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tommieharris91
9/30/2007, 06:38 PM
10/1/07

One Game NL Wild Card Tiebreaker
San Diego (Peavy) at Colorado (Fogg), 6:37 CT, TBS

Winner will play against Philadelphia.

I'm hoping for a wild baseball playoffs, and of course, a Cubs World Series victory. I;m not saying the Cubs will win it all, though.

Newbomb Turk
9/30/2007, 06:54 PM
So in the AL it's:
Red Sox / Angels
Indians / Yankees

NL:
Cubs / Diamondbacks
Phillies / Rockies or Padres


right?

tulsaoilerfan
9/30/2007, 08:05 PM
So in the AL it's:
Red Sox / Angels
Indians / Yankees

NL:
Cubs / Diamondbacks
Phillies / Rockies or Padres


right?
Yes

Mixer!
9/30/2007, 11:02 PM
GO ROX!

tommieharris91
10/1/2007, 07:09 PM
Mid 2nd, Rox up 2-0.

tommieharris91
10/1/2007, 07:42 PM
Its become a pretty crazy game.

5-4, Padres. End 3rd.

Newbomb Turk
10/1/2007, 08:43 PM
6-5 Rockies, top 7.

tommieharris91
10/1/2007, 10:07 PM
6-6, 11th starting. Great game.

Sooner98
10/1/2007, 11:15 PM
Wow, Hoffman gives up double, double, triple. Rockies tie the game, no outs, runner on third!

critical_phil
10/1/2007, 11:16 PM
this game is unreal.

colleyvillesooner
10/1/2007, 11:16 PM
This is a hell of a game.

Padres take 8-6 lead in top of the 13th with a 2 run HR.

Rockies come back in the bottom of the 13th with back to back doubles, then a triple to tie it.

Bottom 13th
Padres 8
Rockies 8

0 outs, man on 3rd

tommieharris91
10/1/2007, 11:17 PM
So in the 13th Scott Hairston hits a 2-run HR. In the bottom half of the inning, Kaz Matsui doubles, Troy Tulowitzki doubles, then Matt Holliday clinches the NL batting and RBI titles with a triple. 8-8, still no out.

Sooner98
10/1/2007, 11:17 PM
Rockies win!!!! What a game, what a finish!

colleyvillesooner
10/1/2007, 11:17 PM
ballgame.

and down goes Matt Holliday. hurt on the slide into home.

tommieharris91
10/1/2007, 11:18 PM
Holliday scores, Rox win the Wild Card 9-8. Holliday is hurt.

Sooner98
10/1/2007, 11:19 PM
Holliday looks like he got jacked up on the play at the plate. Good to see him redeem himself after his left field blunder in the eighth.

Ardmore_Sooner
10/1/2007, 11:19 PM
What happened to him?

colleyvillesooner
10/1/2007, 11:19 PM
Heh, dumb poke never touched the bag ;)

tommieharris91
10/1/2007, 11:20 PM
Wow, Holliday probably didn't touch the plate.

Sooner98
10/1/2007, 11:20 PM
Holy crap, he never even touched the plate! Maybe a case for instant replay in baseball? Nah...

tommieharris91
10/1/2007, 11:21 PM
[hairGel] YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRIAGHT!!

colleyvillesooner
10/1/2007, 11:28 PM
That Ump had a few very questionable ball strike calls throughout the game...

GrapevineSooner
10/1/2007, 11:31 PM
It looked to me like Holliday knocked Barrett's foot out of the way.

From there, I THINK he got home plate as evidenced by the dirt trail, but I can't tell.

I guess if you're a Padres fan and you want to complain about the call, go ahead. But your team had the career MLB leader in saves on the mound of a playoff game with a two run lead and he spit the bit. And he sure as hell wasn't fooling anyone out there.

Ardmore_Sooner
10/1/2007, 11:34 PM
That Ump had a few very questionable ball strike calls throughout the game...

Why are umpires still used for balls and strikes, when they now have computers to tell the difference on a ball and strike EVERY PITCH?

Ike
10/1/2007, 11:45 PM
Why are umpires still used for balls and strikes, when they now have computers to tell the difference on a ball and strike EVERY PITCH?

even the computers completely whiff on a few of those.

This pitchf/x system that they have for MLB gameday, and others, have some wonky stuff in the data. Like an intentional ball thats right down the middle of the plate....things like that.

