Ex-cop releases 'Never Get Busted Again' video

[KC//CRIMSON]

Former Texas agent teaches how to hide, stash, and fool drug officers.

TYLER, Texas - A one-time Texas drug agent described by his former boss as perhaps the best narcotics officer in the country plans to market a how-to video on concealing drugs and fooling police.

Barry Cooper, who has worked for small police departments in East Texas, plans to launch a Web site next week where he will sell his video, “Never Get Busted Again,” the Tyler Morning Telegraph reported in its online edition Thursday.

A promotional video says Cooper will show viewers how to “conceal their stash,” “avoid narcotics profiling” and “fool canines every time.”

Cooper, who said he favors the legalization of marijuana, made the video in part because he believes the nation’s fight against drugs is a waste of resources. Busting marijuana users fills up prisons with nonviolent offenders, he said.

“My main motivation in all of this is to teach Americans their civil liberties and what drives me in this is injustice and unfairness in our system,” Cooper told the newspaper.

As a drug officer, Cooper said, he made more than 800 drug arrests and seized more than 50 vehicles and $500,000 in cash and assets.

“He was even better than he says he was,” said Tom Finley, Cooper’s former boss on a West Texas drug task force and now a private investigator in Midland. “He was probably the best narcotics officer in the state and maybe the country during his time with the task force.”

News of the video has angered authorities, including Richard Sanders, an agent with the Tyler Drug Enforcement Agency. Sanders said he plans to investigate whether the video violates any laws.

“It outrages me personally as I’m sure it does any officer that has sworn an oath to uphold the laws of this state, and nation,” Sanders said. “It is clear that his whole deal is to make money and he has found some sort of scheme, but for him to go to the dark side and do this is infuriating.”

Smith County Deputy Constable Mark Waters, a narcotics officer, said the video is insulting to law enforcement officials.

“This is a slap in the face to all that we do to uphold the laws and keep the public safe,” he said.

© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Heard a long radio interview with this guy who is actually pretty bright and a lot of what he had to say makes some sense. Check out his website.

http://www.nevergetbusted.com/index.php

[XingTheRubicon]

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[KC//CRIMSON]

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That's some weak THC.

[sanantoniosooner]

I wish he would toss us non-violent speeders a bone.

[Jerk]

Fool drug dogs...
I'd like to see how he does that. OKCPD did an experiment where they put dope in a sealed container, put it in a car's gasoline tank, and filled it full of gas. The drug dog still hit on it.

I would like to do one run to Mexico with my pnuematic truck. I can haul 26 tons of 'powder' (or any other bulk material). 1 run. Just 1 run and I can retire.

We got a calculator out and figured that one tanker full of 26 tons coke would pay 1.4 trillion dollars. Fkn drug dog would croak deader than shet. heh.

[MamaMia]

This is right up Olevets alley. :P

[sooner_born_1960]

This is right up Olevets alley. :P
Technical consultant?

[MamaMia]

Technical consultant?That would be good. :)

[olevetonahill]

This is right up Olevets alley. :P
Where was this Vid Months ago ?:mad:

[TUSooner]

Where was this Vid Months ago ?:mad:
Hey! You made bail, didn't ya ? :rolleyes:

[Earickson]

Personally, I get enraged when I hear people equate putting away drug users with "Keeping the Public Safe", and they really mean this. Some folks won't be happy until the entire country is in jail.

[Jerk]

Personally, I get enraged when I hear people equate putting away drug users with "Keeping the Public Safe", and they really mean this. Some folks won't be happy until the entire country is in jail.

I think the 'war on drugs' is the biggest waste of resources and money in our country's history...and this is coming from a Republican right-wing nut-case.

[olevetonahill]

Hey! You made bail, didn't ya ? :rolleyes:
Yup ;)

[goingoneight]

That sounds like a video I made in high school... yeah... we kinda got in trouble for that one. :D

[StoopTroup]

There have been many folks who thought they could do what this guy says he can teach you to do....

The trouble really starts when you start partaking in the goods your selling...

[SCOUT]

Personally, I get enraged when I hear people equate putting away drug users with "Keeping the Public Safe", and they really mean this. Some folks won't be happy until the entire country is in jail.
Good point. It is a good thing that there isn't any link between drug use and crime. That would suck.

