Discovery's Planet Earth

[Lott's Bandana]

...is some of the most extraordinary **** I have EVAR seen.


Marlon Perkins would be proud.

[bluedogok]

I want to get the Blu-ray version, we watched it off of DiscoveryHD and it was incredible.

[soonerinabilene]

by far the best mini series ive ever seen.

[Lott's Bandana]

So, I DVR'd it and had only seen 3 episodes b4 I posted this thread...watched another one and...

I just saw teh Great White take that seal.....HOLY ****!!!!

[stoops the eternal pimp]

So, I DVR'd it and had only seen 3 episodes b4 I posted this thread...watched another one and...

I just saw teh Great White take that seal.....HOLY ****!!!!


Yeah I kept backing up that part and watching it again. I ve DVRd 11 episodes. My wife says I m a nerd because I m always using those as the demonstration to friends on why I loves my TV

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I like the Nile Croc slo-mo grabbing some animal at the river's edge best.

[Lott's Bandana]

Yeah I kept backing up that part and watching it again. I ve DVRd 11 episodes. My wife says I m a nerd because I m always using those as the demonstration to friends on why I loves my TV

Funny you should say that...

I have always used last year's AT&T Pebbly Beach Tourney with teh overhead shots of Mont Bay for my TV/HD "demo". Now I'm gonna use this show.

'Course, Monterey Bay = Great Whites...maybe we can get a shot of one taking out Rory Sabb?

[Frozen Sooner]

I want to get the Blu-ray version, we watched it off of DiscoveryHD and it was incredible.

It is, but be aware of which version you're buying. Some have Sir David Attenborough narrating, some have Jamie Lee Curtis.

I'll let you be the judge of which is better.

The Planet Earth series convinced me of one thing:

If it even KINDA looks like a deer, everything eats it.

Seriously, one of these days I'm going to make a nature documentary entitled "Things Eating Deer." The final scene will be a herd of deer being eaten by a field of wheat.

[Fraggle145]

This series is awesome. I like the brit narration better, Sigourney Weaver puts me to sleepy time...

[SoonerObsession]

I don't know how anyone can watch this show and still be an atheist.

[Fraggle145]

I don't know how anyone can watch this show and still be an atheist.

Not that I want to have a full blow discussion about this, but it is pretty easy... the same things that support the beauty that one may believe that god creates are also understandable from the point of view of science specifically from the point of view of evolution and natural selection creating intricate and beautiful adaptations without having to involve a deity.

....lets just make sure that we arent the last to see it.

[Frozen Sooner]

I don't know how anyone can watch this show and still be an atheist.

That's funny, I don't know how anyone can watch this show and be anything but.

[tbl]

Yeah I kept backing up that part and watching it again. I ve DVRd 11 episodes. My wife says I m a nerd because I m always using those as the demonstration to friends on why I loves my TV
Exactly what I do. That opening scene pretty much does it for a quick demo. I think I have all of them DVR'd by now. I tried the "Fearless Planet" series but it wasn't as good as Planet Earth. "The Universe" on History has some pretty awesome stuff too.

[sanantoniosooner]

I don't know how anyone can post on the internet and be anything but an idiot.

[tbl]

It's not Jamie Lee Curtis, it's Sigourney Weaver.



Look at the biochemistry involved and it's pretty easy to see the futility of atheism. You could also study astronomy or try watching "The Universe" on the History Channel and listen to some of the astronomers. Even Stephen Hawking acknowledges that atheism is an invalid belief system. He doesn't believe in a personal God, but he knows simply by the science of the Big Bang that there's something that created it all. There never will be an explanation for it outside of the supernatural.

[sanantoniosooner]

It is, but be aware of which version you're buying. Some have Sir David Attenborough narrating, some have Jamie Lee Curtis.

I'll let you be the judge of which is better.
And THIS is by far my favorite mistake by Mike EVER.

HI
LAR
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[Lott's Bandana]

Regardless, Jamie Lee Weaver's voice has no distinction at all...that could be the only drawback, and it deals with audio, not video.

