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sanantoniosooner
10/10/2007, 11:11 PM
My son is in the emergency room again. That's 2 nights in a row.

It appears that he has pneumonia as well as his regular asthma problems.

I'm tired.

GottaHavePride
10/10/2007, 11:12 PM
I've been there, and that sucks, dude. I hope he gets better. What's he on to regulate the asthma?

sanantoniosooner
10/10/2007, 11:19 PM
Advair, Singulair, Flonase, Allegra D.

I just found out they are admitting him. Time to head up to the hospital.

GottaHavePride
10/10/2007, 11:26 PM
Dang - he is loaded up on the drugs. FWIW mine used to be really bad, but I mostly grew out of it. I haven't had asthma problems in years now - I just get all itchy and ****.

I hope he's doing ok.

tommieharris91
10/10/2007, 11:28 PM
Prayers to your son.

OCUDad
10/10/2007, 11:35 PM
Prayers to your son and his Dad. Being a Dad is tough, but worth it. I'm glad you're there for him - and so is he.

King Crimson
10/10/2007, 11:39 PM
good luck SAS.

MamaMia
10/11/2007, 12:26 AM
I know how it just breaks your heart to see your child struggling. There's hope though. My middle daughter had asthma, pneumonia, ear problems; the whole thing. She grew out of it, and at 16 became a lifeguard. Shes an EMT now. I was told that most kids do grow out of it. I'll pray that your child gets well real soon.

Widescreen
10/11/2007, 12:33 AM
Prayers, SAS.

Frozen Sooner
10/11/2007, 01:57 AM
Hope everything turns out OK.

HskrGrl
10/11/2007, 02:01 AM
Prayers coming his way, Sas. Keep us updated when you can. *bighug*

SoonerTerry
10/11/2007, 03:36 AM
Thoughts and prayers for your son SAS

Turd_Ferguson
10/11/2007, 04:23 AM
Prayer's sent yall's way. Keep us updated.

VeeJay
10/11/2007, 04:47 AM
Hope the little feller is doing much better this morning.

OUHOMER
10/11/2007, 05:02 AM
Sucks dude, prayers sent.

Newbomb Turk
10/11/2007, 06:42 AM
best wishes sas.

Hamhock
10/11/2007, 07:20 AM
there's nothing worse than seeing your kid sick.

1stTimeCaller
10/11/2007, 07:25 AM
God bless.

Boomer.....
10/11/2007, 07:27 AM
Hope everything gets better for him.

soonerloyal
10/11/2007, 07:29 AM
Our family has dealt with bad asthma, too. God bless y'all. I'll weigh in that yes, so many kids do "grow out of it". But it sure does stink until they do. I know it's hard to see them laboring to breathe, and they always look so small in those big hospital beds...

Prayers, absolutely, immediately and continuing.

And hey, don't you wear yourself out either. You can't help, hon, if you end up in a bed too.

crawfish
10/11/2007, 07:29 AM
Ugh. Been there. :(

Hope the little sucker gets well soon.

Mongo
10/11/2007, 08:02 AM
prayers sent SAS

any updates?

royalfan5
10/11/2007, 08:04 AM
best wishes to you son.

SoonerBOI
10/11/2007, 08:18 AM
Prayers to you and your son...

achiro
10/11/2007, 08:43 AM
I have had many kids with similar issues as patients in my office. Most respond well, most discontinue meds and breathing treatments because they are no longer needed. I know many like to give me crap around here but I'm telling you, many children with asthma respond beautifully to chiropractic care. When you get him through this crisis, I would recommend you at least take him in for an exam. Contact me if you'd like more info.
Prayers sent that he gets through this quickly.

OU4LIFE
10/11/2007, 09:44 AM
I was going to send cash, but since I don't have an address I guess prayers will have to do.

Keep us posted.

IB4OU2
10/11/2007, 09:56 AM
I was going to send cash, but since I don't have an address I guess prayers will have to do.

Keep us posted.

Good because you will need all that cash tonight.