Ike
10/1/2007, 11:48 PM
It looked to me like Holliday knocked Barrett's foot out of the way.

From there, I THINK he got home plate as evidenced by the dirt trail, but I can't tell.

I guess if you're a Padres fan and you want to complain about the call, go ahead. But your team had the career MLB leader in saves on the mound of a playoff game with a two run lead and he spit the bit. And he sure as hell wasn't fooling anyone out there.

So from the replay, it looked to me as though Hollidays hand just missed the plate, but he drug Barretts foot with him going by the plate. Barretts foot was half over the plate...it looked like Hollidays hand was under the ball of Barretts foot, and Barretts heel was over the plate. I don't think even the umpire saw whether or not he touched the plate, and called it late because he couldn't see the ball.

at least, thats how it looked to me.

ric311
10/2/2007, 06:35 PM
Holliday is fine, BTW. Just got a little cut up on the play at the plate. No serious injuries.


Go Rox. Kill the phils.

r5TPsooner
10/2/2007, 08:52 PM
GO CUBS!

tommieharris91
10/3/2007, 10:41 AM
10/3/07

All Times Central, All Games on TBS

NLDS, Game 1
Colorado (Francis) at Philadelphia (Hamels), 2:00

ALDS, Game 1
Los Angeles Angels (Lackey) at Boston (Beckett), 5:30

NLDS, Game 1
Chicago Cubs (Zambrano) vs Arizona (Webb), 9:00

GrapevineSooner
10/3/2007, 11:52 AM
As for predicitions, gimme....

NL
Phils over Rox in 4
Cubs over D-backs in 5

AL
Sox over Halos de Los Angelos in 4
MFYs over Trot and the Indians in 5 :(

AllAboutThe'O'
10/3/2007, 06:26 PM
I have officially climbed aboard the Rockies' bandwagon for this month only.

And the Rocks get off to a good start in the NLDS, beating the Pfighting Phils, 4-2.

My predictions:

Rockies in 4
Cubs in 4
Yankees in 4
Angels in 5

Rockies over Cubs in 6
Angels over Yankees in 7

Angels over Rocks in 7.

tommieharris91
10/3/2007, 09:51 PM
Webb is looking filthy. Zambrano needs to get it under control.

Mid 3rd
Cubs 0
Dbacks 0

In other news, Colorado won 4-2 and Boston won 4-0.

tommieharris91
10/4/2007, 12:36 PM
10/4/07
All times CT, All games on TBS

NLDS Game 2, Colorado leads 1-0
Colorado (Morales) at Philadelphia (Kendrick), 2:00

ALDS Game 1
NY Yankees (Wang) at Cleveland (Sabathia), 5:30

NLDS Game 2, Arizona leads 1-0
Chicago Cubs (Lilly) at Arizona (Davis), 9:00

tommieharris91
10/4/2007, 03:37 PM
All kinds of moves can be second-guessed in the first game. Both starters were pulled after 3 IP. And with all that, Kaz Matsui hits a grand slam.

Rockies 6
Phillies 3
Mid 4th

Ike
10/4/2007, 05:50 PM
C.C. Sabathia is looking a lot like he did the last time the Yanks faced him. a bomb and 2 walks and only one out in the first....

StormySooner-IN
10/4/2007, 06:31 PM
Indians 3
Yankers 1
2 Outs Bot 2nd


Their Chanting "Yankees Suck":D

tommieharris91
10/4/2007, 06:51 PM
Who is Asdrubal Cabrera?

tommieharris91
10/4/2007, 06:53 PM
LeBron the Bandwagon fan. He's prolly a dome fan, too.

Ike
10/4/2007, 07:04 PM
Cano absolutely tattooed that ball...

tommieharris91
10/4/2007, 07:10 PM
That was about the fastest I've ever seen a HR ball get over the fence.

Ike
10/4/2007, 07:56 PM
Yeah, it's not looking too good, but I have a feeling we will be in the tribes bullpen before too long...CC's already over 110 pitches. If only ours can hold down the fort.