Oh, and she called the glacier, "the most erosive force on Planet Earth." Then in the next show she called rivers, "the most erosive force on Planet Earth". I suppose glaciers could be considered rivers, sort of?

Almost need to Mushberger her...

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I don't know how anyone can post on the internet and be anything but an idiot.You've taken the first step.

[IB4OU2]

I don't know how anyone can watch this show and still be an atheist.

They may not have HD. God will understand.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Exactly what I do. That opening scene pretty much does it for a quick demo. I think I have all of them DVR'd by now. I tried the "Fearless Planet" series but it wasn't as good as Planet Earth. "The Universe" on History has some pretty awesome stuff too.


I did the same thing.. I tried 3 episodes of Fearless Planet and deleted them.

[Frozen Sooner]

And THIS is by far my favorite mistake by Mike EVER.

HI
LAR
I
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I'm glad I was able to make your day. :)

I haven't seen the US version.

[Frozen Sooner]

It's not Jamie Lee Curtis, it's Sigourney Weaver.



Look at the biochemistry involved and it's pretty easy to see the futility of atheism. You could also study astronomy or try watching "The Universe" on the History Channel and listen to some of the astronomers. Even Stephen Hawking acknowledges that atheism is an invalid belief system. He doesn't believe in a personal God, but he knows simply by the science of the Big Bang that there's something that created it all. There never will be an explanation for it outside of the supernatural.


What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary. [Stephen W. Hawking, Der Spiegel, 1989]

Wow, because that direct quote from Hawking seems to say the exact opposite of what you claim he believes.

[Lott's Bandana]

God likes to eat deer too.


(and rams)

[Frozen Sooner]

God likes to eat deer too.


(and rams)

Obviously. Otherwise, they wouldn't be so tasty.

[Lott's Bandana]

Then God likes hummus too.

[tbl]

Wow, because that direct quote from Hawking seems to say the exact opposite of what you claim he believes.
1989 is when he said what you quoted.

“The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired.”

“All the evidence shows that God was actually quite a gambler, and the universe is a great casino, where dice are thrown, and roulette wheels spin on every occasion”

“Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.”

“If we find the answer [the unified theory], it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for we would know the mind of God."

“When asked, 'What did God do before he created the universe?' St. Augustine didn´t reply, 'he was preparing Hell for people who asked such questions.' Instead, he said that time was a property of the universe that God created, and that time did not exist before the beginning of the universe.”


Regardless of what Stephen Hawking says, the universe, earth, and all of creation declare the glory of God. I'm not resting my faith in God over what a genius with a wheelchair and voicebox says. The facts are obvious.

No matter what way you cut it, atheists will always stumble over "the beginning". No credible scientist would disagree with the fact of the Big Bang... yet there is no scientific explanation of what actually caused it, nor will science ever be able to offer one. All the laws of the universe start and end at that point. Before it, there is nothing, and you can't create this entire universe from nothing without something creating it. The Biblical creation account states precisely "who" did indeed create it, and with alarmingly scientific accuracy (research some of Hugh Ross' books, a good starter is "The Genesis Question").

[tbl]

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9404/bigbang.html

[sanantoniosooner]

Guys.........Mike can't even tell Jamie Lee Curtis from Sigourney Weaver.

Why press for something more complicated?;)

[tbl]

I meant to address that again... ;)

IT'S NOT JAMIE LEE CURTIS! IT'S SIGOURNEY WEAVER!!

:D

[IB4OU2]

What are Kelly Pickler's thoughts on this?

[Frozen Sooner]

1989 is when he said what you quoted.

“The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired.”

“All the evidence shows that God was actually quite a gambler, and the universe is a great casino, where dice are thrown, and roulette wheels spin on every occasion”

“Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.”

“If we find the answer [the unified theory], it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for we would know the mind of God."

“When asked, 'What did God do before he created the universe?' St. Augustine didn´t reply, 'he was preparing Hell for people who asked such questions.' Instead, he said that time was a property of the universe that God created, and that time did not exist before the beginning of the universe.”


Regardless of what Stephen Hawking says, the universe, earth, and all of creation declare the glory of God. I'm not resting my faith in God over what a genius with a wheelchair and voicebox says. The facts are obvious.

