Notre Dame and recruiting

[Leroy Lizard]

http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2008&School=55&Sport=1

How is it possible they can potentially rake in a class like this? What on Earth do these recruits see in Notre Dame? Weekly tv coverage? Of what, an ***-whuppin'?

Feel free to move it to the recruiting boards.

[snp]

Immediate playing time available for one of the premier football universities in the nation and constant exposure under the tutelage of a coach with an NFL pedigree sounds pretty enticing.

But then again, I root for ND.


And if it was over on the recruiting board, only like 7 of us would see it.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Well, at least we have the positives here: Weiss will coach them into sucking!

[KantoSooner]

But then again, I root for ND.



Why? How could you do this? If defies all concepts of human decency to root for ND.

[snp]

Why? How could you do this? If defies all concepts of human decency to root for ND.

I grew up rooting them since my dad's entire family graduated from there and are Irish-Catholics.

[SoonerKnight]

ND will stil suck and Weiss will be there another 2 years and then they will finally see a 7-5 record! Or they could suck for another decade I don't care! I hate ND!

[Leroy Lizard]

For the typical player being recruited, Notre Dame last won a bowl game when he was six. Since most kids' memories of games kick in around then, many of these recruits will not be able to remember a single time that Notre Dame won a bowl game. Would he remember a Top Ten finish?

NFL pedigree? Wouldn't a 1-8 season take the shine off such a pedigree? How much in awe can you really be of a coach whose team is so horrible?

[OklahomaTuba]

Weis is the most overrated coach in history.

Hell, the Patriots got BETTER when he left!!

If they fired Ty Willingham after his third year for having only 6 wins, and they don't fire Weiss for maybe only having 1-2 wins in his third year, then something is really, really wrong with ND.

[sooneron]

Weis is the most overrated coach in history.

Hell, the Patriots got BETTER when he left!!

If they fired Ty Willingham after his third year for having only 6 wins, and they don't fire Weiss for maybe only having 1-2 wins in his third year, then something is really, really wrong with ND.
The odd thing is, Ty wasn't getting the solid recruits that the boosters felt that he should have been getting. Weis is getting them. If they are sub .500 next year, I think he may be gone, but not after this year.

[sooner518]

if I were recruiting against ND, I would show them the following picture and ask if they want to get bent over like Mr Clausen:
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0909/ncf_u_clausen_195.jpg

[birddog]

i don't support notre dame but i can understand kids wanting to go there. they suck mainly because they don't have any talent. all it takes is for a group of big time recruits to get together and agree to go there to change the culture of losing.

[Blitzkrieg]

Catholics aren't very smart.


The line above is a joke.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Weis is the most overrated coach in history.

Hell, the Patriots got BETTER when he left!!

If they fired Ty Willingham after his third year for having only 6 wins, and they don't fire Weiss for maybe only having 1-2 wins in his third year, then something is really, really wrong with ND.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/jacestar911/thats_racist.gif

[soonerinabilene]

if I were recruiting against ND, I would show them the following picture and ask if they want to get bent over like Mr Clausen:
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0909/ncf_u_clausen_195.jpg
I think thats actually how they got Clausen to begin with...

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

here is the rivals list from 2003. honestly, would you be comfortable getting 4 out of this list? there are some names that jump out at you, mostly for the wrong reasons...

