BCA still fighting the anachronistic Civil Rights movement.

[SoonerStormchaser]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3055685

What a total crock! Yah...let's make the courts determine SPORTS!

[OklahomaTuba]

What a mental midget.

[snp]

Maybe I'm naive, but I think teams care about winning, not the color of the coaches skin.

It all starts out at the GA level. The majority of these positions are filled by white kids and that trickles down to the other coordinator and coaching jobs. There just isn't that big of a pool of black coaches to draw on. Hell, besides Sumlin, is anyone aware of another black offensive coordinator in NCAA?

And if you're gonna make mostly white schools at least interview black candidates, shouldn't mostly black schools have to interview a white candidate?

[royalfan5]

Maybe I'm naive, but I think teams care about winning, not the color of the coaches skin.

It all starts out at the GA level. The majority of these positions are filled by white kids and that trickles down to the other coordinator and coaching jobs. There just isn't that big of a pool of black coaches to draw on. Hell, besides Sumlin, is anyone aware of another black offensive coordinator in NCAA?

And if you're gonna make mostly white schools at least interview black candidates, shouldn't mostly black schools have to interview a white candidate?
Jay Norvell at UCLA is one. Joker Phillips at Kentucky is another.Turner Gill is his own OC at Buffalo.

[badger]

In a recent "I'm turning 70" interview, King Switzer said he was rather upset at the recent comments by Donovan McNabb about the struggles he's faced with being a black quarterback. Barry said something like:
"Son, I've been coaching black athletes at quarterback since before you were born and you have NO idea what stuggles they faced."

As for coaching, I think when you have a college football or basketball program that brings millions of donations to the university, both for athletics and academics, you need to bring in someone with experience and dependability. How many black candidates have top resumes that can be trusted with a multi-million dollar program? Unfortunately, the most qualified minority candidates to fill that void in football are in the NFL, and the NCAA would probably be a step down to them.

This BCA should also include basketball and other programs in the mix as well. OU hired Jeff Capel, who is a firey, rising star in college basketball recently to replace another minority coach, Kelvin Sampson. We also have Santiago Restrepo, who is a Hispanic from South America (replacing a Hawaiian-native coach) in volleyball, and while his name will not be etched in stone in Sooner history, we also gave alumnus John Blake a chance to lead football.

Aside from minorities, I hope they also look at the opportunities given to women in top athletic positions. When half (by Title IX standards) of athletes are now female at most major programs, you want a discrepancy, look at that too :mad:

[misplaced_sooner]

Maybe somebody needs a lawsuit about stating there must be an equal number of black and white players on the field. But that wouldn't be fair would it?

Andrew

[badger]

Maybe somebody needs a lawsuit about stating there must be an equal number of black and white players on the field. But that wouldn't be fair would it?

Andrew
I would settle for an equal number of Oklahoma players :O

[Blues1]

How many College Coaches have been from a Welsh back ground -- ? Or German -Poland - Russia - Japan -- ?? -- How far do they take this..?? - Why do we always see this country in just B&W ...?? -- Show me someone from China or any asian country who can produce 9 to 10 or more wins on regular basis and he will have a great College Coaching job.....JMHO...!!!

[yermom]

Maybe somebody needs a lawsuit about stating there must be an equal number of black and white players on the field. But that wouldn't be fair would it?

Andrew

now that is funny. there should be a White Players Association

why are they just looking at head coaching positions?

and seriously, you want to gripe about Alabama? it's about as dumb as griping about South Carolina. find me another coach, black, white, whatever that compares to the resumes that Saban and Spurrier had at the time of their hires.

John Blake probably set them back 20 years with his performance at OU ;)

[fadada1]

Show me someone from China or any asian country who can produce 9 to 10 or more wins on regular basis and he will have a great College Coaching job.....JMHO...!!!
NORM CHOW????



hey, what do you expect from a german/scottish/irish AMERICAN???? that's right. i said it. AMERICAN.. i am AMERICAN. not white. not black. just AMERICAN.

i'm proud of my heritage too. but i'm not going to lobby to have the world call me a west-european american. American will do just fine. Hell, so will WHITE.

