonernation]

Ultimately, he is going to anyway. I have my wishes, but obviously he doesn't have to abide by them.



That makes no sense at all. Why would I quit rooting for the Sooners?



So did Charles Thompson. You were saying?


Did you come about being a self righteous ***** naturally or was something you learned over time?

[Leroy Lizard]

Did you come about being a self righteous ***** naturally or was something you learned over time?

I don't know, but I am pretty sure you were born an idiot.

[soonernation]

I don't know, but I am pretty sure you were born an idiot.

I bet we could make a poll on the subject. Who's the bigger idiot between the two of us? I bet you would win in a landslide.

[r5TPsooner]

Couldn't he of waited until AFTER the game to steal something?

[soonersnow]

Arrived in Arizona this afternoon, and what a blow when we heard on the way out what a stupid thing Granger did. Kids will be kids, but this borders on stupidness. Bummer. :(

I look for the other kids to step up and we will win by double digits.:O

[Leroy Lizard]

I bet we could make a poll on the subject. Who's the bigger idiot between the two of us? I bet you would win in a landslide.

Idiocy is not a matter of opinion. For example, you're an idiot. Regardless of what anyone thinks, that fact is true. Whether or not it remains true depends on whether anyone manages to talk some sense into you.

[Cam]

Did you come about being a self righteous ***** naturally or was something you learned over time?
Occupational hazard?

[jwlynn64]

So, at what point do we allow players to stay on the team based on their bad decisions?

Rhett and Quinn didn't do anything illegal. Should they have been allowed to stay on the team?

If a player gets drunk and gets caught driving. That is illegal. Should they be kicked off?

Public indecency? Domestic violence? Minor in possession?

Everyone that is advocating kicking DM off the team, please post what offenses should result in an automatic ejection from the team.

Also, does it matter if the offenses occurred prior to getting accepted by the school or not?

I'm also sure there are many other fine institutions that you might choose to root for with high academic and moral standards to meet with your understanding of "How the world should work". Of course, you probably will have to wait a long time before lightning strikes and your teams are actually any good but you have to draw the line somewhere... right?

[Alum81]

I'm also sure there are many other fine institutions that you might choose to root for with high academic and moral standards to meet with your understanding of "How the world should work". Of course, you probably will have to wait a long time before lightning strikes and your teams are actually any good but you have to draw the line somewhere... right?


Wait, are you actually saying that there is a corelation between behavior such as Granger's and playing in a BCS Bowl Game? Meaning, that to get to BCS games, you have to recruit his kind? I hope you are not implying that.

[Desert Sapper]

Occupational hazard?

Does he teach ethics in the Law department at some Ivy League school?

[jwlynn64]

What I am implying is that many players on teams that do well would not meet the qualifications at schools that place more emphasis on academics and other criteria not associated with winning programs.

If you recruit players that come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds (do not know about DG's backgroud), maybe have lower academic scores and who might have had some trouble in his past, you give that player a chance to better his position in life but you also leave the door open to being disappointed later.

My main point is that I think that it is hypocritical that people are being all fire and brimstone now but never called for this same action against some of our past players who were caught driving while intoxicated, in possession of alcohol or other controlled substances or where arrested for a domestic disturbance of some sort.

I also suspect that you understood my point but sought to deflect attention away from my question which you are unwilling to answer because you don't have a good answer.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

It is just amazing how many people around here have lived such perfect lives their all of their years and never had any youthful indiscretions :rolleyes:

Damn, y'all must have had a boring youth, just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean that you didn't do something that you shouldn't have done.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd300/d311/d31182g8ep7.jpg


The last time I stole something, I was 5. This guy is in his twenties. Theft is low. We need to move to that 'chopping off the hand' system that they have over seas. That'll learn 'em.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

I guarantee you that you've taken something at some point in your life that doesn't belong to you. Yeah DG made a punk move and he will get prosecuted, it embarrassed the University but I think you are going a little overboard. I consider myself a a halfway decent person, I've done worse than trying to steal a coat, I was punished, I grew up and and I learned from the mistakes I made.


Did you do this "worse than stealing a coat" act while you were on a BCS Bowl trip representing your teammates and your school? Did you let down your teammates and get your *** thrown off the team right before a big game?

The act sucks. The timing just shows that the kid is a fool.

[Desert Sapper]

The sad part is that this guy has been a part of the team for the last three years. This isn't some new kid right off the streets of Dallas. He's been with us for a while. I don't know if Bob will give him a second chance. For DeMarcus' sake, I hope so. He may not be the person that this act portrays. If he can pull his act together and find a way to make it up to his team, he could get the second chance he doesn't deserve.

If he is forced to go to the NFL this year, my gut tells me he isn't ready, might go in the late rounds, but will probably be an undrafted free agent. Another year or two could change all that.

He made a choice, and now he'll have to deal with the consequences, whatever those consequences might be.

I think we will do just fine without him. We run a rotation through the tackles (which already includes Bennett and Coleman), so Adrian Taylor may just get more of a chance to shine.