1 Ernie Sims LB 6-0/220 Tallahassee (FL) North Florida Christian Florida State

2 Reggie Bush RB 6-0/180 San Diego (CA) Helix Southern Cal

3 Whitney Lewis ATH 6-1/215 Ventura (CA) St. Bonaventure Southern Cal

4 Andre Caldwell WR 6-2/180 Tampa (FL) Jefferson Florida

5 Kyle Wright QB 6-4/200 Danville (CA) Monte Vista Miami-FL

6 Prescott Burgess DB 6-3/210 Warren (OH) Harding Michigan

7 Tony Hills Jr. TE 6-6/260 Alief (TX) Elsik Texas

8 Jorrie Adams OL 6-7/275 Jasper (TX) Texas A&M

9 Paul Oliver DB 6-0/185 Kennesaw (GA) Harrison Georgia

10 Greg Olsen TE 6-6/235 Wayne Hills (NJ) Notre Dame

11 Martin O'Donnell OL 6-5/290 Downers Grove (IL) Downers Grove South Illinois

12 Dee Webb DB 6-0/185 Jacksonville (FL) Ed White Florida

13 Wesley Jefferson LB 6-2/230 Brandywine (MD) Gwynn Park Maryland

14 LaMarr Woodley LB 6-3/245 Saginaw (MI) Saginaw Michigan

15 Nathaniel Robinson DT 6-4/319 Irvington (NJ) Rutgers

16 Joe Cohen DE 6-2/240 Palm Bay (FL) Florida

17 Chad Jackson WR 6-1/200 Hoover (AL) Florida

18 Ofa Mohetau OL 6-3/335 Euless (TX) Trinity Brigham Young

19 Kregg Lumpkin RB 6-0/190 Stone Mountain (GA) Stephenson Georgia

20 Robert Meachem WR 6-3/200 Tulsa (OK) Booker T. Washington Tennessee

21 Demetris Summers RB 6-1/200 Lexington (SC) South Carolina

22 Justin Ostrowski DE 6-5/255 Portage (WI) Wisconsin

23 Victor Abiamiri DE 6-5/245 Baltimore (MD) Gilman Notre Dame

24 Quinton Culberson DB 6-2/205 Jackson (MS) Provine Mississippi State

25 Jarvis Moss DE 6-7/220 Denton (TX) Ryan Florida

26 Chris Leak QB 6-1/205 Charlotte (NC) Independence Florida

27 Donte Whitner DB 5-11/175 Cleveland (OH) Glenville Ohio State

28 Michael Bush ATH 6-3/225 Louisville (KY) Male Louisville

29 Lawrence Dampeer DT 6-5/275 Decatur (IL) Decatur MacArthur Oklahoma

30 Steve Smith ATH 5-11/190 Woodland Hills (CA) Taft Southern Cal

31 Daniel Brooks LB 6-3/230 Jackson (TN) Central Merry Tennessee

32 Robert Lane QB 6-3/210 Monroe (LA) Neville Ole Miss

33 Sean Bailey WR 6-0/165 Alpharetta (GA) Milton Georgia

34 Justin Warren LB 6-3/220 Tyler (TX) Lee Texas A&M

35 Tarell Brown DB 5-11/178 Mesquite (TX) North Mesquite Texas

36 Adarius Bowman WR 6-3/210 Chattanooga (TN) Notre Dame North Carolina

37 Kenny Scott DB 6-1/176 Daytona Beach (FL) Seabreeze Georgia Tech

38 Louis Irizarry TE 6-5/235 Youngstown (OH) Ursuline Ohio State

39 Shawn Crable DE 6-6/230 Massillon (OH) Washington Michigan

40 Antonio Cromartie DB 6-3/200 Tallahassee (FL) Lincoln Florida State

41 Nick Child DB 6-1/170 Metairie (LA) Rummel LSU

42 Alley Broussard RB 6-1/228 Lafayette (LA) Acadiana LSU

43 Sean Merrill DE 6-5/292 D'Iberville (MS) LSU

44 Tyrone Moss RB 5-10/210 Pompano Beach (FL) Ely Miami-FL

45 Mark Bradford WR 6-1/185 Los Angeles (CA) Fremont Stanford

46 Darrell Blackman RB 6-1/185 Williamsport (PA) Williamsport NC State

47 Ryan Poles OL 6-5/290 Canandaigua (NY) Academy Boston College

48 Vernon Davis TE 6-4/220 Washington (D.C.) Dunbar Maryland

49 Brian Daniels OL 6-4/280 Denver (CO) Mullen Colorado

50 Doug Van Dyke DE 6-6/245 Marshall (MI) Purdue

51 Tony Cade DB 6-2/200 Lewisville (TX) Oklahoma

52 Tim Crowder DE 6-4/227 Tyler (TX) John Tyler Texas