No matter what way you cut it, atheists will always stumble over "the beginning". No credible scientist would disagree with the fact of the Big Bang... yet there is no scientific explanation of what actually caused it, nor will science ever be able to offer one. All the laws of the universe start and end at that point. Before it, there is nothing, and you can't create this entire universe from nothing without something creating it. The Biblical creation account states precisely "who" did indeed create it, and with alarmingly scientific accuracy (research some of Hugh Ross' books, a good starter is "The Genesis Question").

Your quote does not support your contention that Stephen Hawking claims that the universe requires a God to start it. Hawking has stated that is not the case. He has ALSO stated that if there was a God who created the universe, he did it within the framework of physics. Hell, even in what you quoted he said "may or may not be divinely inspired."

Your use of the bootstrap argument is hardly original and has an obvious hole from the get go-for if the universe requires a creator, then why would God not require one?

You are correct in that quoting Hawkins is a fallacious appeal to authority.

However, as we all know, tall dark-haired women can probably answer this whole thing better than any of us ever will-whether they're Sigourney Weaver or Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Lott's Bandana]

What are Kelly Pickler's thoughts on this?

She thinks hummus is something she does to Ryan.

:eek:

[Fraggle145]

Regardless of what Stephen Hawking says, the universe, earth, and all of creation declare the glory of God. I'm not resting my faith in God over what a genius with a wheelchair and voicebox says. The facts are obvious.

To you.


No matter what way you cut it, atheists will always stumble over "the beginning". No credible scientist would disagree with the fact of the Big Bang... yet there is no scientific explanation of what actually caused it, nor will science ever be able to offer one. All the laws of the universe start and end at that point. Before it, there is nothing, and you can't create this entire universe from nothing without something creating it. The Biblical creation account states precisely "who" did indeed create it, and with alarmingly scientific accuracy (research some of Hugh Ross' books, a good starter is "The Genesis Question").

I would argue that religious people and creationists stumble over the beginning too, since faith cant be proven or disproven. Also I would say the 7 day time scale is a bit ridiculous. Arguing that some thing or event must create the universe is valid, arguing that it has to be a "who" or something with intelligence is debatable. I would also disagree that it will never be possible to discover what caused the big bang... It may not be feasible now, but who would have guessed that back in the stone age that we would know that the sun was the center of the universe.

[Lott's Bandana]

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah...However, as we all know, tall dark-haired women can probably answer this whole thing better than any of us ever will-whether they're Sigourney Weaver or Jamie Lee Curtis. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twinkies:


Ok, now I'm interested again...so Mike, since I would, without hesitation, pray for and to this:

http://www.quickpicturehost.com/images/qph-1198271880.jpg

Does that make her my God?


<making nom nom nom noises>

[OCUDad]

The fussy slapfight between Mike Rich and tbl proves that if there IS a God, He had nothing to do with either one of them. :P

[bluedogok]

What are Kelly Pickler's thoughts on this?
Saline or silicone?

[tbl]

I would argue that religious people and creationists stumble over the beginning too, since faith cant be proven or disproven. Also I would say the 7 day time scale is a bit ridiculous. Arguing that some thing or event must create the universe is valid, arguing that it has to be a "who" or something with intelligence is debatable. I would also disagree that it will never be possible to discover what caused the big bang... It may not be feasible now, but who would have guessed that back in the stone age that we would know that the sun was the center of the universe.
I don't believe in a 7 day creation event, and I don't believe the Bible teaches it either if one does a thorough study of the Hebrew text. I don't believe any creationist that believes in a literal 7 day creation can use science in their arguments as there are numerous indisputable facts that speak to the old age of the universe and the earth itself. I believe in big bang cosmology, but I have an answer as to what caused the big bang. You guys don't. ;)

and for whoever anonymously negged me with their grey spek with these priceless nuggets:
"god isn't real, deal with it, hahahaha"
"the bible does nothing with scientific accuracy, you're an idiot"
I again request that you do some research before you make your blanket statement in regards to what the Bible does or doesn't say about science. I already referenced Hugh Ross and his book "The Genesis Question" as a great resource to study what some of the interpretations, most notably Genesis 1-3 are. http://www.reasons.org/
If you're interested at all in seeing what the other half believes (as anybody interested in science should be), check it out. These guys aren't people with Doctorates in theology (though there are some on staff). They have Doctorates in Cosmology, Biochemistry, Physics, Chemistry, etc. Good stuff if you're interested.