My best guess at the D two-deep going into the game:

DE: English, Davis
DT: Bennett, Taylor
DT: McCoy, Coleman
DE: Dotson, Beal
SLB: Baker, Pleasant
MLB: Lofton, Robinson
WLB: Reynolds, Baker
FCB: Walker, Franks
SS: Wolfe, Bowers
FS: Harris, DWill
BCB: Franks, Brian Jackson
NB: DWill

Overall, I think we'll be fine.

[TexasLidig8r]

My main point is that I think that it is hypocritical that people are being all fire and brimstone now but never called for this same action against some of our past players who were caught driving while intoxicated, in possession of alcohol or other controlled substances or where arrested for a domestic disturbance of some sort.



Perhaps it's a matter of having the requisite mens rea to commit the act. Driving while impaired for example, in many cases is an act or conduct resulting from negligent conduct.

Theft on the other hand, indicates a willingness by the actor to commit the offense, i.e., the actor intended to commit the act and instigated deliberate acts to perpetrate the crime.

While not attempting to diminish the impact or seriousness of DWI, crimes such as theft demonstrate a more culpable mindset, that is crimes involving moral turpitude and are usually dealt with more harshly.

[MiccoMacey]

Lid,

Can you hillbilly down what you said.

Waaaay too many big words.

And use monosyllabic words. They're easier.

;)

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Perhaps it's a matter of having the requisite mens rea to commit the act. Driving while impaired for example, in many cases is an act or conduct resulting from negligent conduct.

Theft on the other hand, indicates a willingness by the actor to commit the offense, i.e., the actor intended to commit the act and instigated deliberate acts to perpetrate the crime.

While not attempting to diminish the impact or seriousness of DWI, crimes such as theft demonstrate a more culpable mindset, that is crimes involving moral turpitude and are usually dealt with more harshly.


Dang, you sure talk purdy.

[MiccoMacey]

1) He should be suspended from the team (one year...minimum).

2) I'm all for second chances. People make mistakes. Use bad judgement. If this is his first screw up since he's been here, he should be allowed to make amends for what he did. If he follows whatever guidelines Stoops puts down for him to possibly return to the team, I'm all for it.

I'd hate to live in a world where we say you only get one screw up and you're automatically gone. No forgivance. No allowance to straighten up and become a productive member of society.

There's few of us on this board that hasn't been given a second chance to make up for screwing up royally. Maybe our screwups weren't as bad or as blatantly wrong as Granger's. But we've all fallen short on something, I guarantee it and given a chance to make up for it. Lord knows I have (and he's the only one who knows...court records have been sealed until 2050 :D).

[sooner518]

Dang, you sure talk purdy.
sounds like an ambulance-chaser to me ;)

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Not that there was much choice but obviously the right thing was done here in sending Granger home.

Moving forward...if this is the first thing that he has done wrong then he probably deserves another chance next year...after the appropriate legal punishment.

If he has done some other stuff of which we aren't aware and this was just the most publicized screw-up and Stoops chooses to boot him off the team I wouldn't question the decision.

I think Stoops has handled these situations in the past about as well as they can be handled and I'm confident whatever decision he makes will be right.

[Desert Sapper]

Perhaps it's a matter of having the requisite mens rea to commit the act. Driving while impaired for example, in many cases is an act or conduct resulting from negligent conduct.

Theft on the other hand, indicates a willingness by the actor to commit the offense, i.e., the actor intended to commit the act and instigated deliberate acts to perpetrate the crime.

While not attempting to diminish the impact or seriousness of DWI, crimes such as theft demonstrate a more culpable mindset, that is crimes involving moral turpitude and are usually dealt with more harshly.


Although I see DWI as potentially more damaging (in that one is merely lucky to get picked up for DWI, and not vehicular homicide), I can see where you are coming from on this. Theft, particularly when it involves removing the sensor tag, involves a deliberate act. Generally, DWI involves a lack of proper planning or impaired decision making. Granger had no (known) impairment to his poor decision, and deliberately tried to walk off with the jacket. This speaks to a lack of moral fiber on his part, unfortunately. Sort of like possessing or smoking marijuana, when you know that doing so is illegal. Deliberate acts require harsh punishment.

[jwlynn64]

I don't know a proper solution to any of the problems listed above. I think that they have to be taken on a case by case basis.

My initial thought is that if this is the first time the player has gotten into trouble then a second chance is merited. If it comes from a player that causes problems more frequently, then it should result is ejection from the team.

I would also factor in whether the player seems to regret the incident or not.

Thanks for giving a serious answer to this question. My initial post was not meant to be a flippant response. I just don't think that you should have some sort of 0 tolerance policy without considering all of the circumstances.

[soonernation]

Idiocy is not a matter of opinion. For example, you're an idiot. Regardless of what anyone thinks, that fact is true. Whether or not it remains true depends on whether anyone manages to talk some sense into you.

You're a funny little boy. The fact that ignorant people think I'm an idiot really has no affect on me. If you really are a professor then the people I feel sorry for are your students. The fact that you can go into a class for an entire semester and not learn **** because of a ****ty professor is sad. You should give them their money back.