53 Kyle Caldwell DE 6-4/255 Scottsdale (AZ) Saguaro Arizona State

54 Maurice Drew RB 5-9/190 Concord (CA) De La Salle UCLA

55 Jayson Swain WR 6-2/200 Huntsville (AL) Grissom Tennessee

56 Phillip Brown DB 5-11/185 Hampton (VA) Phoebus Virginia

57 Dennis Dixon QB 6-4/180 San Leandro (CA) San Leandro Oregon

58 Drew Radovich OL 6-5/275 Mission Viejo (CA) Southern Cal

59 Andrew Bain OL 6-4/320 Lauderdale (FL) Ely Miami-FL

60 Michael Griffin DB 6-1/180 Austin (TX) Bowie Texas

61 Reggie Nelson DB 6-0/175 Palm Bay (FL) Florida

62 Joel Holler OL 6-6/330 Lancaster (PA) JP McCaskey Penn State

63 Junior Lemau'u DE 6-5/240 Long Beach (CA) Poly UCLA

64 Rashaun Grant RB 5-11/190 Tampa (FL) Jefferson Georgia Tech

65 Alonzo Dotson DE 6-5/225 Alief (TX) Hastings Oklahoma

66 Carnell Stewart DT 6-6/297 River Ridge (LA) John Curtis LSU

67 Xavier Lawson-Kennedy DT 6-3/305 Duncanville (TX) Oklahoma State

68 Sedrick Ellis DT 6-3/260 Chino (CA) Chino Southern Cal

69 Lawrence Jackson DE 6-5/245 Inglewood (CA) Inglewood Southern Cal

70 Tommy Grady QB 6-6/215 Huntington Beach (CA) Edison Oklahoma

71 Clayton Richard QB 6-5/225 Lafayette (IN) McCutcheon Michigan

72 Freddie Parish DB 6-1/195 Long Beach (CA) Poly Notre Dame

73 Marcus Thomas DT 6-4/285 Jacksonville (FL) Mandarin Florida

74 Anthony Hill WR 6-2/195 Jacksonville (FL) First Coast LSU

75 Dorien Bryant WR 5-10/165 Swedesboro (NJ) Kingsway Regional Boston College

76 Mike Mason WR 6-0/175 Rocky Mount (NC) Senior North Carolina

77 Chris Barrett TE 6-5/250 Tustin (CA) Tustin Southern Cal

78 Kevin McCabe QB 6-4/205 Wexford (PA) Pine-Richland Virginia

79 JaMarcus Russell QB 6-5/225 Mobile (AL) Williamson LSU

80 Claude McBride DE 6-4/235 Camden (NJ) Woodrow Wilson Tennessee

81 Tavares Gooden LB 6-1/220 Ft. Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aquinas Miami-FL

82 Demarrio Pleasant LB 6-3/215 Lewisville (TX) Oklahoma

83 David Patterson DT 6-3/260 Warrensville Heights (OH) Ohio State

84 Marcus Stone QB 6-4/230 Harrisburg (PA) Bishop McDevitt NC State

85 Tim Castille ATH 5-11/220 Birmingham (AL) Briarwood Christian Alabama

86 Jonathan Stupar TE 6-5/245 State College (PA) State College Area Virginia

87 LaRon Landry ATH 6-3/185 Hahnville (LA) Hahnville LSU

88 Jordy Lipsey OL 6-4/267 Altamonte Springs (FL) Lake Brantley Virginia

89 Jim Presley LB 6-3/225 Highland (MI) ****ord Michigan

90 Thomas Williams LB 6-3/225 Vacaville (CA) Vacaville Southern Cal

91 Sam Baker OL 6-5/305 Tustin (CA) Tustin Southern Cal

92 Emeka Nnoli RB 6-1/225 Sacramento (CA) Natomas Stanford

93 Jimmie Sutton III ATH 6-1/170 Boca Raton (FL) Boca Raton NC State

94 Donovan Davis OL 6-7/330 Jackson (MS) Callaway Mississippi State

95 Aubrey McPhadden OL 6-6/320 Jacksonville (FL) First Coast Florida State

96 Ryan Mundy DB 6-2/200 Pittsburgh (PA) Woodland Hills Michigan

97 Desmond Williams LB 6-2/238 Dacula (GA) Georgia

98 Jason Jack DE 6-3/250 Humble (TX) Texas A&M

99 Craig Chambers WR 6-5/190 Mill Creek (WA) Jackson Washington

100 Tim Washington DE 6-4/235 Sugar Land (TX) Dulles LSU

[SoonerStormchaser]

So...outta Dampeer, Cade, Grady, Dotson and Pleasent...the only one still seeing a ****load of playing time is....