[badger]

find me another coach, black, white, whatever that compares to the resumes that Saban and Spurrier had at the time of their hires.
I think it would be fair to argue that Spurrier and Saban had more opportunities to build such resumes than some of their counterparts, regardless of background. For example, Spurrier had the chance to star at Florida because he was a Heisman winner for UF.


John Blake probably set them back 20 years with his performance at OU ;)
To be fair once again, Blake had a virtually impossible situation to succeed in. He was a fairly new coach who had to take a failing program to the top in less than five years. While Blake may not have been the greatest head coach, he was an excellent recruiter and brought in some top talent for Stoops to work with.

Look at Tony Dungy. He had a bad situation in Tampa Bay. He got fired. He went to another program and got them a Super Bowl. OU wasn't the perfect fit for Blake. Maybe another program is, because he does have some good qualities as a coach, regardless of the "twister board" jokes and other "Boo Blake" comments that often filter through here ;)

[CobraKai]

To be fair once again, Blake had a virtually impossible situation to succeed in. He was a fairly new coach who had to take a failing program to the top in less than five years. While Blake may not have been the greatest head coach, he was an excellent recruiter and brought in some top talent for Stoops to work with.

Had Blake done everything right, brought in top talent, and simply lost I would agree. While he did bring in some top talent, so did Gibbs and Schnelly. Blake took over a team that had not had a losing season in 30 years and led them to 3 straight. The guy that replaced him and the guys that preceded him did not have that problem. My main complaint with Blake was the fact that our teams were so dramatically unprepared it bordered on asinine. We actually had "twister mats" on the sidelines for the players to stand on so they could keep straight how many players needed to be on the field for a punt. We once played 5 QBs in one game alone. We spent an entire off-season scheming to run the bone. Prior to the season ever starting Switzer was on the radio saying "it won't work. They are lining up WAY too deep." Sure enough it did not, and after 3 offensive series we changed our offensive philosophy. Name a coach, regardless of color, that would not be fired with that resume?

Honestly, if Blake was not given a fair shake, then how bad did Gibbs get shafted. He recruited far better (even while on probation), and performed dramatically better on the field.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

As a Native American I wanna know where Coach Running Water is! Or the D coordinator Sitting on Eagles Beek....

[fadada1]

To be fair once again, Blake had a virtually impossible situation to succeed in. He was a fairly new coach who had to take a failing program to the top in less than five years. While Blake may not have been the greatest head coach, he was an excellent recruiter and brought in some top talent for Stoops to work with.

STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!!

i'm sick to death of this tired, old argument. if bob stoops has shown us anything, he can do "more with less" than just about anyone. look at teddy lehman, josh, hybl, Q. other than roy williams, who was a 5 star recruit from the 2000 championship team??? have any of our linebackers been listed as 4/5 star recruits?? what about quarterbacks??? other than nichol... didn't we have a wide receiver lead us to a conference championship last year???

john blake had no business coaching at OU in anything other than a position coach role. blake left us a bunch of out-of-shape mama's boys that had no desire to win. stoops turned average (at best) athletes into champions by teaching them football basics (which blake didn't do), conditioning (which blake didn't do), and the desire to win (which blake didn't do). our team was not improving his last year - it took everything but the kitchen sink to pull out the 5 wins we had. blake sucess (or failure) had nothing to do with the color of his skin, but everything to do with his inability to coach.

sorry. i'm done.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

As a Native American I wanna know where Coach Running Water is! Or the D coordinator Sitting on Eagles Beek....


Nevermind..I just saw them at the casino smoking cigarettes and drinking Canadian Hunter

[Doged]

I think anything referencing race does NOT belong in an organization's name. Black Coach's Assoc, White Coach's Assoc (can you imagine the backlash if someone did that), Hispanic Coach's Assoc, Asian Coach's Assoc... all are equally inappropriate and out-dated.

Their proponents argue that would dilute their culture. I say minority culture is mainstream now in America. It's in our music, literature, art and language. It's part of the American culture now and it's WAY past time for people to stop being racist because a few black coach's want them to be.

No one should be granted an interview, a job or anything else based on their race. They're all Americans and thus all should compete on an equal footing with the best fit for the job getting that job.

Utopian, I know, but I get tired of racism being perpetuated in the name of stamping out racism. There's gotta' be a better way.

[Condescending Sooner]

If there are only two black coaches, how do they have an association?