[Earickson]

Good point. It is a good thing that there isn't any link between drug use and crime. That would suck.
I know you're being sarcastic, and I agree with you to a certain extent. I left this one hanging on purpose because I wanted to start a good discussion

There is a link between drug use and crime, but I think that due to the aggressive propaganda of this "War On Drugs", we forget that plenty of crimes take place independently of drugs. My point is this. Crime doesn't need a link to anything, it will happen anyway.

Lemme give you an example. A driver of a car gets in a car wreck with another vehicle, killing everyone inside that car. Later on it is discovered that the driver of the car causing the wreck was drunk, (over the legal limit of alcohol in that state).

This person has committed a horrible crime, and it is seen as being unforgiveable by society and the justice system. Most states have harsher punishment for causing damage and/or killing or hurting people while driving drunk.

Same situation now, but ..... the driver was completely sober. The driver makes a tearful apology, and claims it was just an accident. Hey, we all have accidents, we're human.

Society doesn't judge quite so harshly, and neither does the justice system for that matter. That person will be prosecuted for their crime, but differently. Why? Still a crime, isn't it? What if the driver was under the legal limit, but just barely?

There is the assumption that the drunk driver had a malicious intent inside their little brain. They wanted to kill someone, or at least put themselves in the situation to kill someone, otherwise why would they get behind the wheel after having drank alcohol. This assumption is not made when the driver is sober. I have to ask why. Maybe the sober driver is the kind of person that drives like a maniac and has complete disregard for the safety of others. Sounds like the same kind of person as the drunk driver. Essentially, this person is endangering others without alcohol causing any impairment of motor skills or mental judgment, they are able to do that on their own, without being inebriated.

Hard street drugs and crime are linked in a similar way, but not exactly. Lots of murders, robberies, rapes, kidnappings, etc. happen because drugs are involved, but lots of those same kinds of crimes happen without drugs being involved either.

If we took drugs out of the equation, it's possible the same people who committed these drug related crimes would have committed those crimes anyway. Maybe they would find another reason, or maybe they don't need a reason. Some people just do stuff.:confused:

While I don't completely disagree with the goal of the "War On Drugs", I'm one of those people that makes everything hopelessly difficult because I always have to ask, "Why? Why? Why?"

I admit it, I am annoying, (and I do the world a favor by staying in my room and writing most of the time), but I also feel the world benefits from people like me, and our persistent questioning of the reasons we do what we do in society.

This ex-cop obviously has some questions in him about what he did, what others are doing, and I guess this is his way of asking those questions.

[limey_sooner]

FBI statistics last year showed there were more people put in prison for possession of marijuana (not dealing) than for all violent crimes combined. There has to be a better way.

[Rogue]

I'm prolly one of the more liberal posters on here and I agree with Jerk and Olevet pretty often. Usually about drugs and guns. Strange.

And, yeah, SAS is gettin' some spek for the remark about us nonviolent speeders. After my rant in the spring about Virginia they've gone totally fascist about speeding up there.

[KC//CRIMSON]

FBI statistics last year showed there were more people put in prison for possession of marijuana (not dealing) than for all violent crimes combined. There has to be a better way.

And this is exactly what Mr. Cooper is talking about. They are putting an enormous amount of people in prison who have committed no crime against a person or property. Not to mention the several thousands of dollars per person each day that it cost to keep someone incarcerated. If we kicked out all of the nonviolent drug related prisoners, it would free up 55% of prison space in the US. Insane.

[usmc-sooner]

And this is exactly what Mr. Cooper is talking about. They are putting an enormous amount of people in prison who have committed no crime against a person or property. Not to mention the several thousands of dollars per person each day that it cost to keep someone incarcerated. If we kicked out all of the nonviolent drug related prisoners, it would free up 55% of prison space in the US. Insane.

the whole drug trade, is the source of more violence, than any other industry. Just because Joe Blow didn't kill anyone when he bought his little dime bag doesn't mean there wasn't a lot of violence to get it to that point.


PS
Pride fighters suck:D

[KC//CRIMSON]

doesn't mean there wasn't a lot of violence to get it to that point.


Joe Blow isn't being incarcerated for that. He's being put away because he wanted to smoke a plant. Again, non-violent offender.