[Miko]

Dang, you sure talk purdy.

[Blazing Saddles] You use your tongue purdier than a twenty dollar hooker!" [/Blazing Saddles]

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Although I see DWI as potentially more damaging (in that one is merely lucky to get picked up for DWI, and not vehicular homicide), I can see where you are coming from on this. Theft, particularly when it involves removing the sensor tag, involves a deliberate act. Generally, DWI involves a lack of proper planning or impaired decision making. Granger had no (known) impairment to his poor decision, and deliberately tried to walk off with the jacket. This speaks to a lack of moral fiber on his part, unfortunately. Sort of like possessing or smoking marijuana, when you know that doing so is illegal. Deliberate acts require harsh punishment.


Smoking pot is a fairly arbetrary law. It exists, but smoking pot doesn't inherantly disturb others.

Taking someone else's **** does. Theives are the bottom of the barrell. Someone earlier said that it wasn't a despicable act. That's exactly what it is.

I also don't know how showing remorse would help. It is better than not showing remorse, but the dude wasn't going to turn himself in if he didn't get caught. He is a theif. He would have happily wore the stolen jacket around as if he earned it and never would have said a word about it.

He stole someone else's property while on a trip to play in the Fiesta Bowl. What a ******.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Awww, man! We can't use the proper spelling of doosh anymore?

[1stTimeCaller]

Here is the only pattern I need to know:

"It's not mine, but I want it. I think I can steal it and get away with it."

I don't want someone like that representing my university. No way, no how.

You do realize what David Boren did as a career before he became the President of the University, don't you? ;)

On another note, how many stirrups do you have tied together? I'm guessing at least 10 as that's an awfully high horse you seem to be riding.

[Desert Sapper]

Smoking pot is a fairly arbetrary law. It exists, but smoking pot doesn't inherantly disturb others.



There's really nothing arbitrary about possession or use of a controlled substance. We don't have hash bars in this country (although I'm sure such a thing would pass the popular vote). The deliberate nature of the two acts was specifically what I was comparing. Just as the whorn was comparing the intent component of theft and DWI, so too, was I comparing the deliberate use of an illegal substance with the deliberate act to steal. The choice of pot usage was a fairly deliberate attempt on my part to poke at the whorn. ;)

Nothing mitigates what Granger did or how he did it. He needs to be dealt with, and I'm sure he will be.

[Miko]

I trust in Bob to deal with this appropriately. And with that in mind, I am very proud of the manner in which he has handled this so far.

I much prefer, put his butt on a plane and we'll deal with this after the bowl game much much more than, we'll let the courts deal with this in their own time frame so he'll suit up until then.

[Blues1]

I trust in Bob to deal with this appropriately. And with that in mind, I am very proud of the manner in which he has handled this so far.

I much prefer, put his butt on a plane and we'll deal with this after the bowl game much much more than, we'll let the courts deal with this in their own time frame so he'll suit up until then.

True -True - True .....!!

[Desert Sapper]

I trust in Bob to deal with this appropriately. And with that in mind, I am very proud of the manner in which he has handled this so far.

I much prefer, put his butt on a plane and we'll deal with this after the bowl game much much more than, we'll let the courts deal with this in their own time frame so he'll suit up until then.

Agree 100%. Yet another excellent command decision by Stoops.

[Okla-homey]

Perhaps it's a matter of having the requisite mens rea to commit the act. Driving while impaired for example, in many cases is an act or conduct resulting from negligent conduct.

Theft on the other hand, indicates a willingness by the actor to commit the offense, i.e., the actor intended to commit the act and instigated deliberate acts to perpetrate the crime.

While not attempting to diminish the impact or seriousness of DWI, crimes such as theft demonstrate a more culpable mindset, that is crimes involving moral turpitude and are usually dealt with more harshly.

C'mon Counselor. Surely you jest...in your own inimitable pot-striing fashion I might add.;)

Anyhoo, in these parts, driving impaired is a crime of strict liability. Thus, mens rea is not an element of the crime. It might make a difference in the sentencing phase, e.g. if your family just died in a housefire and you were drowning your sorrows on the way to your motel room after picking out caskets at the funeral home, but you're still going down if the fuzz has the evidence.

Kinda like boinking a minor. You do it and if she, or her parents squawk, it don't matter why,or whether she looked of age or not. You got some 'splaining to do. To a judge. Who very likely will take a dim view of the encounter. Re the experience of the fictional "R.P. McMurphy"

[soonerloyal]

Had Mr. Granger considered JWTK's sig line before he picked up that coat, we'd all be short one 13+ page, highly depressing thread.

What a shame...on so many levels, for so many people. A damn shame.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

I trust in Bob to deal with this appropriately. And with that in mind, I am very proud of the manner in which he has handled this so far.

I much prefer, put his butt on a plane and we'll deal with this after the bowl game much much more than, we'll let the courts deal with this in their own time frame so he'll suit up until then.





I totally agree in this case. It's pretty clear cut though. THe guy admitted it. If there was a judgement of innocence or guilt to be made, I might have a different view.