Newbomb Turk
10/4/2007, 08:00 PM
Just turned this game on. me likey.

tulsaoilerfan
10/5/2007, 07:42 AM
Doug Davis " They swing at a lot of pitches that are balls" that right there pretty much sums up the Cubs offense for most of this season

tulsaoilerfan
10/5/2007, 07:43 AM
Cubs gave up 6 walks, and 4 of them scored; maybe if Lilly could have thrown strikes he would have lasted more than 3 innings.

ric311
10/5/2007, 05:14 PM
The Phillies and Cubs I see now are the Phillies and Cubs I saw in my yoot..."no pitching, last place mutts".
Maybe one could be the first (I think) NL team to come back from an 0-2 deficit in the Div Series....naaah

I believe the Padres did that in the NLCS against... The Cubs.

Ike
10/5/2007, 05:53 PM
I think that was the first time I ever saw a wheel move actually work in a non high school game....

Sooner98
10/5/2007, 07:04 PM
Man, a plague of bugs has struck the Cleveland area. Have the seals of the Book of Revelation been opened? This is weird stuff to watch.

GrapevineSooner
10/5/2007, 08:33 PM
Hafner drives in the winner in the 11th.

Tribe goes up, 2-0.

And A-R0D's now 0 for his last...oh, I've lost count. ;)

JohnnyMack
10/5/2007, 08:54 PM
Hey A-Rod, Continental is ready. Are you?

GrapevineSooner
10/5/2007, 10:40 PM
Jose Mota is the latin version of Eric Dickerson when it comes to sideline/dugout reporters.

GrapevineSooner
10/5/2007, 11:48 PM
And Manny Spoketh, "They shall play Dirty Water after I hit one into the night."

StormySooner-IN
10/6/2007, 01:00 PM
Hafner drives in the winner in the 11th.

Tribe goes up, 2-0.

And A-R0D's now 0 for his last...oh, I've lost count. ;):D

Newbomb Turk
10/6/2007, 01:20 PM
that was awesome baseball last night.

tulsaoilerfan
10/6/2007, 06:35 PM
Well cubs are already down 3-0 to the Backs; great job by Rich Hill of being a stopper.:mad:

tulsaoilerfan
10/6/2007, 08:33 PM
Cubs are done; what a great job they did in this series; one of the most pathetic performances in recent playoff history

Mjcpr
10/6/2007, 09:20 PM
That....was.....spectacular.

Oy. What'd they score, 4 runs in that series? Nice. Well, there's always next year. :rolleyes:

bluedogok
10/6/2007, 11:55 PM
Rockies Win!!!!

Scott D
10/7/2007, 01:15 AM
The Cubs were done back in Spring Training....the fans just didn't know it yet ;)

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2007, 05:33 PM
If Gagne blows this, they should kick him outta the team hotel tonight and make him fly back to Boston on commercial.

Newbomb Turk
10/7/2007, 05:38 PM
another sweep.

way to go sox.

Newbomb Turk
10/7/2007, 05:46 PM
I would be a happy camper if there is one more sweep.

tulsaoilerfan
10/7/2007, 05:50 PM
If there is a sweep, who will be the next Yankees manager?

Scott D
10/7/2007, 06:08 PM
With his obvious knowledge of how a manager should do things, George Steinbrenner is the leading candidate.

Sooner_Havok
10/7/2007, 06:33 PM
Cubs are done; what a great job they did in this series; one of the most pathetic performances in recent playoff history


Hey, Zambrano is going to pitch in game 4 on three days rest so you never know....

best of five series huh?






WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! LOU, YOU ARE A F***ING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!

Sooner_Havok
10/7/2007, 06:34 PM
If there is a sweep, who will be the next Yankees manager?


Lou Pinella, with any luck

Newbomb Turk
10/7/2007, 08:45 PM
well it looks like the ****ing yankees are going to win tonight.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2007, 08:49 PM
Go Yankees!!!
















hey, I want whoever the Sox face to have to go through a long ALDS series.

JohnnyMack
10/9/2007, 10:06 AM
Brian Cashman did this to them. He should be fired, not Torre.

GrapevineSooner
10/9/2007, 11:24 AM
To be fair, the Yankees offense shares some blame in this collapse. And this time, you can't completely pin the blame on Jeter.

Outside of Cano and Damon, it seemed like every other Yankee had a very poor series offensively.

Kind of like Vlad Guerrero.

Scott D
10/9/2007, 04:00 PM
George Steinbrenner did this to them. He should be fired, not Torre.

fixed :)

JohnnyMack
10/11/2007, 03:54 PM
As for predicitions, gimme....

NL
Phils over Rox in 4
Cubs over D-backs in 5

AL
Sox over Halos de Los Angelos in 4
MFYs over Trot and the Indians in 5 :(

You should avoid Las Vegas.