[usmc-sooner]

Joe Blow is being incarcerated for that. He's being put away because he wanted to smoke a plant. Again, non-violent offender.

he supported a violent illegal industry, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. It's like a guy who distributes kiddie porn but doesn't actually participate in the molestation of a child. He's non violent but contributing to the process. Don't do something illegal and dumb and then whine about being locked up for it.
If you want to be a doper be aware it's a risk you take. More lives have been devastated by illegal narcotic traffic than any other thing I can think of.

[usmc-sooner]

Joe Blow isn't being incarcerated for that. He's being put away because he wanted to smoke a plant. Again, non-violent offender.

the Enron guy isn't(thanks) a non violent offender, should we let him go? What about the guy who steals your car when you are gone? that was non violent. A crime is a crime.

[KC//CRIMSON]

More lives have been devastated by illegal narcotic traffic than any other thing I can think of.

We're just talking about marijuana, not other narcotics. And for the record, more lives have been destroyed by alcohol than anything else. Yet, it's legal. Go figure.

[KC//CRIMSON]

the Enron guy isn't(thanks) a non violent offender, should we let him go? What about the guy who steals your car when you are gone? that was non violent. A crime is a crime.

No. Those are crimes that fall under crimes against a person or property. Marijuana smokers do not fall under this catagory.

[usmc-sooner]

We're just talking about marijuana, not other narcotics. And for the record, more lives have been destroyed by alcohol than anything else. Yet, it's legal. Go figure.

People aint killing each other trying to smuggle Corona over the boarder. People aint made into slave laborers in Columbia over beer.
I agree alcohol is more dangerous than weed but the weed industry, is a violent industry.

[KC//CRIMSON]

I agree alcohol is more dangerous than weed but the weed industry, is a violent industry.

So is the diamond industry, but people still wear them.

[usmc-sooner]

So is the diamond industry, but people still wear them.
it's not illegal to have a diamond, it is illegal to have marijuana. Pretty simple.

[usmc-sooner]

No. Those are crimes that fall under crimes against a person or property. Marijuana smokers do not fall under this catagory.

yes they most certainly do. They actually fall under contributing to the violent crimes of drug trafficking.

[royalfan5]

If drugs were legal, wouldn't Wal-Mart's ruthless efficiency put most the drug traffickers out of business?

[usmc-sooner]

and just to add I don't think anyone in America is doing 20 years, hard time, lock down for getting busted with a joint or even a dime bag. Where I come from they don't even get a year in county, if the cop even busts them for that. The law is under a certain amount it's a misdemeanor. So don't try to act like their's a bunch of innocent teenage skater border pothead being unjustly persecuted.

[KC//CRIMSON]

yes they most certainly do. They actually fall under contributing to the violent crimes of drug trafficking.

No, they do not. Your trying to adding something to the equation that's irrelevent. They have committed no crime against a person or property.

[KC//CRIMSON]

10 Million Americans Busted for Pot: Enough is Enough

By Paul Armentano, AlterNet. Posted October 1, 2007.

Since 1990, over 10.4 million Americans have been busted for pot. When will we recognize it's time to stand up to the war on harmless pot smoking?

The War on Pot: America's $42 Billion Annual Boondoggle

What would cops do without weed? For one thing, they'd sure spend a lot less time arresting and processing petty pot violators. How much time? For starters, however long it took to bust the estimated 739,000 Americans arrested for minor pot possession in 2006.

That's according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, which reported last week that a record 829,625 Americans were arrested for violating marijuana laws last year. Of those arrested, 89 percent of those were charged with simple pot possession -- the highest annual total ever recorded and nearly three times the number of citizens busted 15 years ago.

Yet to hear local law enforcement spin it, busting small-time potheads isn't their priority. The record number of busts, they claim, is simply a reflection that record numbers of Americans are now smoking pot.

But don't tell Drug Czar John Walters that. After all, the czar just claimed earlier this month -- at a press conference announcing the release of the federal Office of Applied Studies (OAS) 2006 National Survey on Drug Use and Health -- that pot use has been declining for the better part of the past five years.

Predictably, both the cops and the drug czar are playing fast and loose with the facts. Yes, in fact more Americans are now admittedly consuming pot today than in 1991 (so much for the past 15 years of the so-called "war on drugs"), but this increase is hardly proportional to the dramatic spike in overall pot arrests.

As for Walter's comments, while the survey did indeed report a minor decline in adolescents' self-reported use of pot, it further reported a minor uptick in the total number of Americans who report using marijuana regularly, from 14.6 million in 2005 to 14.8 million in 2006.