Dampeer= lazy $hit!
Cade= legal troubles
Grady= impatient
Dotson= finally coming around his senior year
Pleasant= used sparingly

[Desert Sapper]

So, basically the thought process is that OU got 5 guys on the list that never really lived up to their expectations and that ND got 4.

OUr full list from '03:
SIGNED LETTER OF INTENT
Lewis Baker (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9644)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32004.5- Lewisville, TX

Tony Cade (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8369)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22004.43- Lewisville, TX

Tashard Choice (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9418)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-12004.45- Lovejoy, GA

Steven Coleman (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8666)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52754.9- Dallas, TX

Lawrence Dampeer (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=7178)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52754.8- Decatur, IL

Alonzo Dotson (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9309)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52254.6- Alief, TX

Joe Jon Finley (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8270)ATHhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62084.69- Arlington, TX

Cody Freeby (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=12803)Khttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32104.8- Ft. Worth, TX

Tommy Grady (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8659)QBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62154.9-http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:window.open('video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=8659','video','height=850,width=812,toolbar=n o, menubar=no, scrollbars=yes, resizable=yes,location=no, directories=no, status=no');void('');)Huntington Beach, CA

Jacob Gutierrez (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=15673)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-71754.4- San Antonio, TX

Marcus Johnson (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8325)ATHhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11754.4- Abilene, TX

Brandon Keith (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9917)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-63205.1- McAlester, OK

Akim Millington (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8926)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-63205.25- Wheaton, IL

Donte Nicholson (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11462)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22104.48- Walnut, CA

Carl Pendleton (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=10548)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62704.9- Sapulpa, OK

Demarrio Pleasant (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8363)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32154.49- Lewisville, TX

Antonn Reid (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=15718)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-3285-- Plano, TX

Willie Roberts (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11436)TEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-72404.7- Miami, OK

Tristen Ross (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8969)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11904.5- Shreveport, LA

Courtney Tennial (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9540)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-102104.43- Glenpool, OK

Darien Williams (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8586)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-01904.42- Mesquite, TX

John Williams (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11897)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52154.7- Houston, TX

Dane Zaslaw (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8451)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22414.6- Edmond, OK

Brian Zimpel (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9425)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-53105.3- Broken Arrow, OK

[Desert Sapper]

Theirs:
SIGNED LETTER OF INTENT
Victor Abiamiri (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9954)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52454.5- Baltimore, MD

Chase Anastasio (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=10977)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-21904.5- Fairfax, VA

Nick Borseti (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8209)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32154.75- Danvers, MA

Joe Brockington (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11153)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22154.56- Palmyra, PA

John Carlson (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=10605)TEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62204.6- Litchfield, MN

Isaiah Gardner (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11792)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-111854.4- Salem, VA

Ryan Harris (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=10363)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52555- St. Paul, MN

Labrose Hedgemon (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=6111)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-111804.43- Hoover, AL

Trevor Laws (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9123)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32854.75- Apple Valley, MN

Ashley McConnell (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=13599)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-112404.5- Adairsville, GA

Chinedum Ndukwe (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8738)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-31904.5- Dublin, OH

Freddie Parish (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9273)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11954.49-http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:window.open('video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=9273','video','height=850,width=812,toolbar=n o, menubar=no, scrollbars=yes, resizable=yes,location=no, directories=no, status=no');void('');)Long Beach, CA

Geoffrey Price (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=10266)Khttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-31804.6- Colleyville, TX

Brady Quinn (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8697)QBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-42154.65- Dublin, OH

Jeff Samardzija (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8153)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-41904.5- Valparaiso, IN

Dwight Stephenson, Jr. (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9851)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22154.5- Boca Raton, FL

John Sullivan (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8750)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-42704.9- Greenwich, CT

Mitchell Thomas (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9231)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32124.5-http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:window.open('video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=9231','video','height=850,width=812,toolbar=n o, menubar=no, scrollbars=yes, resizable=yes,location=no, directories=no, status=no');void('');)Smiths, AL

Travis Thomas (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9259)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-12004.4- Washington, PA

Ambrose Wooden (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9952)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11904.4- Baltimore, MD

Tommy Zbikowski (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8930)QBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11904.4- Buffalo Grove, IL

I don't think they did too bad. Quinn Abiamiri, Samardzija, and Zbikowski were standouts for them.