and please don't neg spek me with your grey spek anymore. It hurts my feelings. [hairGel]

To Mike: "if the universe requires a creator, then why would God not require one?"
This is where faith comes into play. I believe in a God that is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He operates outside the space/time continuum and is not subjected to it since He created it. For a finite human being to grasp the infinite power of God is something that I would never attempt to tackle. Good luck with that... ;)

[SoonerObsession]

I feel sad for those who really think this world is all there is. I don't know how you go on living each day without hope of something more. I pray that someday you will study God's word and see His plan for you.

[Fraggle145]

I feel sad for those who really think this world is all there is. I don't know how you go on living each day without hope of something more. I pray that someday you will study God's word and see His plan for you.

you know i get really insulted when people say stuff like this. "I dont know how you live, dont you feel worthless, blah blah blah."

This is the most ridiculous crap I ever hear, and I've spoken about it before in these forums. What if I was to say to you, dont you feel worthless believing in a god that we know doesnt exist? I would be banned in a heart beat.

Don't use your god and belief system as a prop or as a means to look down on me because I dont see the world the same way as you. I dont appreciate it.

Dont pray for me, dont feel sorry for me. If I wanted your pity I would ask for it.

Maybe you should take a lesson from tbl and have an intelligent conversation about god or the potential lack thereof, where you dont feel the need to insult anybody. How do you know that I havent studied "god's word" or more appropriately the word of men retranslated 100 some odd times through the ages. I have.

I have plenty of hopes, dreams and other great fulfilling things in my life.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Frozen Sooner]

I feel sad for those who really think this world is all there is. I don't know how you go on living each day without hope of something more. I pray that someday you will study God's word and see His plan for you.

Oh, I don't know. Smugness keeps me warm most nights.

[Fraggle145]

I don't believe in a 7 day creation event, and I don't believe the Bible teaches it either if one does a thorough study of the Hebrew text. I don't believe any creationist that believes in a literal 7 day creation can use science in their arguments as there are numerous indisputable facts that speak to the old age of the universe and the earth itself. I believe in big bang cosmology, but I have an answer as to what caused the big bang. You guys don't. ;)...

...To Mike: "if the universe requires a creator, then why would God not require one?"
This is where faith comes into play. I believe in a God that is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He operates outside the space/time continuum and is not subjected to it since He created it. For a finite human being to grasp the infinite power of God is something that I would never attempt to tackle. Good luck with that... ;)

Fair points... I dont know what caused the big bang, I just dont think that it has to be god that caused it. I do like Mike's argument and you presented the reason I hate faith arguments because you have to have faith to make it work and so it tends to defy logical laws. Either way, its an opinion, but I like that we both can enjoy the movies from our own perspectives.

:D

[SoonerObsession]

you know i get really insulted when people say stuff like this. "I dont know how you live, dont you feel worthless, blah blah blah."

This is the most ridiculous crap I ever hear, and I've spoken about it before in these forums. What if I was to say to you, dont you feel worthless believing in a god that we know doesnt exist? I would be banned in a heart beat.

Don't use your god and belief system as a prop or as a means to look down on me because I dont see the world the same way as you. I dont appreciate it.

Dont pray for me, dont feel sorry for me. If I wanted your pity I would ask for it.

Maybe you should take a lesson from tbl and have an intelligent conversation about god or the potential lack thereof, where you dont feel the need to insult anybody. How do you know that I havent studied "god's word" or more appropriately the word of men retranslated 100 some odd times through the ages. I have.

I have plenty of hopes, dreams and other great fulfilling things in my life.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I apologize for insulting you. Hope you and your family have a good holiday.

[Fraggle145]

I apologize for insulting you. Hope you and your family have a good holiday.