Of course, a less than 2 percent increase in pot users from '05 to '06 doesn't explain why pot arrests jumped more than five percent from a then-record 786,545 to today's total. Or why the overall number of annual pot arrests has gone up every consecutive year but two for the past 16 years.

Perhaps the explanation is two-fold. It's plausible that the federal government is -- and always has -- greatly underestimated the number of Americans who use pot. (Does anyone really believe that cops are busting -- on average -- five percent of all pot smokers each year?) It's also plausible that an outgrowth of the ever-growing number of cops on the street (and citizens' increasing number of interactions with them) is inevitably leading to more and more pot arrests. However, regardless of the explanation, it seems remiss for police and politicians not to acknowledge this growing trend and its burdensome fiscal and perhaps even cultural implications.

The bottom line: Since 1990 over 10.4 million Americans -- predominantly young people under age 30 -- have been busted for pot. Thousands have been disenfranchised, tens of thousands have been unnecessarily sent to "drug treatment," hundreds of thousands have lost their eligibility for student aid, and perhaps an entire generation (or two) has been alienated to believe that the police are an instrument of their oppression rather than their protection. These are the tangible results of the government's stepped up war on pot -- results that go beyond the FBI's record numbers, and it's high time that politicians and the general public began taking notice.

[usmc-sooner]

the only people in prison for marijuana is people who have huge amounts. Like I said the law states that under certain amounts it's only a misdemeanor. No one is in prison for a joint or a bag of weed.

[usmc-sooner]

No, they do not. Your trying to adding something to the equation that's irrelevent. They have committed no crime against a person or property.

yes they have. They have been involved in the illegal trafficking of drugs, no matter how innocent you try to portray them. It's not hard to understand. People get killed over the smuggling of drugs into this country or the illegal growing farms, they then cut it up and distribute it to the dealers and they sell it smaller dealers who sell it to the "innocent" people you describe. Plus you can't list one person doing time over just a little marijuana.

[usmc-sooner]

10 Million Americans Busted for Pot: Enough is Enough

By Paul Armentano, AlterNet. Posted October 1, 2007.

Since 1990, over 10.4 million Americans have been busted for pot. When will we recognize it's time to stand up to the war on harmless pot smoking?

The War on Pot: America's $42 Billion Annual Boondoggle

What would cops do without weed? For one thing, they'd sure spend a lot less time arresting and processing petty pot violators. How much time? For starters, however long it took to bust the estimated 739,000 Americans arrested for minor pot possession in 2006.

That's according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, which reported last week that a record 829,625 Americans were arrested for violating marijuana laws last year. Of those arrested, 89 percent of those were charged with simple pot possession -- the highest annual total ever recorded and nearly three times the number of citizens busted 15 years ago.

Yet to hear local law enforcement spin it, busting small-time potheads isn't their priority. The record number of busts, they claim, is simply a reflection that record numbers of Americans are now smoking pot.

But don't tell Drug Czar John Walters that. After all, the czar just claimed earlier this month -- at a press conference announcing the release of the federal Office of Applied Studies (OAS) 2006 National Survey on Drug Use and Health -- that pot use has been declining for the better part of the past five years.

Predictably, both the cops and the drug czar are playing fast and loose with the facts. Yes, in fact more Americans are now admittedly consuming pot today than in 1991 (so much for the past 15 years of the so-called "war on drugs"), but this increase is hardly proportional to the dramatic spike in overall pot arrests.

As for Walter's comments, while the survey did indeed report a minor decline in adolescents' self-reported use of pot, it further reported a minor uptick in the total number of Americans who report using marijuana regularly, from 14.6 million in 2005 to 14.8 million in 2006.

Of course, a less than 2 percent increase in pot users from '05 to '06 doesn't explain why pot arrests jumped more than five percent from a then-record 786,545 to today's total. Or why the overall number of annual pot arrests has gone up every consecutive year but two for the past 16 years.

Perhaps the explanation is two-fold. It's plausible that the federal government is -- and always has -- greatly underestimated the number of Americans who use pot. (Does anyone really believe that cops are busting -- on average -- five percent of all pot smokers each year?) It's also plausible that an outgrowth of the ever-growing number of cops on the street (and citizens' increasing number of interactions with them) is inevitably leading to more and more pot arrests. However, regardless of the explanation, it seems remiss for police and politicians not to acknowledge this growing trend and its burdensome fiscal and perhaps even cultural implications.

