W '04

[StoopTroup]

Seriously...isn't it about time to get yourself a razorblade scraper and get these stickers off of your car?

http://ronwade.freeservers.com/W04OvalBS_small.jpg

I'm just sayin'...

[Hot Rod]

I know I get a kick out of seeing these, especially when they've collected them since Dukakis was running!

[TopDaugIn2000]

I saw one the other day that was "W 08". I threw up in my mouth.

[Czar Soonerov]

I saw one the other day that was "W 08". I threw up in my mouth.

I thinks that's for his approval rating.

[sooneron]

I can't stand to see the loser stickers either . John Kerry lost, it's over.

[jdsooner]

I saw one the other day that was "W 08". I threw up in my mouth.

Here I go too: BLEAH!

[Widescreen]

There's a guy that I see driving to work all the time that has this on his car.

http://www.iflipflop.com/wtf.jpg

I thought it was kind of funny (even though I voted for Bush both times).

[picasso]

I still see Clinton stickers.

I'm going to buy one that says:

Say yes to hate

or

Say no to hate, and that means hating W and Republicans too

or

Say yes to lots of sex

or

Say yes to lots of sex with me

oh the possibilities...

[King Crimson]

in one of my old neighborhoods i used to see a Mondale/Ferraro sticker from time to time.

seriously.

[proud gonzo]

the sticker on my car is timeless

http://www.aintchicken.com/aintchicken.com/rfv_preview.gif

[SicEmBaylor]

I had a Goldwater in '64 sticker on my Beetle.

BEAT THAT.

[VeeJay]

I still have some authentic Ford Dole stickers.

[C&CDean]

bri still has a clinton/gore sticker on his hot wheels.

[LilSooner]

Rhino and I have a theory about people with W stickers on the cars and their lack of driving skills.

[SicEmBaylor]

Rhino and I have a theory about people with W stickers on the cars and their lack of driving skills.
I have a theory about people with Kerry stickers on their cars and their inability to vote.

[LilSooner]

I read Stupid White Men so I have a theory about Bush stealing the election :)

[Jerk]

I read Stupid White Men so I have a theory about Bush stealing the election :)

Halliburton Vote-Tampering Machine?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

UBAMA Ooolala '08

[Jerk]

bri still has a clinton/gore sticker on his hot wheels.

I figured he'd be in a hybrid.

[josh09]

My father has a sticker on his oldsmobile that says:

"I voted for Bush. My bad."

I think its pretty funny, i dont know about you guys.

[SicEmBaylor]

Halliburton Vote-Tampering Machine?
No, this book has to do with the inability of people who aren't justices of the Supreme Court to understand the unconstitutionality of changing voter intent standards multiple times until you get the desired result.

[KABOOKIE]

I saw one the other day that was "W 08". I threw up in my mouth.


Haha! Was it me?

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62964

http://members.cox.net/kabookies/images/W08.JPG

[Mongo]

wash your vehicle

[SicEmBaylor]

I think those are ice crystals.

Defrost your car!

[KABOOKIE]

I think those are ice crystals.



It's meth dust you moran!

[Mongo]

It's meth dust you moran!


snort your vehicle

[SicEmBaylor]

This thread represents a real dilemma for me. I detest Bush since he's not..well you know...a legitimate conservative or an effective Chief Executive; however, I absolutely can't stand to side in with liberals while they deride the guy.

[KABOOKIE]

Tee hee.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1214055&postcount=49

[Jimminy Crimson]

I have about 150 W'04 stickers left if anyone wants one.

Campaign mailed me a box of about a 1000.

[SicEmBaylor]

I have about 150 W'04 stickers left if anyone wants one.

Campaign mailed me a box of about a 1000.

Heh, I bet you can get more for those than I can with my box of Rick Perry stickers. =(

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

This thread represents a real dilemma for me. Bush is not..well you know...a legitimate conservative...; however, I absolutely can't stand to side in with liberals while they deride the guy.They don't like him because THEY SEEM TO THINK HE IS a conservative, not acknowledging the social spending he's done that would make any "progressive" proud.

[SicEmBaylor]

They don't like him because THEY SEEM TO THINK HE IS a conservative, not acknowledging the social spending he's done that would make any "progressive" proud.

Well, I'm glad to see you're finally fessing up to that!

It's not just that of course, but that's a big part of it. Also, the fact that they consider him to be a conservative is proof positive of how effective the neo-con wing has been at redefining what it means to be a conservative -- especially on foreign policy!