SAS I hope this is just a phase for him. I have a niece with the same asthma problem and to this day (She's 26) she still goes to the ER for treatment. My prayers are on the way.

JohnnyMack
10/11/2007, 10:21 AM
I haven't had asthma problems in years now.

Is that right? Well in that case...

:les:GO MOW THE DAMN YARD!!!!!!

Howzit
10/11/2007, 10:28 AM
Sorry, SAS. Good thoughts for your family...

colleyvillesooner
10/11/2007, 10:39 AM
I grew out of it as well.

Prayers sent.

sanantoniosooner
10/11/2007, 10:48 AM
I just got home. They wanted to admit him last night, but didn't have a bed available until 6:45 this morning. I'm a little skeptical about that though. I think they just didn't get on the ball until the last minute. Turns out they had a "Dirty Bomb" simulation with 32 fake patients scheduled and moved him out just in time to miss it.

One Dr. says pneumonia, one say viral or bacterial. There is some x-ray evidence. But they didn't do a nose culture prior to administering antibiotics, so a culture at this point is useless. Of course, anything of the sort is a catalyst for his asthma kicking into high gear.

He's doing better. But he will still be in until tomorrow morning at the earliest. Possible longer.

TMcGee86
10/11/2007, 10:52 AM
Good to hear he's doing better.

prayers sent.

soonersweetie
10/11/2007, 01:15 PM
Glad to hear he's better. Prayers are being sent to you and your family. I know you and your family are putting all your efforts into taking care of that little one, but remember to take care of yourselves too. So remember that he's in good hands and that the meds will work and he will get better.

Give him a few extra hugs from all of his favorite Sooner fans :)

sanantoniosooner
10/12/2007, 10:06 PM
Came home today. He's doing much better. Thanks for your prayers and well wishing.

ChickSoonerFan
10/12/2007, 10:17 PM
Glad to hear he is home and better. Hope he stays this way.

BillyBall
10/12/2007, 10:18 PM
FWIW mine used to be really bad, but I mostly grew out of it. I haven't had asthma problems in years now - I just get all itchy and ****.

Ditto with me, I hope your son has the same fortune SAS. Asthma blows, no pun intended.

sanantoniosooner
10/12/2007, 10:21 PM
The bad thing is the asthma only flairs up when there is something else going on. Usually a viral infection, but it happened to be pneumonia this time. It's always two things, not just one.

BillyBall
10/12/2007, 10:30 PM
I know how much my asthma sucked and i have extreme empathy man.

OKC-SLC
10/13/2007, 12:43 AM
glad to hear he's doing better, SAS.

Mixer!
10/13/2007, 01:11 AM
Hope things are getting better for you SAS. Prayers & thoughts sent.

rufnek05
10/13/2007, 01:44 AM
mad respek

GottaHavePride
10/13/2007, 12:25 PM
SAS, if he's on that many different meds, does he have a fast-acting inhaler for emergencies? Advair is good for control, but if it flares up bad something like a pirbuterol inhaler can be really handy. Just a thought - his doc might have reasons for not using something like that.

85Sooner
10/13/2007, 12:46 PM
kEEP US UP TO DATE. God Bless you all.

achiro
10/13/2007, 01:47 PM
Here is a list of some research regarding chiro and asthma. Like anything else some of the research is more valid than others but you will notice the trend I refer to in my original post in this research.