The bottom line: Since 1990 over 10.4 million Americans -- predominantly young people under age 30 -- have been busted for pot. Thousands have been disenfranchised, tens of thousands have been unnecessarily sent to "drug treatment," hundreds of thousands have lost their eligibility for student aid, and perhaps an entire generation (or two) has been alienated to believe that the police are an instrument of their oppression rather than their protection. These are the tangible results of the government's stepped up war on pot -- results that go beyond the FBI's record numbers, and it's high time that politicians and the general public began taking notice.

under 30 and over 18 you're legally an adult and old enough to know it's against the law, if you're stupid enough to participate in this industry, then don't cry if you get busted and punished for your crime.

[KC//CRIMSON]

yes they have. They have been involved in the illegal trafficking of drugs, no matter how innocent you try to portray them. It's not hard to understand. People get killed over the smuggling of drugs into this country or the illegal growing farms, they then cut it up and distribute it to the dealers and they sell it smaller dealers who sell it to the "innocent" people you describe. Plus you can't list one person doing time over just a little marijuana.

Are you on dope yourself? You go from talking about Joe Blow to a full on Scarface operation. How is Joe Blow buying pot a crime against a person or property? You know why you can't say? Because there isn't one. It's not hard to understand, right? Yes, there are people doing time for small amounts of marijuana, and no I'm not going to look it up to prove it to you. You can "Google" just as well as I can.

BBSNews - 2003-02-07 -- The fact that annually at least 50,000 Americans have had years of their lives taken away for merely possessing marijuana is quite appalling – a plant that at least one third of all Americans have at one time used. 2.4% of the total inmate population is for marijuan possession.

Since 1985, an average of about 50% high school seniors have consistently reported marijuana use. Fully half of the entire preceding American generation has used marijuana. Does the ONDCP label half of "America's future" criminals simply because they have consumed marijuana?

Doing hard time is no laughing matter. It destroys lives. It exposes you to aggressive, violent criminals, abuse, diseases, and leaves you permanently changed.

Incarceration is completely ineffective in controlling drug use. Drugs are more available as well as more appealing inside of prison. In fact, a marijuana using prisoner will likely turn to a harder drug because the drug test for marijuana use is much harder to beat. Even former ONDCP head Barry McCaffrey has said that we cannot incarcerate ourselves out of the drug problem in America.

It costs three to four times as much to house a prisoner as it does to enroll them into a treatment program. The RAND Corporation has found that drug treatment is much more effective and far less costly than longer sentences or conventional enforcement.

Mr. Burns neglects to mention that there are well over 720,000 marijuana arrests per year. Of these, the vast majority (88%) are for possession alone.

Not only are there a very high number of marijuana arrests, it is quite evident that law enforcement officers will specifically target marijuana users over crack users because pot smokers are much more passive and far less likely to be carrying a weapon.

Being arrested is no small thing. You are handcuffed, taken into custody, fingerprinted, mug shots taken, held until you can post bail, and pretty well guaranteed to receive a criminal record, jail time or not.

There have been over ten million arrests for marijuana possession since 1970.

Roughly 600,000 Canadians have a criminal record for marijuana possession. For Americans it may well be ten times that figure.

Besides the personal, professional and family disgrace, a criminal record alone can put a permanent damper on your already limited freedom. This includes restrictions on the jobs you can work at, qualifying for subsidized housing, student loans, public benefits and travel.

Even a minor marijuana misdemeanor on your record can come back to haunt you years later, causing embarassing and aggravating situations when crossing the border.

Due to "Zero Tolerance" polices in schools, a marijuana conviction will most likely result in a year’s suspension and a criminal record for most of their life. Many of those who receive such a suspension never end up going back to school. Policies like these have driven drug use further underground so that students are afraid to ask for help if they need it.

Aside from the personal costs and loss of freedom, taxpayers pay a high price as well. It has been estimated that the U.S. spends over $14 billion dollars per year on marijuana prohibition alone.

The American prison industry is truly massive, and shows no signs of slowing. Former Oklahoma State Reformatory Warden Jack Cowley put it quite well when he said, "The war on drugs is a miserable failure because it has not stopped drug use in this country. It’s a great success [for prisons] because it’s the best economic boom we’ve ever seen."