Having said all that, I find myself defending the guy in the face of liberal criticism. I guess it's because I dislike him for the right reasons while they hate him for all the wrong ones.

[proud gonzo]

I have about 150 W'04 stickers left if anyone wants one.

Campaign mailed me a box of about a 1000.that could make for an interesting prank, i'm sure...

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Well, I'm glad to see you're finally fessing up to that!

It's not just that of course, but that's a big part of it. Also, the fact that they consider him to be a conservative is proof positive of how effective the neo-con wing has been at redefining what it means to be a conservative -- especially on foreign policy!

Having said all that, I find myself defending the guy in the face of liberal criticism. I guess it's because I dislike him for the right reasons while they hate him for all the wrong ones.I don't know why you thought I felt he was doing right with his absurd social spending. Of course, you and I disagree on foreign policy, and the War on Terror(your neo-con thing). That's one of the areas where I agree with Bush.

But, the libs should be proud of Bush for his lack of concern for illegal immigration. He's in lock step with them on that inexplicable issue.

I don't think they hate bush as much as they just want to run everything, and take us into socialist utopia without any opposition or objections.

[SicEmBaylor]

I don't know why you thought I felt he was doing right with his absurd social spending. Of course, you and I disagree on foreign policy, and the War on Terror(your neo-con thing). That's one of the areas where I agree with Bush.

But, the libs should be proud of Bush for his lack of concern for illegal immigration. He's in lock step with them on that inexplicable issue.

I don't think they hate bush as much as they just want to run everything, and take us into socialist utopia without any opposition or objections.

Oh, I'll never understand precisely why the left doesn't give Bush more credit.

The guy has dumped more money into education than any other President (though I understand their objection to it based on how the money can be spent, testing, etc.) -- and he created a giant new entitlement with the medicare prescription drug plan. The libs would never have accomplished the latter with a Democratic President and a GOP Congress.

It's sort of like Nixon though. Nixon's domestic policy was pretty damned liberal. Not as liberal as Johnson's certainly, but very liberal for what we consider to be Republican policy. For God's sake, he's the one who created the EPA...

[SicEmBaylor]

Also, let me clarify this RLIMH:

I do not disagree with the War on Terror. I don't like how the war has been conducted. I have absolutely no problem bombing our enemies into the stone age and doing whatever is necessary from the land, sea, and air to destroy those who pose a threat to this country.

Where I part company with the President is on his idealized/ideological Wilsonian foreign policy. His belief that everyone in the world yearns for freedom is naive and absolutely no way to conduct foreign policy. I'm very much against nation building, and I think the US should be free to support despotic dictators so long as they are friendly to the US. This is essentially what Reagan did. Bush's foreign policy is closer to Carter's than Reagan's.

I don't believe that people who still take a dump in the street can really be expected to embrace modern western ideas of freedom and democracy -- especially considering those people aren't Western.

So, I agree with the War on Terror but strongly strongly oppose wasting American lives, time, and money on installing western political ideas on societies that aren't ready or don't want those political ideas. Bush is dead wrong on that front.

Truth be told, we should have left Saddam exactly where he was in order to maintain a regional balance of power and act as a counter-weight to Iran. We've created a situation where Iran is the dominant regional power and poses a much bigger threat to our security than Saddam did back in 2003. At least with Saddam you had a secular leader who kept his radical Islamic elements suppressed and acted as counter-weight to Iran. He may have hated these United States, but he hated Iran that much more.

[Octavian]

Where I part company with the President is on his idealized/ideological Wilsonian foreign policy. His belief that everyone in the world yearns for freedom is naive and absolutely no way to conduct foreign policy.

It may have some Wilsonian aspects, but it has some major differences.


Wilsonian ideology was founded on defensive multilateralism and an adherence to international - rather than national - institutions in foreign policy formation. Clearly, that has not been W's approach.


It's Wilsonian in its hopes -- but it's aggressive, openly expansive, and often unilateralist in its methods.



the US should be free to support despotic dictators so long as they are friendly to the US. This is essentially what Reagan did.


Bush does too. In fact, he supports despotic regimes -- Saudi Arabia, Pakistan -- in the same region where he's waging war in the name of Western democracy.



Bush's foreign policy is closer to Carter's than Reagan's.


It takes some aspects from both....but neoconservatism is a cluster of post-Cold War ideas that advocate America as a permanent lone superpower. That ideology is something relatively new...with its own set of assumptions and rejections.