An impairment rating analysis of asthmatic children under chiropractic care. Graham, RL and Pistolese RA. Journal of Vertebral Subluxation Research, Vol. 1, No. 4, 1997.
Eighty one children under chiropractic care took part in this self-reported asthma related impairment study. The children were assessed before and two months after chiropractic care using an asthma impairment questionnaire. Significantly lower impairment rating scores (improvement) were reported for 90.1% of subjects 60 days after chiropractic care in comparison to their pre-chiropractic scores. In addition, 30.9% of the children voluntarily decreased their dosage of medication by an average of 66.5% while under chiropractic care. Twenty four of the patients who reported asthma attacks 30-days prior to the study had significantly decreased attacks by an average of 44.9%. Six different chiropractic techniques were used by the different chiropractors who participated in this study.
2) Chiropractic response in the pediatric patient with asthma: a pilot study. Peet, JB. Marko SK, Piekarczyk W. Chiropractic Pediatrics Vol. 1, No. 4, May 1995, pp. 9-13.
From the abstract: This paper reviews the correlation between reducing/correcting vertebral subluxations in the asthmatic pediatric patient utilizing Chiropractic Biophysics Technique (CBP) and symptomology generally associated with this condition. A further objective will be to determine what areas of vertebral subluxation, if any, are commonly seen in this group. The children used for this study had never received any chiropractic care or manipulative care prior to participation in this study. Seven of the eight patients who completed the study were able to reduce/discontinue medication. All participants showed measurable improvement on radiographs, which correlated with an improvement in asthma symptoms in seven of the eight cases. This paper also includes an interesting discussion on the innervation of the lungs and its relationship to the vertebral subluxation complex.
3) Treatment protocols for the chiropractic care of common pediatric conditions: otitis media and asthma. Vallone S and Fallon JM Journal of Clinical Chiropractic Pediatrics Vol 2, No.1 1997. P. 113-115
This paper’s purpose presents the results of a survey of chiropractors enrolled in the first year of a three year postgraduate course in chiropractic pediatrics. The survey sought to establish if consensus existed with respect to the modalities these doctors used to treat two of the most common childhood disorders seen by chiropractors: otitis media and asthma. Thirty-three doctors of chiropractic participated in the survey. “Of the primary therapeutic modalities employed by the chiropractor, spinal adjusting was the most commonly used for both asthma and otitis media. Certain areas of the spine were addressed most frequently for each of the two conditions.
4) Chiropractic care in the treatment of asthma. Killinger LZ. Palmer Research Journal 1995; 2(3):74-7.
This is the case report of an 18 year old subject with a two year history of asthma and monitored for a five year period. The subject received Palmer Upper cervical Specific technique adjustments. The result was marked improvement in the subject’s health status. The greatest improvements were reported in the weeks following the chiropractic adjustments. This was an unusual case because trauma to the cervical vertebrae coincided with the occurrence of asthma and spinal care was directed to the traumatized segments.
5) Treatment of visceral disorders by manipulative therapy. Miller WD. In: Goldstein M, Ed. The Research Status of Spinal Manipulative Therapy. Bethesda: Dept. HEW. 1975:295-301.
Patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease were treated with osteopathic manipulation. 92% of the patients stated they were able to walk greater distances, had fewer colds, experienced less coughing, and had less dyspnea than before treatment. 95% of patients with bronchial asthma said they benefited from chiropractic care. Peak flow rate and vital capacity increased after the third treatment.
6) Specific upper cervical chiropractic care and lung function. Kessinger, R CRJ 1997; 27/ Mantis ID 38010
A study was conducted on 58 patients to determine whether the upper cervical knee chest adjustment, influenced pulmonary function. FEV-1 and FVC were measured before care and two weeks after care on a computerized auto-spiro spirometer. Analysis of the spirometry measurements revealed predictable statistically significant changes in FVC and FEV-1. Of the 58 patients, 57% of the subject population were considered to have "abnormal" lung function before care. The abnormal group showed the greatest increases in FVC and FEV-1 over the two-week study. Forty-two percent of the abnormal patient population actually tested within normal limits after the two-week study. The "normal" subject population also showed predictable increases in tendency to return to normal was clearly observed in just two weeks under specific chiropractic care.
7) Chiropractic adjustment in the management of visceral conditions: a critical appraisal. Jamison JR, McEwen AP, Thomas SJ. JMPT, 1992; 15:171-180.
In this a survey of chiropractors in Australia, more than 50% of the chiropractors stated that asthma responds to chiropractic adjustments; more than 25% felt that chiropractic adjustments could benefit patients with dysmenorrhea, indigestion, constipation, migraine and sinusitis.
9) A comparison of active and simulated chiropractic manipulation as adjunctive treatment for childhood asthma. NEJM1998; 339:1013-1020 Balon J, Aker PD, Crowther ER, et al.
10) Asthma in a chiropractic clinic: a pilot study. Jamison J et al J Aust Chiro Assoc., 16(4):137-143, 1986.
In this study of 15 patients under chiropractic care, six patients reduced their medications and one stopped them entirely. This represents a 46.67% decrease in the need for medication while under chiropractic care.All patients reported satisfaction with their chiropractic care. However the lead author, Dr. Jamison concluded that respiratory function appeared to be unaffected by chiropractic adjustments.
11) Prognostic factors in bronchial asthma in chiropractic practice. Nilssen N. Christiansen B. J Aust Chirop Assoc 1988;18:85-7.
In this study of 79 subjects, those most likely to report the best benefit had less severe asthma, were younger and responded within one month (and had an average of five adjustments in one month)
12) A holistic approach to the treatment of bronchial asthma in a chiropractic practice. Lines DA. Chiropractic J of Australia 1993;23(1):4-8.
Chiropractic care of two children and one adult (two-year-old, five-year-old and thirty-year old) with asthma. Thoracic adjusting was used in two cases and lumbar adjusting was used in two cases. The patients remained asthma free six months to two years at the writing of the paper.
The author’s remarks are well stated: “With counting evidence that current medical bronchodilator and inhaled steroid intervention may be contributing to the rising mortality, the conservative, holistic, chiropractic approach presented here may well provide (a)...more effective alternative intervention to present allopathic (medical) therapy....It appears that the currently accepted allopathic (medical) management regimes still remain consensus-based rather than having been founded on actual clinical trials.”