I personally think that the ND alums were looking for an excuse to kick out Ty (so they could get Urban Meyer), and it backfired. The NFL-ites thought the hiring of the fat man was a godsend for ND, because we all know that NFL coaches are infinitely smarter than their college counterparts. Weiss was going to put his big brain to use and punish the inferior college coaches for even thinking they belong in the same stratosphere.:rolleyes:

I don't hate ND. In fact, I've liked every ND fan I've met, and I was treated very well there when I traveled to their stadium. I do, however, hope that Weiss falls on his fat face to punish those that thought it was right to axe Ty Willingham on a whim.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Domer signed a freshman class(this year's) that was supposedly one of the top classes, as well...?

[Shneeg11]

Okay, a lot of recruiting sites will immediately raise a players ranking if they are going to ND or USC...I know it may sound crazy, but that's the way it works.

[snp]

For the typical player being recruited, Notre Dame last won a bowl game when he was six. Since most kids' memories of games kick in around then, many of these recruits will not be able to remember a single time that Notre Dame won a bowl game. Would he remember a Top Ten finish?

NFL pedigree? Wouldn't a 1-8 season take the shine off such a pedigree? How much in awe can you really be of a coach whose team is so horrible?

Winning bowl games has no effect on a kids recruiting. And the last time they finished top-10 was 2005 so unless these kids all have the memory span of gold fish, I bet they remember.

ND is the youngest team in the nation. Their offense is similar to ours in 2005, but they don't have AD or the solid defense to rely on.

No one is happy with Weis this year but it was suppose to be a very bad year. Not this bad and if Weis doesn't dramatically turn it around next year, more people will be calling for his head.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

You guys need to listen to Pat Jones talk about recruiting services. He gives a pretty good understanding of how those things work. How a guy can be a 4 or 5 star going to play in a certain place and a 2 star if he commits somewhere else. A lot of it has to do with the coach. If a coach is recruiting a player and he gives rivals their phone number and all the information about the player, that coach is in with Rivals. They say thats the reason some of the Callahan and Franchione recruiting classes were rated high. Callahan has actually been a speaker at some Rivals functions. Well what do you think they are gonna do?

My question has always been how do you take thousands of players from around the country and rate them? And how do you rank them in a top 100 or 150? Its impossible to formulate that process without including 98 percent BS in the formula

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Okay, a lot of recruiting sites will immediately raise a players ranking if they are going to ND or USC...I know it may sound crazy, but that's the way it works.


This is absolutely true. I think much more in the case of ND. I think ND could pick just about any high school senior and give him a scholarship and he will be rated as a 3-star. If the recruiting rankings for the last several years were remotely correct and Weis could coach at all ND would be 7-2 right now.

So their next class will be rated in the top 5, maybe #1 and they will be massively overrated as well.

[snp]

You guys need to listen to Pat Jones talk about recruiting services. He gives a pretty good understanding of how those things work. How a guy can be a 4 or 5 star going to play in a certain place and a 2 star if he commits somewhere else. A lot of it has to do with the coach. If a coach is recruiting a player and he gives rivals their phone number and all the information about the player, that coach is in with Rivals. They say thats the reason some of the Callahan and Franchione recruiting classes were rated high. Callahan has actually been a speaker at some Rivals functions. Well what do you think they are gonna do?

No body drops 2-3 stars.

Coaches don't give a flying flip what the recruiting services rank kids. They'd prefer they stay under the radar so no body else hops on. They aren't calling up Scout or Rivals and giving detailed analysis of these guys.

And wouldn't it stand to reason that if a kid such as Juaquin Iglesis (who was off the radar and immediately jumped to a 3* if a program of ou's caliber thought they were worthy of a scholarship? It's not like Oklahoma, USC, Florida, etc are recruiting the leftovers.