Interestingly enough, a recent study in the UK has shown that marijuana smokers actually make a significant financial contribution to the British economy – about 11£ billion in snack food and home entertainment alone. If marijuana was legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol, rather than spending $14 billion per year fighting marijuana, the US government could be earning just as much, if not more in taxes.:D

[boomersooner28]

But, if marijuana was legal and we let all the marijuana users and dealers out of jail....in a couple of years, all of those people would be addicted to crack, meth, and heroin. Then we have major issues.

[sanantoniosooner]

If everything was legal we wouldn't need law enforcement or a court system.

[KC//CRIMSON]

But, if marijuana was legal and we let all the marijuana users and dealers out of jail....in a couple of years, all of those people would be addicted to crack, meth, and heroin. Then we have major issues.

Disagree.

"Incarceration is completely ineffective in controlling drug use. Drugs are more available as well as more appealing inside of prison. In fact, a marijuana using prisoner will likely turn to a harder drug because the drug test for marijuana use is much harder to beat. Even former ONDCP head Barry McCaffrey has said that we cannot incarcerate ourselves out of the drug problem in America."-BBS NEWS

[sitzpinkler]

it's not illegal to have a diamond, it is illegal to have marijuana. Pretty simple.

you're arguing against yourself here

first you imply that marijuana should remain illegal because it supports a violent industry, then when it is pointed out that buying diamonds supports a violent industry your response is that diamonds aren't illegal??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[sitzpinkler]

But, if marijuana was legal and we let all the marijuana users and dealers out of jail....in a couple of years, all of those people would be addicted to crack, meth, and heroin. Then we have major issues.

sarcasm, right?

[boomersooner28]

Anybody know where I can score some dope?


:pop:

[usmc-sooner]

you're arguing against yourself here

first you imply that marijuana should remain illegal because it supports a violent industry, then when it is pointed out that buying diamonds supports a violent industry your response is that diamonds aren't illegal??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

no I'm not just about every big money industry supports some sort of violent or cut throat behavior. It is illegal to posses pot hence you get arrested, it is not illegal to to have a diamond, hence you don't get arrested.
If you're buying pot you are supporting illegal drug trafficking period. By you guys logic, drinking and driving would only be a crime if you hurt someone or destroyed property.
You guys keep saying I can't name anything, well I can. There have been Marines and Soldiers killed because some "bull**** innocent" guy wants to buy an innocent bag of marijuana. The last Marines to lose their life was on the Mexican border between 3 or 4 years ago.

OK guys you say I can't name anyone. Give me the name of just one guy, who is sitting in the pen, for that one joint or small bag of weed. You can't. Cause it isn't true. Three pages and you can't come up with one case. Why? The reason is the law defines small personal use amounts as misdemeanors and large amounts distribution amounts as felonies. Argue all you want send me all those stupid speks, but the fact remains you know I'm right.

[KC//CRIMSON]

OK guys you say I can't name anyone. Give me the name of just one guy, who is sitting in the pen, for that one joint or small bag of weed. You can't. Cause it isn't true. Three pages and you can't come up with one case. Why? The reason is the law defines small personal use amounts as misdemeanors and large amounts distribution amounts as felonies. Argue all you want send me all those stupid speks, but the fact remains you know I'm right..


Since we have to do your homework for you.....


The drug war reached the pinnacle of cruelty when Mitchell Lawrence, an 18-year-old Berkshire County teen, was sentenced to two years in jail for the sale of one joint worth of marijuana -- about a teaspoon.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/431/guesteditorial.shtml



Most of them are marijuana growers and marijuana dealers, although there are instances of people being put away for remarkably small amounts of marijuana. I've come across more than one case of people getting life without parole for a joint or for less than a joint.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/interviews/schlosser.html


yep, you were right.

[soonerloyal]

I don't give a crap who smokes what. I do give a crap that, regardless of reason, a farking LEO is breaking a code of honor and commitment. Stupid SOB isn't happy with the laws? Work to change them, dumbazz. Don't make things worse in the trenches for your former brothers on the line.

Common sense...isn't.

[rufnek05]

Pass.