Thanks, I hope you and yours have a good holiday as well. :D

[tbl]

Fair points... I dont know what caused the big bang, I just dont think that it has to be god that caused it. I do like Mike's argument and you presented the reason I hate faith arguments because you have to have faith to make it work and so it tends to defy logical laws. Either way, its an opinion, but I like that we both can enjoy the movies from our own perspectives.

:D
Yes my friend, but we both have faith. You have faith that there is an undiscovered naturalistic explanation for the creation of the universe and the origins of life, hoping that someday they will be discovered. I have faith that there is a supernatural explanation for both by an all powerful Creator. Ultimately, we all have belief in the unknown and put our faith somewhere. I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God, and it just so happens that there is a wealth of scientific evidence to support that belief. Origin of the Universe? Covered. Origin of life? Covered. These two topics alone are an as yet impenetrable wall that naturalists must choose to ignore in order to maintain their belief system... If not ignore, just put it off that "one day it will be discovered". I firmly believe that there will never be a concrete scientific answer for these questions since both of them lie in the realm of the Divine, specifically the God of the Bible.

In the meantime, have a Merry Christmas! :D:D:D

[Lott's Bandana]

I love this thread.:P

[1stTimeCaller]

9 stars!

[Fraggle145]

Yes my friend, but we both have faith. You have faith that there is an undiscovered naturalistic explanation for the creation of the universe and the origins of life, hoping that someday they will be discovered. I have faith that there is a supernatural explanation for both by an all powerful Creator. Ultimately, we all have belief in the unknown and put our faith somewhere. I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God, and it just so happens that there is a wealth of scientific evidence to support that belief. Origin of the Universe? Covered. Origin of life? Covered. These two topics alone are an as yet impenetrable wall that naturalists must choose to ignore in order to maintain their belief system... If not ignore, just put it off that "one day it will be discovered". I firmly believe that there will never be a concrete scientific answer for these questions since both of them lie in the realm of the Divine, specifically the God of the Bible.

In the meantime, have a Merry Christmas! :D:D:D

I disagree. As an example; people ask me if I believe in evolution, I say "no I dont believe in it, I accept it until a better theory/explanation comes along." Obviously there have been numerous attempts to disprove evolution, however nothing has succeeded in doing so. Unfortunately the only things we can know for sure is when things are disproven. Support is only suggestive. Same thing with global warming and the same thing with the beginning of the universe. I dont believe that their is a naturalistic explanation for the beginning of the universe, I just havent been presented with anything that suggests to me that the beginning of the universe was caused by anything other than a natural event. If I were presented with proof of a god, or disproof of a natural beginning then I would accept a new explanation.

Either way have a Merry Christmas. :D

[OCUDad]

Has anyone pointed out yet that whether you are religious, agnostic, or atheist, "Planet Earth" is awesome? And I mean both the DVD and the planet itself. Merry Christmas (or, if you prefer, Happy Holidays) to all.
:):):):D:D:D:):):)

[OklahomaSooners]

Wanna talk about logical laws? Anybody ever see anything, let alone everything, blow up into a round ball? IE... planets, moons, suns, stars, ETC...?

[OklahomaSooners]

Well I added two more posts to support my opinion, but it seems as though I have been hushed by somebody with some power around here, I have been censored, lol and negged by that person. Oh well this is not my house so I guess thats the way it is!! ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Your posts did not support your opinion. They were attacks aimed at other people. I am the one who deleted your posts, and I stand by their deletion.

If I were the one who gave you a red dot, I'd let you know it was me. However, with as little as $5 a month you can find out for yourself who gave you a little red dot.

If you'd like to continue this part of the discussion (ie any moderation of a thread or deletion of a post) feel free to PM me.

[OklahomaSooners]

If saying _ If WERE <--- gonna live like there is no God WE<--- better be right, Is an attack on other people, I stand by that too!!!

[Frozen Sooner]

If saying _ If WERE <--- gonna live like there is no God WE<--- better be right, Is an attack on other people, I stand by that too!!!

*sigh*

One more time: if you'd like to continue discussion, take it to PM. I know what you wrote. You know what you wrote. Further discussion of what got deleted and why is going to be deleted as well.