[royalfan5]

If there are only two black coaches, how do they have an association?
There's more than two. Only two new black head coaches were hired last season.

[fadada1]

croom = bad coach in a tough conference
willingham = good coach that was hosed by the domer elite
shannon = good coach that will recruit every hood in miami

hmmm, sounds much like the sucesses and failures of white coaches.

[royalfan5]

croom = bad coach in a tough conference
willingham = good coach that was hosed by the domer elite
shannon = good coach that will recruit every hood in miami

hmmm, sounds much like the sucesses and failures of white coaches.
MSU has looked a lot better this year. I don't know if I would call Croom a bad coach yet or not. MSU was a trainwreck when he took over.

[fadada1]

MSU has looked a lot better this year. I don't know if I would call Croom a bad coach yet or not. MSU was a trainwreck when he took over.
they may be more competitive, but they're still not winning much.

[Suerreal]

Until the day arrives when the T Boone Pickenses, Nobles, Gaylords, and other multi-million dollar donors "look like America", don't expect the coaches who have to mine them for huge sums of money to keep programs growing and competitive to "look like America".

I do not believe at all that there is any plan at the individual school level or the NCAA level to exclude minorities from coaching. But I do believe that minority coaches can better succeed in the NFL where they are coaches first, rather than salesmen to both big donors and recruits. And if persons of color who aspire to become bigtime coaches believe that, who can blame them for opting for the NFL over the NCAA?

[royalfan5]

they may be more competitive, but they're still not winning much.
They are 4-2 with their only losses to Top 10 teams. That's pretty decent in my book at this point in the season.

[yermom]

their remaining schedule is tough, i only see one real sure win

[fadada1]

They are 4-2 with their only losses to Top 10 teams. That's pretty decent in my book at this point in the season.
eh, yer smokin' crack.

:D

[AlbqSooner]

Blake was a very good defensive coordinator but a horrible head coach. A few other coordinators (offensive and defensive) who were not good head coaches include Gomer Jones, Galen Hall, and Gary Gibbs.

Tony Dungy inheirited a terrible program at Tampa Bay. He built it up to a playoff team and got fired. They brought in Gruden who won the Super Bowl with almost exclusively Dungy players playing against a team whose playbook Gruden knew by heart. Dungy got a raw deal from Tampa Bay.

[King Crimson]

Where was Blake a D Coordinator?

[bluedogok]

He wasn't, he was a defensive line coach at Dallas under Jimmy Johnson.


they may be more competitive, but they're still not winning much.
MSU didn't do that well with Jackie Sherrill either, they did something occasionally and that is about it.

[royalfan5]

Blake was a very good defensive coordinator but a horrible head coach. A few other coordinators (offensive and defensive) who were not good head coaches include Gomer Jones, Galen Hall, and Gary Gibbs.

Tony Dungy inheirited a terrible program at Tampa Bay. He built it up to a playoff team and got fired. They brought in Gruden who won the Super Bowl with almost exclusively Dungy players playing against a team whose playbook Gruden knew by heart. Dungy got a raw deal from Tampa Bay.
Had he not fallen flat in the playoffs every year, he wouldn't have gotten a raw deal.

[Sooner_Havok]

Had he not fallen flat in the playoffs every year, he wouldn't have gotten a raw deal.


Two words for ya: Marty Schottenheimer

[NorthernIowaSooner]

the best coach gets the job in my mind with race unrelated, if that is a factor, which no one could ever prove then yes it is wrong but until then i still think its the best coaches getting the jobs

[insuranceman_22]

This sux.....people need to get over this stupid ****. It's not just football, it's in the news nearly everyday about somebody being screwed over for race. As you get older, the more of this **** you see, it kind of makes you think "tough" because you've heard it so much. I understand America is where we live, I'm predominately German in heritage, but I'm never given a Heil Hitler, nor would I, I am an American. Don't care where your from (part of the country), what color you are or what you look like. If you born here and speak English, you're probably an American too. We're sort of in the deal together. So stop complaining all the damn time!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

You can mandate all the interviews you want, that won't create a hire. It will only create interviews.

[mustangsooner]

This was the plot the whole time. No one wants to win football games they just want to keep black coaches out. The NCAA has been planning this for years.