achiro
10/13/2007, 01:48 PM
Chiropractic Case Studies:
There are possibly millions of asthmatic children who are destined to a life dependent upon medication; these children may never have the chance to see if chiropractic spinal adjustments can help their asthma and provide them with a better quality of life. Peter Fysh, D.C. San Jose, California. Dynamic Chiropractic. Sept. 25, 1995. p.16.
1) Case study: eight year old female with chronic asthma. Peet JB. Chiropractic Pediatrics,1997; 3(2) 9-12.
The patient had been diagnosed with asthma three years prior to presentation. Beclovent™ and Albyterol ™ were used one to three times per day. After eight chiropractic adjustments over a period of 2 ½ weeks, the mother stated that the child had not used her inhaler for two days, her wheezing had ceased and she could run without gasping. At the time of the publication of this article, the child has been free of asthmatic attacks for four months without medication.
2) Asthma in the Pediatric Patient. Fysh, P. Dynamic Chiropractic Sept. 25, 1995. P. 16.
Case history of Benny, 3 years old who had suffered from bronchial asthma since infancy. On increasing doses of medication, attacks occurred several times a week. Subluxation a C1 and T3-4. Anterior saucering of the spine in the mid-scapular region first described by Pottinger in 1910. After one month of care Benny’s asthma resolved. According to the author, “Benny’s case is not an unusual one.”
3) Chronic asthma: The side-effects of the chiropractic adjustment. Arno Burnier, D.C. Chiropractic Pediatrics Vol. 1 No. 4 May 1995.
Case #1: J.P., 11-year-old male, Medical diagnosis: Chronic asthma . Medication: Theolair, Alupent Chiropractic results: Off asthma medication after first visit. Child is now a multidiscipline athlete with aspirations to become an Olympic athlete. Six years later, the child is still free of asthma and medication. Presenting Vertebral Subluxation: Occiput/C1 with an Atlas ASR. Original Adjustments: Structural manual adjustment of Atlas.
Case #2: F.H., 9 year old male. Medical diagnosis: Chronic asthma. Medication: Nasalcron Chiropractic result: Off his medication at onset of care. Clear of symptoms since first adjustment eight years prior. Presenting vertebral subluxation: CO/C1 with atlas ASRP. Original Adjustment: Atlas in lateral flexion and rotation supine.
4) Case history of asthmatic child. Matthews, NC. Et al. A four year old female patient reported to the office . International Chiropractic Pediatric Association Newsletter. July 1996.
“Since birth she had problems with her respiratory system...clinical diagnosis of asthma. She had shortness of breath, hard and labored breathing, inability to run from shortness of breath...had become reliant on antibiotics for constant respiratory infections...had taken lots of steroidal drugs. This ‘conventional’ drug therapy had not prevented her from spending every Christmas in the hospital on a breathing machine. “A complete chiropractic examination revealed vertebral subluxation of the atlas right, sixth cervical posterior, and right posterior sacrum. Specific chiropractic adjustment were given...patient responded to the care immediately and was able to suspend using the drugs within two weeks. Within two months, she was able to play with her friends with no symtomatology. Her 5th Christmas was the first at home in her life...I wonder if her asthma should have been diagnosed as SUBLUXATION. What would have happened to her if over the last two years she had been on steroids rather than chiropractic care?”
5) Asthma and chiropractic. Garde R. Chiropractic Pediatrics. Vol 1 No.3 Dec, 1994.
From the abstract: Case review of a 6-year-old boy who has had asthma since 1991 and his condition since chiropractic intervention. Child was prescribed aerosol inhalers (Beclovert and Vertolin) using them every day, up to three times a day. Adjustments were delivered to the cervical, thoracic and lumbar areas. Significant progress. Could run during soccer games and “almost never used his inhaler.” Slept more soundly. “Hardly ever had bouts with mucous clogged nasal passages.” Nasal inhalant use stopped.
6) Case history: an eight year old asthmatic patient. Cohen E. Today’s Chiropractic. Jan-Feb 1988, p.81.