[usmc-sooner]

Since we have to do your homework for you.....



http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/431/guesteditorial.shtml




http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/interviews/schlosser.html


yep, you were right.

you failed to mention what pen Mitchell Lawrence is doing his 20 years of hard time at. Is it 20 years in SQ, Folsom? If so I'll be the first to say it is wrong. If he got 6 months in County, then he got what he deserved. Also says he was 18 how was the person he sold it to?

[KC//CRIMSON]

you failed to mention what pen Mitchell Lawrence is doing his 20 years of hard time at. Is it 20 years in SQ, Folsom? If so I'll be the first to say it is wrong. If he got 6 months in County, then he got what he deserved. Also says he was 18 how was the person he sold it to?

Now you want me to read the links for you? Dude, please.

[sanantoniosooner]

I don't even like smokers. Why would I care about potheads?

[usmc-sooner]

Now you want me to read the links for you? Dude, please.

one of them was a guest editorial and one was a pro-marijuana site. Guess what it's illegal and a crime. You provide the pen and 20 years hard time and I'll write my congressman for this kid. I'd think you'd want to put it out there and in my face. Oh crap edit, I see where he was selling joints in a drug free school zone. You know what dumb *** Mitchell you go to directly to jail where you need to be. Also in state pen you can do 3 and for 1 day, they guy probably didn't do 9 months. Again he got what he deserved.

One of those articles was so stupid, it said murderers were getting lighter sentences. If you believe that, let's meet up, you kill someone and I'll walk into a police station smoking a joint. We'll see who get's a bigger sentence? I'm confident I'll win this bet.

[sitzpinkler]

no I'm not just about every big money industry supports some sort of violent or cut throat behavior. It is illegal to posses pot hence you get arrested, it is not illegal to to have a diamond, hence you don't get arrested.
If you're buying pot you are supporting illegal drug trafficking period. By you guys logic, drinking and driving would only be a crime if you hurt someone or destroyed property.
You guys keep saying I can't name anything, well I can. There have been Marines and Soldiers killed because some "bull**** innocent" guy wants to buy an innocent bag of marijuana. The last Marines to lose their life was on the Mexican border between 3 or 4 years ago.

OK guys you say I can't name anyone. Give me the name of just one guy, who is sitting in the pen, for that one joint or small bag of weed. You can't. Cause it isn't true. Three pages and you can't come up with one case. Why? The reason is the law defines small personal use amounts as misdemeanors and large amounts distribution amounts as felonies. Argue all you want send me all those stupid speks, but the fact remains you know I'm right.

you completely missed the point I was making

you turn a blind eye to the fact that the diamond industry has a lot of blood on its hands simply because it is already legal, yet you're demonizing pot smokers, pretty hypocritical

I'd like to see some kind of article that states those marines died because of pot smuggling and not some other kind of drug smuggling

besides, if pot was legal, most potheads would be growing their own and the ones who didn't would be buying it from the ones who did, which makes your point moot

[usmc-sooner]

you completely missed the point I was making

you turn a blind eye to the fact that the diamond industry has a lot of blood on its hands simply because it is already legal, yet you're demonizing pot smokers, pretty hypocritical

I'd like to see some kind of article that states those marines died because of pot smuggling and not some other kind of drug smuggling

besides, if pot was legal, most potheads would be growing their own and the ones who didn't would be buying it from the ones who did, which makes your point moot

not demonizing them, I'm saying it's illegal, and they should be punished. There isn't any industry where big money exchanged where there isn't shady, and unscrupulous behavior behind the scenes. Oh those Marines who you felt weren't up to your standards died in patrolling the U.S. Mexican border on a helicopter crash patrolling illegal shipments of marijuana into the U.S.

[sitzpinkler]

not demonizing them, I'm saying it's illegal, and they should be punished. There isn't any industry where big money exchanged where there isn't shady, and unscrupulous behavior behind the scenes. Oh those Marines who you felt weren't up to your standards died in patrolling the U.S. Mexican border on a helicopter crash patrolling illegal shipments of marijuana into the U.S.

unless you can provide a link, I'm going to assume it was more than just pot they were patrolling for

you're not making any good arguments as to why pot shouldn't be legalized, you've only managed to state that it is currently illegal and potheads are breaking the law......well, DUH!

[usmc-sooner]

unless you can provide a link, I'm going to assume it was more than just pot they were patrolling for

you're not making any good arguments as to why pot shouldn't be legalized, you've only managed to state that it is currently illegal and potheads are breaking the law......well, DUH!