[tbl]

I'm now utterly confused... :D

[OklahomaSooners]

I'm now utterly confused... :D

Me too, lol

[OklahomaSooners]

Any way God Bless all and Merry Christmas. You too Mike :)

[Frozen Sooner]

Have a Merry Christmas yourself.

[tbl]

I disagree. As an example; people ask me if I believe in evolution, I say "no I dont believe in it, I accept it until a better theory/explanation comes along." Obviously there have been numerous attempts to disprove evolution, however nothing has succeeded in doing so. Unfortunately the only things we can know for sure is when things are disproven. Support is only suggestive. Same thing with global warming and the same thing with the beginning of the universe. I dont believe that their is a naturalistic explanation for the beginning of the universe, I just havent been presented with anything that suggests to me that the beginning of the universe was caused by anything other than a natural event. If I were presented with proof of a god, or disproof of a natural beginning then I would accept a new explanation.

Either way have a Merry Christmas. :D
Do you see the circular logic in this?

There has been much discredit done to the theory of macroevoltion through advancements in the sciences, especially considering the vast holes in the theory itself... but oh well.

Hey dudes... I honestly appreciate the conversation. Everybody has been extremely civil and this is usually a topic that can stir up for vitriolic responses from both sides. Amazingly it hasn't turned personal and I hope that if the thread continues, it stays that way.

Since everybody presumably had a Merry Christmas, now its time to wish you a safe and happy New Year. Peace!

[tbl]

I love grey spek. :D

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/fixinchitlins/greyspek.jpg

[OCUDad]

So much for "Everybody has been extremely civil." :D

[tbl]

Well, I didn't count this guy since he didn't have the guts to actually post on the thread itself. ;)

[Lott's Bandana]

This comment is a slight presumption I suppose.

I enjoy the fact that I can read the opinions of mostly well-spoken individuals about a subject that is so radioactive it has spawned conflicts, battles and wars throughout our history. Opinions that presumably come from the heart and mind and not from a programmed pile of talking points... from laypersons (the presumption) without an agenda, overt or covert.

(not the JLCurtis / Siggie Weaver part)

[bluedogok]

/ON Topic

So, should I get the Blu-ray or HD-DVD version?
Since I have both players now.

[tbl]

If you think about it, this subject hasn't spawned any wars at all since all the religious wars have been between theists and opposing views of God. The atheists involved in wars (Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany) were about power and really didn't have anything to do with religion... unless you consider Hitlers belief in natural selection/evolution and the "superiority of Aryans/Jews considered less than human" as a religion.

[Frozen Sooner]

/ON Topic

So, should I get the Blu-ray or HD-DVD version?
Since I have both players now.

They are identical. Same encoding used on both for both audio and video, IIRC.

[Frozen Sooner]

If you think about it, this subject hasn't spawned any wars at all since all the religious wars have been between theists and opposing views of God. The atheists involved in wars (Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany) were about power and really didn't have anything to do with religion... unless you consider Hitlers belief in natural selection/evolution and the "superiority of Aryans/Jews considered less than human" as a religion.

Hitler was not an atheist-at least not openly. Hitler condemned atheism at several points in his career. The Third Reich itself was virulently anti-atheist.

[1stTimeCaller]

Let's close it up, boys.
;)

[tbl]

/ON Topic

So, should I get the Blu-ray or HD-DVD version?
Since I have both players now.
:D

As long as it's HD, I wouldn't think it matters, but then again I don't have either of those players. Ultimately, if you aren't watching it in HD, you're missing out. I have almost every episode DVR'd on my HD receiver and I still watch them from time to time.

Blue Planet is another good series. The guys that made Planet Earth also made this one, and its obviously strictly focused on water. Same format and everything... but I think they got Jamie Lee Curtis for this one. ;)

[Lott's Bandana]

True tbl, if you take the "there is" vs. the "there isn't" as the sole instigator for conflict. However, going back in history, there are countless examples of not just God vs. God conflict, but also "My God is better than your gods..." armed persuasion. The "My God's" certainly considered the god worshippers as ignorant and blind as some now consider atheists and humanists.