Improvement in care of an 8 year old asthmatic who developed the condition at age two and successful response after chiropractic care.
7) Adjustive treatment for chronic respiratory ailment in a five year old. Case reports in chiropractic pediatrics. Esch, S. ACA J of Chiropractic December 1988.
This is the story of a 5 ½ year old girl with a four-year history of what the parents called “bronchial congestion.” She had pneumonia “several times a year” since she was 18 months old. In addition to he attacks of “bronchitis” she suffered from congestion and was wheezy after running and upon waking up in the morning. The father and mother both reported having allergies. Chiropractic Examination reveal subluxations at C-2, T-4 and L-5.At the second adjustment two days after the first the mother reported the child was not coughing as much and by the third visit a week later the mother reporting the child was breathing normally. Twelve adjustments were given over three months and the chief complain did not recur. A follow-up call four years later revealed no recurrence.
8) Asthma and Enuresis (Case Report #1374) Zell, Paul, ICPA Newsletter, May-June 1998
History: The pre-natal history was uneventful and the birth was a Cesarean type with high APGAR scores. The inoculation history was limited to one Polio shot at age 2 and 1 Diphtheria/Tetanus shot because of a reaction to the Diphtheria/Tetanus shot. At age 2, a congenital nevus was removed from the chin. Prior to the surgery the patient was exposed to chicken pox and following the anesthesia, noted personality changes were seen along with several gastrointestinal bouts of the flu and chicken pox. There were reported treated with Homeopathy. At age 3, asthma began to occur, along with many colds and flu’s. With age her resistance to colds and flu’s were improving, however the asthma was getting worse. It was triggered by virus, bacteria or allergies. The asthma required one hospitalization for 3 days, and a series of trips to the emergency room due to the severe effects of the asthmatic attacks. Medication included Intal twice daily. Proventil at onset of an episode, and the constant company of a nebulizer for the exacerbated episodes when the breathing was labored or became a crisis. The mother reports her daughter would cough up a ball of phlegm following each episode. Also reported was the frequent amount of bloody noses she has experienced.
Examination: A thorough chiropractic examination, full spine films were taken and analyzed. Differential instrumentation, motion palpation and static palpation verified the presence of vertebral subluxation complexes (VSC) at C-2, T-5, T-12, right Ilium and second sacral tuberosity. Postural analysis showed a left high head tilt, right high shoulder and left high ilium indicating the body was adapting to the stresses of the multiple VSC’s.
Care Plan: Recommendations at 3 times per week for 12 weeks were made due to the chronicity of the subluxations and the severity of the symptoms. Progress of the VSC healing was monitored on each visit and schedule changes made accordingly.
Progress: The patient improved following the first adjustment and after the fifth adjustment, the asthma and bedwetting ceased. The stabilization of the VSC took 6 months at 3 times per week. Care was reduced to 2 times per week for 6 months and now the patient is checked once a week in the wellness phase to maintain the corrections of the VSC and wellness.
Discussion: Initially the mother was hopeful that her daughter could be helped with chiropractic care. However, due to the duration and severity of the asthma, the mother was extremely guarded in the progress of the condition. She reports having to carry all of the mediation and Nebulizer wherever they went just in case it was needed. It has taken almost a year to start feeling comfortable that her little girl did not need mediation or a machine. Today the patient is an extremely active child playing soccer and participating in all activities a young person enjoys. She continues to get adjusted on a regular basis for wellness, allowing her body to heal itself as only it knows how to do.

