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The Maestro
11/15/2007, 01:12 PM
Look who has vaulted up to a tie for 7th! AT LEAST some respect now...we will see what a nationally televised Saturday night game does for him. Up to him to prove it...and do I see a Virginia defensive player getting a vote?!?!?!

Name Position School Year 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total
Dennis Dixon QB Oregon Sr. 14 1 0 0 0 74
Tim Tebow QB Florida So. 1 11 2 1 0 57
Chase Daniel QB Missouri Jr. 0 1 4 2 5 25
Darren McFadden RB Arkansas Jr. 0 0 4 5 3 25
Pat White QB West Virginia Jr. 0 2 4 1 1 23
Glenn Dorsey DT LSU Sr. 0 0 0 2 1 5
Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma Fr. 0 0 0 2 0 4
Colt Brennan QB Hawaii Sr. 0 0 1 0 1 4
Matt Ryan QB Boston College Sr. 0 0 0 2 0 4
Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech Fr. 0 0 0 0 1 1
Chris Long DE Virginia Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1
Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia Fr. 0 0 0 0 1 1
Todd Reesing QB Kansas So. 0 0 0 0 1 1

I do have a problem with Glenn Dorsey getting so much love as well as McFadden. Personally, I would put Todd Reesing much higher on this list.
Widescreen
11/15/2007, 01:54 PM
Crabtree would be higher on the list too if he wasn't a sand aggie. Let that be a lesson to all potential recruits - go someplace where you can win AND receive legitimate consideration for top tier individual awards.
Civicus_Sooner
11/15/2007, 01:59 PM
Why does the term "System" come up for TT QB's and not their WR's?
soonerinabilene
11/15/2007, 02:28 PM
...and do I see a Virginia defensive player getting a vote?!?!?!
.

You must have missed the 289 pieces espn has ran about that kid being Howie Long's son. He is the second coming of buddha. Pay attention.:rolleyes:
Curly Bill
11/15/2007, 03:12 PM
Why does the term "System" come up for TT QB's and not their WR's?

This is indeed a fair question.
yermom
11/15/2007, 03:30 PM
well, the problem with the QB's from Tech is that they get tons of yards, but their ratings aren't high because they generally have lower completion percentages and lower TD:INT ratios

WR stats don't include drops, etc... and Tech recievers don't typically have huge numbers since the ball is spread around a lot. Crabtree is different
flopshotjoe99
11/15/2007, 03:49 PM
The Big Easy defiently deserves some press.:cool:
Widescreen
11/15/2007, 03:55 PM
well, the problem with the QB's from Tech is that they get tons of yards, but their ratings aren't high because they generally have lower completion percentages and lower TD:INT ratios

WR stats don't include drops, etc... and Tech recievers don't typically have huge numbers since the ball is spread around a lot. Crabtree is different
Harrell: 73% completion, 43:12 TD:Int ratio.

Apparently Harrell's different too. His problem is that he goes for a long time without any Int's and then throws a series of them. I hope we can benefit from his carelessness a lot Saturday.
The Maestro
11/15/2007, 04:39 PM
Crabtree is a stud, but he also DROPPED a GAME WINNER in Stillwater. Sure, a big day before then, but the best players make the big plays and that is the difference between winning and losing that game.
TUSooner
11/15/2007, 05:12 PM
WHERE IS MATT FORTE ?
The Maestro
11/15/2007, 05:15 PM
WHERE IS MATT FORTE ?

Tulane. Hence, not on the list. :)
stoopified
11/15/2007, 05:48 PM
Why does the term "System" come up for TT QB's and not their WR's?
Because THEY ARE the product of a system where the QB throws the ball 50+ times a game.WRs in that sytem are going to have big numbers simply because of the vlume of passes thrown.Bradford at QB and Kelly & JI at WR would have HUGE stats in the TT system.Conversely if Harrell and Crabtree were at OU,IMHO they would NOT be as efeective as Bradford,Kelly and JI.
Sooner_Bob
11/15/2007, 06:36 PM
What is the nation's fascination with Tim Tebow?
Civicus_Sooner
11/15/2007, 06:38 PM
Because THEY ARE the product of a system where the QB throws the ball 50+ times a game.WRs in that sytem are going to have big numbers simply because of the vlume of passes thrown.Bradford at QB and Kelly & JI at WR would have HUGE stats in the TT system.Conversely if Harrell and Crabtree were at OU,IMHO they would NOT be as efeective as Bradford,Kelly and JI.
Exactly why I don't think Crabtree should be in the conversation. If Harrell can't be then neither should Crabtree. they are both products of the system. Maybe Tech, which is obvious to me, doesn't have as many talented recievers on their team this year than years past?

There's certainly no Wes welker's on the roster, including Crabtree.
Civicus_Sooner
11/15/2007, 06:40 PM
What is the nation's fascination with Tim Tebow?
He's white AND he can run AND pass. He's probably a better QB than Vince Young right now thow.
The Maestro
11/15/2007, 06:40 PM
What is the nation's fascination with Tim Tebow?

You mean other than the fact he rushes for touchdowns like a running back while throwing for touchdowns like a run and shoot quarterback?

The guy is a freak...and the best player in America.
85sooners
11/15/2007, 08:30 PM
go sam!
Charla
11/15/2007, 09:01 PM
They are all products of the system