I'm just sayin'.

GrapevineSooner
10/11/2007, 04:11 PM
At least I got the only prediction I care about right. :D

GrapevineSooner
10/14/2007, 12:23 AM
Eric Gagne should be forced to give up whatever portion of his salary the Red Sox are paying him this year.

He absolutely f***ing sucks. I'm tired of him sparing me to death everytime he comes into a game. :mad: :mad: :mad:

colleyvillesooner
10/16/2007, 09:04 PM
Looks like the Red Sox better start making tee Times.

Can't wait for that Rockies Indians World Series rating bomb. :D

StormySooner-IN
10/16/2007, 09:09 PM
7-0 Tribe in the Bot 5th.

colleyvillesooner
10/16/2007, 09:35 PM
Back to Back to Back for the Sox

7-3 Top 6

GrapevineSooner
10/16/2007, 09:53 PM
Eric Gagne should be forced to give up whatever portion of his salary the Red Sox are paying him this year.

He absolutely f***ing sucks. I'm tired of him sparing me to death everytime he comes into a game. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Add JD "Nancy" Drew, Coco Crisp, and Julio Lugo to that list as well.

TopDawg
10/17/2007, 01:39 PM
Add JD "Nancy" Drew, Coco Crisp, and Julio Lugo to that list as well.

I wondered if you would add Drew to the list. And how could I forget Lugo? That dude cluttered up my fantasy team all year long.

GrapevineSooner
10/17/2007, 02:34 PM
I'd be remiss for not giving Cleveland their proper due.

They go 2-11 against the Red Sox and Yankees in the regular season.

They spanked the Yankees and are in the process of doing the same to Boston. And they're doing it with the things you need to do well this time of year.

Get timely outs and timely hits. And they're getting contributions from damn near everyone on the roster.

Newbomb Turk
10/18/2007, 12:02 PM
Add JD "Nancy" Drew, Coco Crisp, and Julio Lugo to that list as well.

agree, especially because these guys forced the sox to sign them.

r5TPsooner
10/18/2007, 03:41 PM
GO TRIBE!

TopDawg
10/18/2007, 03:53 PM
The Red Sox have become exactly what they hated: the New York Yankees.

Newbomb Turk
10/19/2007, 06:45 AM
Josh Beckett is a man - even though he's not 40 yet.

JohnnyMack
10/19/2007, 11:59 AM
C.C. is some staff ace. :rolleyes:

TopDawg
10/19/2007, 03:45 PM
Not quite. They're still playing.

If the Red Sox are content to just make it to the second round then I take back what I said before...they're not the Yankees.

GrapevineSooner
10/19/2007, 04:46 PM
If winning World Series Championships on a regular basis turns us into the Yankees...

Where do I get my pinstripes? ;)

Yes, I know. We're still down 3-2 to the Injuns and our starters not named Beckett need to figure out how to get past the 5th.

Newbomb Turk
10/19/2007, 07:18 PM
Joe Torre - you are a class act.
I hate the team you managed, but have always respected you.

Yankee organization - you are tards. First for getting rid of Torre, and secondly for making this look like you didn't fire Joe.

Newbomb Turk
10/20/2007, 08:48 PM
Drew and Lugo driving in runs. Not that I'm complaining but WTF?

StormySooner-IN
10/20/2007, 09:02 PM
10-1 BoSox bot 3rd

BoSox go thru Lineup


Manny gets walked.
Manny gets walked AGAIN.

GrapevineSooner
10/20/2007, 09:18 PM
I take back every bad word I've ever had for JD.



;)

JohnnyMack
10/21/2007, 09:56 PM
The Red Sox have become exactly what they hated: the New York Yankees.

I don't understand this post.

GrapevineSooner
10/21/2007, 10:24 PM
I'm sure it had something to do with Pedroia's slap in Game 4. :D

GrapevineSooner
10/21/2007, 10:27 PM
BTW, when did the Indians hire Dale Sveum as their 3rd base coach?

GrapevineSooner
10/21/2007, 11:04 PM
DIRTY WATER!!

Mixer!
10/21/2007, 11:30 PM
http://www.musicstack.com/user/whiplash/standellsdirty.JPG

GrapevineSooner
10/22/2007, 04:02 PM
I thought they sung Sweet Carolina during the middle of the 8th? ;)

tommieharris91
10/24/2007, 05:29 PM
My pick: Red Sawx in 6.