This was a huge story about 3 years ago. Sorry I can't provide links for you. I do know several guys who I served with who are now in various forms of law enforcement that will tell you that these pot heads aren't any different than a lot of the meth heads, alcoholics and any other drug addicts out there. They call them the lazy **** roaches of society.

[sitzpinkler]

This was a huge story about 3 years ago. Sorry I can't provide links for you. I do know several guys who I served with who are now in various forms of law enforcement that will tell you that these pot heads aren't any different than a lot of the meth heads, alcoholics and any other drug addicts out there. They call them the lazy **** roaches of society.

Then I really doubt they or you know anybody who smokes pot. They are nothing like meth addicts. I've known plenty of successful pot smokers in my day. A **** ton, actually. I only know one who has turned out to be a "lazy cockroach of society" and I can assure you it has nothing to do with pot.

It's funny that you bring up alcoholics, because unless you're arguing that alcohol should be illegal then you're actually hurting your argument.

And I still believe those marines were patrolling for more than just pot.

[usmc-sooner]

And I still believe those marines were patrolling for more than just pot.

and I this point I got to ask you WTF does it matter. Pot is an illegal drug? Maybe they were patrolling for a few hits of acid, a shot of heroin and two joints of marijuana.

I've never seen you make one half way logical point on this board.

Another thing you don't know anything about how or where I grew up. Pot was very prevalent. I grew to despise the users and the sellers. Thank God my parents didn't raise some spineless kid who just goes along with whatever wind that blows.

Also you might want to capitalize the word Marine, to me it shows a dis- respect when you don't do this. You might want to point out my user name usmc-sooner. It was a password of mine along with some numbers that got cracked one time and they bitched me out for making it so easy. That's why I use it.

Lastly how old are you guys? You never make much sense, the other guy is a pro marijuana guy with a pride fighter fetish. I can see this at 16 but for the love of God, please tell me neither of you guys has reached your 30's.

[sitzpinkler]

and I this point I got to ask you WTF does it matter. Pot is an illegal drug? Maybe they were patrolling for a few hits of acid, a shot of heroin and two joints of marijuana.

I've never seen you make one half way logical point on this board.

Another thing you don't know anything about how or where I grew up. Pot was very prevalent. I grew to despise the users and the sellers. Thank God my parents didn't raise some spineless kid who just goes along with whatever wind that blows.

Also you might want to capitalize the word Marine, to me it shows a dis- respect when you don't do this. You might want to point out my user name usmc-sooner. It was a password of mine along with some numbers that got cracked one time and they bitched me out for making it so easy. That's why I use it.

Lastly how old are you guys? You never make much sense, the other guy is a pro marijuana guy with a pride fighter fetish. I can see this at 16 but for the love of God, please tell me neither of you guys has reached your 30's.

yeah, I'm in my 30s, what of it? you still have yet to make a logical argument against the legalization of marijuana, all you've done so far is show that you have a personal vendetta against pot smokers and that is no basis for law making

for you to say I've never made a logic point is one of the most laughable things I've ever read in my life, especially coming from you, one of the dumbest, most illogical posters I've read on this board, which is quite an accomplishment

hell, all you've done in this topic is argue against yourself and point out the obvious, which you did again in the post I'm quoting, let me help you a bit: WE ALL KNOW THAT POT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL AND THAT POTHEADS WILL BE PUNISHED FOR GETTING CAUGHT WITH IT, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT

we are arguing that it should be legal and have supported our arguments, you on the other hand, not so much

you've pointed out that marines have died patrolling the borders, which they would have been doing whether pot was illegal or not, you've compared potheads to alcoholics, which supports your argument in no way whatsoever since alcohol is LEGAL (let me help your immensly slow brain out with this one, using something legal as an example of why something should be illegal is nothing short of, well, stupid), you've compared potheads to meth addicts, which is nothing short of untrue and laughable and anyone who has smoked pot, currently smokes pot or knows a pot smoker will tell you the same thing

I don't need an english lesson from your dumb ***, I've served in the military myself, so don't get all self-important and think you have something over me, I don't give a **** if you take it as disrespect or not, it's not intended that way

it's funny that you say we don't make sense when it's you who are making all the mistakes in the arguments you're trying to make and have yet to make one valid point

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