My question has always been how do you take thousands of players from around the country and rate them? And how do you rank them in a top 100 or 150? Its impossible to formulate that process without including 98 percent BS in the formula

People such as myself have done research and if you are a 4-5* recruit, you're much more likely to be drafted because you're on average, a more talented prospect. This isn't fool proof but as more money and time is being invested into recruiting services, the more accurate they're becoming.

They'll never be close to 100% but neither are college coaches. Recruiting for the most part is a guessing game.

[tommieharris91]

Those who say that recruiting services add stars after a kid commits there are speaking some truth. A QB that notre dame recruited this year was a 4-star on Rivals, committed to ND, and Rivals made him a 5-star guy a week later.

[Desert Sapper]

Okay, a lot of recruiting sites will immediately raise a players ranking if they are going to ND or USC...I know it may sound crazy, but that's the way it works.

I agree, but it happens as soon as one or more of the top schools in the country (in terms of coach, tradition, ranking, etc.) offers him.

For example, let's say that you work for Rivals.com, and you don't have XX recruit ranked yet (or maybe he has 1-2 'stars'). What is your first thought if USC, OU, Florida, tOSU, Texas, Miami, and ND all offer the kid? After the 'Oh ****!', your next reaction is to immediately raise that kid's ranking. You'll find, fairly consistently, that the '4-star' and '5-star' (and to some degree '3-star') recruits are relatively highly recruited. In other words, they have offers from some top-tier schools. If you don't have anything objective to go off of (like hardline stats from a combine event), you go with the subjective opinions of recruiters.

You can only really rank a recruit based on:

1. Athleticism (from a combine-like event)
2. Performance (his highschool career)
3. Opinion (from fellow nerd analysts and college coaches, usually based on film and visits to games)

[snp]

Those who say that recruiting services add stars after a kid commits there are speaking some truth. A QB that notre dame recruited this year was a 4-star on Rivals, committed to ND, and Rivals made him a 5-star guy a week later.

Crist was a 4-star prospect as a junior and had to decide between ND, USC, and LSU. That sounds like a great offer list to me. Not to mention that this is a pretty weak QB class this year.

[fadada1]

Those who say that recruiting services add stars after a kid commits there are speaking some truth. A QB that notre dame recruited this year was a 4-star on Rivals, committed to ND, and Rivals made him a 5-star guy a week later.
that's inakurit!!!!

;)

[tommieharris91]

Crist was a 4-star prospect as a junior and had to decide between ND, USC, and LSU. That sounds like a great offer list to me. Not to mention that this is a pretty weak QB class this year.

But was the jump really warranted by the talent the recruting services saw in Dayne Crist? ND, USC, and LSU would still offer him whether he was a 4* or 5*. You have also said that it is a weak overall class for QBs. Does the fact that he is very good at a weak position merit him earning an extra star?

BTW, I haven't seen video on the kid, or any other recruits for that matter.

[DarrellZero]

Tony Cade (http://www.oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8369) DB http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif 6-2 200 4.43 - Lewisville, TX

Good times, good times.

[Curly Bill]

David King, who is a verbal to OU, is a good example of a kid jumping after giving us a verbal. He started out fairly low (2 or 3 stars) partly because he was hurt part of the time last year. What is he now: yep, he's got himself 4 stars. No doubt part of that is that he's healthy and playing well this year, but how much is it the fact that OU wants him and if OU wants him then he must be really good?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

OK threadlockers, this one is plenty distasteful, on the grounds that it discusses notre dame, in a year when we should be playing them, and yet, have no chance to. Bury this puppy, and let's move on.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

No body drops 2-3 stars.