TUSooner
10/24/2007, 07:36 PM
My pick: Red Sawx in 6.
It think a Sox sweep. The Rockies have gone cold, lost momentum, etc. Plus the Boston Red Yankees just have too much. If the Rockies DO win toinght, I'll just change to "Sox in 5."

I was so happy when the Sox won last time, and I hate to abandon them so fast, but I've always liked the NL better, and the Rocks are such a real underdog... I dunno :pop:

AllAboutThe'O'
10/24/2007, 10:49 PM
It think a Sox sweep. The Rockies have gone cold, lost momentum, etc. Plus the Boston Red Yankees just have too much. If the Rockies DO win toinght, I'll just change to "Sox in 5."

I was so happy when the Sox won last time, and I hate to abandon them so fast, but I've always liked the NL better, and the Rocks are such a real underdog... I dunno :pop:
Well, judging from Game 1 tonight, it could be a very short series.

Betcha there'll be a lot of talking heads mentioning the long layoff as a big reason for the Rockies' performance tonight.

Mixer!
10/24/2007, 11:27 PM
That was an a$$-kicking of biblical proportions.

GrapevineSooner
10/25/2007, 10:28 AM
Well, I'm in the 'it was just one game' camp for right now.

I expect Ubaldo Jiménez to pitch better than Francis did last night.

Still, that's three consecutive games that the Red Sox offense has gotten into double digits. Which marginalizes the problem the Red Sox will have when the series shifts to Colorado this weekend if the trend continues tonight.

TUSooner
10/25/2007, 12:04 PM
Well, Becket can't pitch EVERY game; that might give the Rockies some hope, especially if they can get at Schilling.

Ike
10/25/2007, 12:26 PM
Well, Becket can't pitch EVERY game; that might give the Rockies some hope, especially if they can get at Schilling.

Schilling can be gotten to.

The game I am waiting to see (if it happens) is the one that Wakefield throws in Colorado...13 runs might not be enough for Boston if they throw a knuckleballer in a thin-air environment.

GrapevineSooner
10/25/2007, 12:34 PM
Schilling can be gotten to.

The game I am waiting to see (if it happens) is the one that Wakefield throws in Colorado...13 runs might not be enough for Boston if they throw a knuckleballer in a thin-air environment.

Shakey Wakey's not on the World Series roster thanks to back and shoulder injuries.

So sadly, you won't get that chance. ;)

Even moreso, we may have seen the last of Timmah in a Red Sox jersey. :(

tommieharris91
10/25/2007, 12:51 PM
I kinda expect Ubaldo do be a tad more effective than Francis was last night. I also am picking the Sawx tonight.

I think Colorado will tag Dice-K and whoever goes game 4.

TopDawg
10/25/2007, 12:53 PM
I don't understand this post.

It was something that I had kinda thought before, but then saw it spelled out in this article:


With the exodus under way and the Angels about to be swept at home, a chant went up behind the visitors' dugout: Bos-ton Red Sox. Bos-ton Red Sox. Such a mantra, this hymn without harmony, didn't come as much of a surprise. After all, America has become a Red Sox Nation, Boston now being baseball's biggest draw.

Rather, what was stunning about the drone, is how much the droners sounded like Yankees fans.

If there really was a Curse, as Red Sox fans like to say, perhaps it came with a codicil: You become what you hate.

With the Yankees now vanquished and leaderless, and their principal owner's faculties in question, the Red Sox can no longer be portrayed with much sympathy. The sentimental underpinnings on which the Red Sox Nation was created owed everything to that team in the Bronx. The Red Sox can be underdogs only in relation to the Yankees.

But now that notion has perished. The Red Sox are the best team in baseball. They should beat the Cleveland Indians and win the World Series without too much difficulty. Still, it's difficult to root for a team that can pay $14 million per to J.D. Drew, who, by the way, won't even start in Game 1 of the ALCS.

According to Opening Day salary figures, the Red Sox began the season as a $143 million enterprise (this excludes the $6 million salary they'd pay a mid-season pickup Eric Gagne). The Indians, by contrast, had a $61 million payroll. That gap — approximately $82 million — is considerably more than the gap between the Red Sox and the Yankees.