achiro
10/13/2007, 01:50 PM
Additional Articles:
1) The asthmatic patient. Cessna R. American Chiropractor April 1989;48-50.
Discusses chiropractic success with asthmatics.
2) Asthma in a chiropractic clinic: a pilot study. Jamison JR, Leskovec K, Lepore S, Hannan P. J Aust Chiropractic Association 1986; 16(4): 137-43.
3) Chiropractic response in the pediatric patient with asthma: a pilot study. Peet JB, Marko SK, Piekarczyk. Chiropractic Pediatrics 1995; 1(4)9-12.
4) Chiropractic treatment of asthma – a controlled clinical trial. Bronfort G, Nielsen N, Bendix T, Madsen F, Weeks B. Proceedings of the 1989 International Conference on Spinal Manipulation. Washington, DC. Published by FCER Arlington, VA.
5) Management of pediatric asthma and enuresis with probable traumatic etiology. Bachman TR, Lantz CA Proceedings of the National Conference on Chiropractic and Pediatrics (ICA), 1991: 14-22.
A 34-month-old boy with asthma and enuresis had not responded to medical care. More than 20 emergency hospital visits had taken place for the asthma attacks during a 12 month history. Three chiropractic adjustments were administered over an 11 day period and the asthma symptoms and enuresis ceased for more than 8 weeks. The asthma and enuresis reoccurred following a minor fall from a step ladder but disappeared after adjustments. After a two year follow-up, the mother reports no reoccurrence of the asthma or the enuresis.
6) Mechanisms and Chiropractic Management of Bronchial Asthma. Monti R. Digest of Chiropractic Economics Sep-Oct 1991;48-51.
Describes the pathophysiology of asthma and the author’s chiropractic results.
7) Chiropractic and visceral disease: a brief survey. Wiles R, Daikow P. J Calif Chiro Assoc, 16(4): 137-143, 1986.
A survey of 17 D.C.s of whom 15 had cared for asthmatics. Areas of the spine adjusted C0- C2 47%, C3-C7 33%, T1-T6 80%, T7-T12 40%, Lumbar 7%, Sacro-iliac 13%,.
8) A wholistic approach to the treatment of bronchial asthma in a chiropractic practice. Lines DH. Chiro J Aust 1993;23:4-8.
A comparison of the effect of chiropractic treatment on respiratory function in patients with respiratory distress symptoms and patients without. Hviid C; Bull Eur Chiro Union 1978; 26: 17-34 / Mantis ID: 3222 76.5% of patients with bronchial asthma said they benefited from chiropractic treatment. Peak flow rate and vital capacity increased after the third treatment.