Coaches don't give a flying flip what the recruiting services rank kids. They'd prefer they stay under the radar so no body else hops on. They aren't calling up Scout or Rivals and giving detailed analysis of these guys.

i hate to break it to you, but coaches use recruiting services a heck of a lot more than you think. most will admit that they use them to get names, as is the case with venables getting rufus alexander's name from jeremy crabtree very late in the game. this, of course, doesn't prove that they use the stars, but with the way they tout them when they talk about their class, you would think it has at least a little sway. if bob stoops landed a recruiting class of all 3 stars, he'd be crucified by our fanbase.

i was doing a statistical project on the rankings vs. how they panned out before i got bored with it. in general, except for QB, if a guy was in the top 3 he had a pretty good chance of panning out (something like 40%). if he was considered to have 'freakish ability' at his position there was a crazy good chance he would pan out and get drafted (think peterson, bush, tommie harris, etc). WR was the most accurate with DE and QB being the least. at QB, there was a better chance of a pan out from 5-10 than 1-4. ex. arm strength tended to help QBs, but it hurt them from panning out because they could sign for millions in baseball (joe mauer, tuiasosopo, etc).

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Crist was a 4-star prospect as a junior and had to decide between ND, USC, and LSU. That sounds like a great offer list to me. Not to mention that this is a pretty weak QB class this year.

The point isn't that Crist isn't a good QB, he may be. The point is that he "probably" doesn't get the bump IMO if he commits to LSU, Florida, OU, maybe even USC. The moment ND gets him though he is a 5-star. Do that with a number of 3-4 star guys and you have an overrated class, as shown by the performance 3-4 years later on the field.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

No body drops 2-3 stars.

They'll never be close to 100% but neither are college coaches. Recruiting for the most part is a guessing game.

Thats why those top 100s and top 150s are a lot of bs. If recruiting is a guessing game, those lists are guessing games.

As far as the stars, Jones has given more than one account of a player dropping more than 1 star because of a switch in the commitment.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

BTW I am a former employee of a draft service that realizes how much BS is involved in the process.

[snp]

i hate to break it to you, but coaches use recruiting services a heck of a lot more than you think. most will admit that they use them to get names, as is the case with venables getting rufus alexander's name from jeremy crabtree very late in the game. this, of course, doesn't prove that they use the stars, but with the way they tout them when they talk about their class, you would think it has at least a little sway. if bob stoops landed a recruiting class of all 3 stars, he'd be crucified by our fanbase.

I didn't say they don't use them, I said they don't care about their rankings. I know for a fact that Hale and Rivals give those guys free logins and that if they get bored, they'll go through some of the recruiting highlights.


But was the jump really warranted by the talent the recruting services saw in Dayne Crist? ND, USC, and LSU would still offer him whether he was a 4* or 5*. You have also said that it is a weak overall class for QBs. Does the fact that he is very good at a weak position merit him earning an extra star?

BTW, I haven't seen video on the kid, or any other recruits for that matter.


The point isn't that Crist isn't a good QB, he may be. The point is that he "probably" doesn't get the bump IMO if he commits to LSU, Florida, OU, maybe even USC. The moment ND gets him though he is a 5-star. Do that with a number of 3-4 star guys and you have an overrated class, as shown by the performance 3-4 years later on the field.

Not this case, you guys missed the point where he was ranked a 4-star as a junior. More film, more combine, more reports poured in and he got the final bump.

I'm not denying certain kids get their ranking bumped up because whoever they pledge to. Lemming has admitted that he greatly overrated last year's ND class and other classes before. It's part of their business model.

Farrell, Boston College and the main North Eastern Rivals guy, is guilty of this as well.

[OklahomaTuba]

Hell, if i were a coach, i'd use the services like no ones business.

If recruiting class ranking are the only thing keeping Weis employed after only winning 1 game at ND, why not??

[r5TPsooner]

Weis is the most overrated coach in history.

Hell, the Patriots got BETTER when he left!!

If they fired Ty Willingham after his third year for having only 6 wins, and they don't fire Weiss for maybe only having 1-2 wins in his third year, then something is really, really wrong with ND.


I think its called racism.

[Leroy Lizard]

I don't think it's racism. They wouldn't have hired Ty in the first place.

More likely, they probably feel that firing Weis right now would create a perpetual cycle of hiring and firing coaches. You simply cannot keep trying one coach after another. Also, Weis is a Notre Dame man, just like Boo Blake was a Sooner. We gave Howie one year, but four years for Blake, despite the fact that Howie was probably the better coach. You want to give your own more chances than outsiders.

They will give Weis another year, then unload him if things don't improve.