Blu ray vs. DVD-HD? Is that like having a Betamax and a VHS?

Either way, the pictures will be incredible...I'm thinking of upgrading simply because of this series.

[tbl]

Hitler was not an atheist-at least not openly. Hitler condemned atheism at several points in his career. The Third Reich itself was virulently anti-atheist.
It really appears that he claimed belief in God publicly, but his private life was another matter. This site has some balance on the topic, showing both sides. It seems that he used God to initially establish the Reich with the German people, but in private he was at the most a deist.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

Ultimately, one cannot deny that Hitler did indeed believe very strongly in evolution and applied it to his racist views.

For the record, I wasn't using Hitler as an example to show how "bad" atheists are. Believe me, I'm very well aware of the atrocities committed in the name of God.

Radical Muslims are some of the worst people out there when it comes to detestable deeds, and they're as theistic as it gets.

Just wanted to make sure you guys didn't consider that a "lump 'em together" insult, as that was not my intent at all.

[Lott's Bandana]

It really appears that he claimed belief in God publicly, but his private life was another matter.


You certainly don't have to be a Hitler to walk this walk.

[tbl]

Ain't that the truth...

[Partial Qualifier]

http://seriouscatstares.ytmnd.com/

[BigRedJed]

Man, I was all excited when I saw this thread and thought it was about the great Discovery Channel series that I just finished watching in all of its HD glory, courtesy my DVR.

:mad:

[Lott's Bandana]

So, here it is a week later and I find out my DVR gets the hiccups when the memory gets full. Not only does it stop recording when it runs out of space, it also needs to be rebooted in order for scheduled recordings to work...once room is made.

My point is: Jed, you are lucky you got it all recorded...after a 3 episode tease, I have to now resort to going out and purchasing the DVDs....and likely a DVD/HD gizmo as well.

I love watching the krill eaten by the fish, fish eaten by the penguins, penguins eaten by the seals, seals eaten by the sharks. All of them in search of the elusive tasty deer.

[tbl]

So, here it is a week later and I find out my DVR gets the hiccups when the memory gets full. Not only does it stop recording when it runs out of space, it also needs to be rebooted in order for scheduled recordings to work...once room is made.

My point is: Jed, you are lucky you got it all recorded...after a 3 episode tease, I have to now resort to going out and purchasing the DVDs....and likely a DVD/HD gizmo as well.

I love watching the krill eaten by the fish, fish eaten by the penguins, penguins eaten by the seals, seals eaten by the sharks. All of them in search of the elusive tasty deer.
I wouldn't get the DVD's yet if I were you. They replay them from time to time so as long as you have an open timer on your DVR, it will pick up all the episodes you don't have. On Earth Day (whenever that is) they'll have a PE marathon and play them all.

That's the one show I made sure I had enough room for on the DVR hard drive. Altogether its only 13 hours or so, so not too much room. Sacrifice your crappy movies you have recorded and get something worthwhile. ;)

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I ve got 11 episodes on DVR..How many total are there?

I just finished watching "Caves". Bat turds in HD are the best!

[Fraggle145]

Do you see the circular logic in this?

There has been much discredit done to the theory of macroevoltion through advancements in the sciences, especially considering the vast holes in the theory itself... but oh well.

Hey dudes... I honestly appreciate the conversation. Everybody has been extremely civil and this is usually a topic that can stir up for vitriolic responses from both sides. Amazingly it hasn't turned personal and I hope that if the thread continues, it stays that way.

Since everybody presumably had a Merry Christmas, now its time to wish you a safe and happy New Year. Peace!

Now back form Georgia and having had a merry christmas :D , I see this thread got a little more entertaining... ;)

Anyway, I see the circular logic in it, and how it is not completely dissimilar from the logic used in faith arguments. I know of the "holes" in the theory, believe me I study it on a daily basis. For example neutral selection, horizontal gene transfer, genetic drift, etc... however most of these "holes" in the theory of evolution are all based in an evolutionary framework, and often have been ecompassed and explained within the theory. I also see you have chosen only to point out holes in macroevolution... microevolution does not necessarily have to lead to macro- but in my opinion would eventually lead there. Anyway it has been fun.