Truth be told, we should have left Saddam exactly where he was in order to maintain a regional balance of power and act as a counter-weight to Iran. We've created a situation where Iran is the dominant regional power and poses a much bigger threat to our security than Saddam did back in 2003. At least with Saddam you had a secular leader who kept his radical Islamic elements suppressed and acted as counter-weight to Iran. He may have hated these United States, but he hated Iran that much more.


agreed. But we are where we are....so the next logical step is ________?

[OklahomaTuba]

It's Wilsonian in its hopes -- but it's aggressive, openly expansive, and often unilateralist in its methods.

I always laugh out loud when someone says Bush's foreign policy has been unilateral.

The fact is, nothing Bush has done has been unilateral.

And things like the Iraq war were even a Clinton plan well before Bush ever sniffed the White House. 9/11 just hurried things up.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I always laugh out loud when someone says Bush's foreign policy has been unilateral.

The fact is, nothing Bush has done has been unilateral.

And things like the Iraq war were even a Clinton plan well before Bush ever sniffed the White House. 9/11 just hurried things up.Good Morning! Yes, 9/11 and Sadaam booting out weapons inspectors, along with practically the whole world believing he had WMDs, and was ready to use them.
SicEm, you seem to overlook those things.

[Mixer!]

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[Octavian]

I always laugh out loud when someone says Bush's foreign policy has been unilateral.

The fact is, nothing Bush has done has been unilateral.


eh, ok.

[Widescreen]

eh, ok.
Technically that's true. He would've had the VP and others in his administration going "Yeah, go!" too. ;)

[SicEmBaylor]

I always laugh out loud when someone says Bush's foreign policy has been unilateral.

The fact is, nothing Bush has done has been unilateral.

And things like the Iraq war were even a Clinton plan well before Bush ever sniffed the White House. 9/11 just hurried things up.

Let me ask you this, have you ever tried to get a group together to accomplish some task? Have you ever had a bunch of people volunteer but then in the end you have to do 99% of the work? Well, after you do that do you go around telling people that it was a group effort or that you had to do all the work yourself?

[OklahomaTuba]

Let me ask you this, have you ever tried to get a group together to accomplish some task? Have you ever had a bunch of people volunteer but then in the end you have to do 99% of the work? Well, after you do that do you go around telling people that it was a group effort or that you had to do all the work yourself?

Nice story and all.

At some point will you be using a real life situation to "confirm" your flawed analysis???

[OklahomaTuba]

Technically that's true. He would've had Hillary Clinton and other democrats who voted for the war and continue to keep funding it going "Yeah, go!" too. ;)

Fixed it fer ya. ;)

[SicEmBaylor]

Nice story and all.

At some point will you be using a real life situation to "confirm" your flawed analysis???

What's flawed about it? Yes, there were others who went with us, but we're doing 98% of the work. If you call that a group effort then we have different definitions of a group effort.

I'm not even someone who cares if we did it unilaterally or not. We should always act in our self-interest regardless of who goes along with us, but I'm not going to sit around and claiming this is a grand coalition.

[King Crimson]

actually, the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine (taken on board by the Bush administration and DOD after 9/11 "officially" in something of a tandem re-write by Richard Perle, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Cheney)....specifically mandates unilateral action by the US. look it up.

sorry Tuba, you got nothing to stand on here unless you want to push a very weak semantics argument that what you mean today on November 16, 2007 and what they have undertaken as a consistent policy are not conjoined by the term "unilateral".

[soonerscuba]

Don't Forget Poland!

[soonerscuba]

Bush foriegn policy has been stupid on a number of different levels, most of which blow my mind. First, I agree with SicEm in that American exceptionalism is pretty much a good way to govern in that America is generally exceptional. Bush has been doing his best to change this trend from ignoring hundreds of years of precedence to say that torture is legal and asking the military to engage in years of conflict with no sacrafice from the American people. That is madness. When Hillary or Rudy raise your taxes you can thank Bush for putting off the bill, which will come with interest.

Second, we were better off with Sadaam in power regardless of what Bill Clinton said in '98. The man wasn't an extreme religous fanatic, killed boatloads of terrorists, and acted as a buffer between Iran and the rest of the world. Why don't we cut aid to Israel since they have nuclear weapons against UN protocol? It may sound callous but better them than us, and I am all for arming them to the hilt. Sadaam was never a threat to the American people, hell, he wasn't that big of a threat to the region even if he did have WMDs given the fact that at the height of his power Bush kicked the hell out of him in less than a month.