The Yankees have committed any number of profligate and mercenary acts (the $28 million prorated salary for Roger Clemens comes first to mind, though Jason Giambi and Carl Pavano are up there, too). Still, a good chunk of the Yankee payroll has gone to proven players who never played for another major league team: Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Hideki Matsui and, in years past, Bernie Williams.

The Red Sox, by contrast, have not exactly been models of continuity. Julio Lugo, for example, is their fourth starting shortstop since 2004, when they won the World Series with Orlando Cabrera. Of the 25 players on Boston's World Series roster, only eight remain with the team: Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Curt Schilling, Mike Timlin, Jason Varitek, Tim Wakefield, Doug Mirabelli and Kevin Youkilis (who didn't get a World Series at-bat). Of those eight, it bears mention, only two made their big league debuts with Boston.

It's been almost five years since Red Sox president Larry Lucchino labeled the Yankees "The Evil Empire." It was a great line, and sportswriters everywhere remain indebted to him. But let's frame its context. His utterance followed the Yankees' signing of Jose Contreras, a move that once again demonstrated the Empire's capacity for expensive folly. Still, one imagines Lucchino vowing it would never happen again.

In 2007, the Red Sox outbid everyone, including the Yankees, for the rights to Daisuke Matsuzaka. Those rights came at a price of $51 million. And though that figure is not reflected in the Red Sox payroll, it represents almost 84 percent of the Indians' Opening Day roster budget, which was 23rd in the majors. Then again, Cleveland is almost a big market team compared to the Rockies and the Diamondbacks (25th and 26th in payroll at $54 million and $52 million, respectively).

But back to the ALCS, which begins tonight at Fenway Park. Perhaps you shall hear from those venerable voices of Red Sox Nation, Doris Kearns and Stephen King. Or maybe it will be a newcomer, like Kevin Garnett. They will extol the virtues of Boston's baseball team. But what are those, exactly?

Save for a withering owner, the Red Sox are not at all unlike their former nemesis. They are an empire of their own now. And if you rooted for the Red Sox because they weren't the Yankees, aren't you now obligated to root for the Indians?

Do the math. Add the salaries of C.C. Sabathia, Fausto Carmona, Grady Sizemore, Franklin Guttierrez, Jhonny Peralta, Chris Gomez, Rafael Betancourt, Rafael Perez and Ryan Garko.

Now what do you have?

About a half million less than J.D. Drew.

TopDawg
10/25/2007, 12:56 PM
If winning World Series Championships on a regular basis turns us into the Yankees...

Where do I get my pinstripes? ;)

Yes, I know. We're still down 3-2 to the Injuns and our starters not named Beckett need to figure out how to get past the 5th.

Heh. Man, that was a heckuva series rally. The BoSox bats (besides Manny, Papi and Goatee) are awake which is scary.

JohnnyMack
10/25/2007, 02:38 PM
It was something that I had kinda thought before, but then saw it spelled out in this article:

I don't really believe that the Red Sox are the new Yankees. When I think of the Yankees I think of a franchise that has been dominant for decade upon decade. The Yankees are THE monolith of American sports. I would say that only the Montreal Canadiens come close to rivaling them in North America.

It would be like having the Minnesota Golden Gophers rise up in Football and winning a couple of MNC's in football. Yeah, they were good back in the day and now they're winning again, but they're not Notre Dame or Alabama or Oklahoma. I just don't buy the argument that the BoSox are the new Yankees. Sure Boston is good, and it definitely appears that the Yankees are on the verge of becoming the underdog for now, but the Boston Red Sox will never be the New York Yankees.

On a side note, I actually enjoy watching this Boston team. They seem to be having a good time. Unlike the Yankees. One thing that always rubbed me the wrong way about the Yankees under Torre was how little fun they seemed to be having. Talk about robots. Yeah they were great ballplayers, but they sure didn't ever seem to be having a good time doing it (Paul O'Neill immediately jumps to mind).

GrapevineSooner
10/25/2007, 03:05 PM
Heh. Man, that was a heckuva series rally. The BoSox bats (besides Manny, Papi and Goatee) are awake which is scary.

2004 was all about being just a bit better and more resilient than the Yankees in Games 4, 5, and 6 before winning Game 7 in a blowout.

This year, the only drama we had to really go through was in Games 5 and 7 through the 7th. Game 6 was basically over after the 3rd inning.