Happy New Year!

As for whoever is grey spekking you they are ghey and obviously incapable of rational discourse.

EDIT: Oh yeah 2000 posts, beyonces!

[Lott's Bandana]

That's the one show I made sure I had enough room for on the DVR hard drive. Altogether its only 13 hours or so, so not too much room. Sacrifice your crappy movies you have recorded and get something worthwhile. ;)

And erase my pro bowling recordings? NEVAH!!


I have teh Cox version of DVR and I don't think it holds all that much...a golf Sunday and two OU games and it's stuffed and bloated, like it's owner after a tussle with Shoney's Breakfast Bar...or a deer.

[bluedogok]

I can add an eSATA drive to my Directv HD-DVR, I thought about adding a 500gb because I was running into some of the same issues, the HD stuff really eats up space quickly. I think we are supposed to be able to have about 40 hours of HD and 200+ of SD programming on the DVR.

I also prefer having the DVD for the ability to throw it in anytime that I feel like, it doesn't cost that much to own it.

[BigRedJed]

And erase my pro bowling recordings? NEVAH!!


I have teh Cox version of DVR and I don't think it holds all that much...a golf Sunday and two OU games and it's stuffed and bloated, like it's owner after a tussle with Shoney's Breakfast Bar...or a deer.
Do you have an HD DVR? If you upgrade to the HD version (no extra charge), it has a much larger drive space. The flip side is that if you start DVRing everything in HD (you will), you fill up the space much more quickly.

I recorded one or two episodes of Planet Earth in HD, and when I saw how much space it was eating up, went on a viewing/erasing frenzy to make room. Of course, once I started watching the PE episodes I freed up giant chunks of space with every watched and erased program. My DVR is now substantially empty.

[Lott's Bandana]

I recorded one or two episodes of Planet Earth in HD, and when I saw how much space it was eating up, went on a viewing/erasing frenzy to make room. Of course, once I started watching the PE episodes I freed up giant chunks of space with every watched and erased program. My DVR is now substantially empty.

Jed, that is scary. Are you me?

:eek:

[KC//CRIMSON]

You guys do know you can rent those on dvd now, right?

[BigRedJed]

Now why the hell would I spend money on a DVD of something that is already being piped to my house?

[BigRedJed]

Jed, that is scary. Are you me?

:eek:
I hate to break it to you, but yes.

[Lott's Bandana]

I hate to break it to you, but yes.

Ok then...

figger out why we itch there and fix it, will you? I canna take it any more.

:P

[KC//CRIMSON]

Now why the hell would I spend money on a DVD of something that is already being piped to my house?

because you like commercials?

and welcome to last year: http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90158&highlight=planet

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[BigRedJed]

The new HD DVR box also has an extry arrow thingy when I fast forward. Commercials are a thing of the past. Sometimes the first minute or so of the actual progam when it comes back from commercial are ALSO a thing of the past. :mad:

[bluedogok]

I just prefer owning instead of waiting for something to be piped in. I have seen all versions of the Planet Earth series in used CD/DVD stores for about $30.00 less than the set new.

[BigRedJed]

Hey, cool! Did I mention that I just watched it in HD for FREE??!

[bluedogok]

Well, you really didn't watch it free if you have cable or satellite, you paid for it :D

I have seen it too, but I don't have it on the DVR anymore because I took it off season pass because the football games in HD were huge and I needed the space. I am not so cheap that I can't throw $40.00 or so at it to own it so I can play it whenever I want.

[tbl]

but how much was the HD-DVD player?

I'm paying for satellite anyway. The DVR is just an added bonus. The only things I have recorded on my DVR are from THC or Discovery. I leave around 8-10 hours of HD space (40 hours non-HD) for the shows I watch and then record. I have most (if not all) of the Planet Earths on HD with PLENTY of room for other stuff to be recorded.

[bluedogok]

$200 on sale at Best Buy.

I watched it off the DVR before I had the PS3 or HD-DVD, I was getting them anyway whether I buy the Planet Earth series or not.