Scott D
10/25/2007, 04:00 PM
Yeah they were great ballplayers, but they sure didn't ever seem to be having a good time doing it (Paul O'Neill immediately jumps to mind).

that kinda sums up Paul O'Neill during his entire career. Never have I seen one player seem to hate the fact that he played a pro sport more than him. Well maybe Kevin McReynolds, but that's about it.

TopDawg
10/25/2007, 05:39 PM
I don't really believe that the Red Sox are the new Yankees. When I think of the Yankees I think of a franchise that has been dominant for decade upon decade. The Yankees are THE monolith of American sports. I would say that only the Montreal Canadiens come close to rivaling them in North America.

Yeah, tradition-wise, they don't match up. That's so far from the truth, I didn't think anybody would assume that's what I was trying to say.

I was just saying that I think the jist of that article...or at least what I got out of it...was that, history aside, the Red Sox have become what they hated. When you just look at their current situation, Boston is the cocky, talented, "#1 seed," spending money like crazy. Those are a lot of the same reasons people hated the Yankees.


On a side note, I actually enjoy watching this Boston team.

I don't. I've always been a Yankee fan, but I've never really hated Boston just because they're Boston. I cheered against them for a long time because I love streaks and stuff like that and the Curse of the Bambino was one of the greatest baseball stories/legends of all time. Since it's been broken, I've never really felt compelled to cheer for or against Boston except when they're playing the Yanks.

But some of these guys just bug me. I admire their talent, but Papelbon's glare and Manny's ego, among other things, are tired.

GrapevineSooner
10/26/2007, 11:57 AM
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JohnnyMack
10/26/2007, 12:55 PM
I was just saying that I think the jist of that article...or at least what I got out of it...was that, history aside, the Red Sox have become what they hated. When you just look at their current situation, Boston is the cocky, talented, "#1 seed," spending money like crazy. Those are a lot of the same reasons people hated the Yankees.

I don't have it in front of me, but I wonder what the average payroll of the World Series winner is for the last 20 years? I wonder where that average lands in terms of where it stands against other teams in the League? My point is that in baseball, if you have an owner that is committed to spend money to make your team competitive, you're apt to do well. Seldom do we see a team maintain a high level of competition without spending lots of dough. Sure Colorado is having a good year now, but once these guys hit free agency and drive their asking price up, the Rockies ownership will either pony up the money and turn them into a power (like Ted Turner & Steinbrenner & John Henry all did) or they'll have a fire sale and Holliday will be wearing Dodger blue and Tulowitzki will be playing somewhere like Atlanta.

I guess my point is that it seems so hypocritical for Yankee fan to get mad at Red Sox fan just because the Red Sox ownership is finally taking them seriously. I think Yankee fan is getting a serious case of pucker-butt when they think about what direction the Yankees are heading for the next few years (new Manager, very young pitching staff, possibility of losing ARod, etc.) and are having to deal with the fact that Steibrenner & Cashman's method of developing this team into winners has come at a hell of a cost. But hell, once they lose A-Rod and blow out their young talented pitchers they'll just get more hired guns in to make another run at the WS. I don't begrudge the Yankees for doing it, because that's what baseball has become, just don't call Boston out for doing the same thing.

Ike
10/26/2007, 01:06 PM
I don't have it in front of me, but I wonder what the average payroll of the World Series winner is for the last 20 years? I wonder where that average lands in terms of where it stands against other teams in the League? My point is that in baseball, if you have an owner that is committed to spend money to make your team competitive, you're apt to do well. Seldom do we see a team maintain a high level of competition without spending lots of dough. Sure Colorado is having a good year now, but once these guys hit free agency and drive their asking price up, the Rockies ownership will either pony up the money and turn them into a power (like Ted Turner & Steinbrenner & John Henry all did) or they'll have a fire sale and Holliday will be wearing Dodger blue and Tulowitzki will be playing somewhere like Atlanta.

I guess my point is that it seems so hypocritical for Yankee fan to get mad at Red Sox fan just because the Red Sox ownership is finally taking them seriously. I think Yankee fan is getting a serious case of pucker-butt when they think about what direction the Yankees are heading for the next few years (new Manager, very young pitching staff, possibility of losing ARod, etc.) and are having to deal with the fact that Steibrenner & Cashman's method of developing this team into winners has come at a hell of a cost. But hell, once they lose A-Rod and blow out their young talented pitchers they'll just get more hired guns in to make another run at the WS. I don't begrudge the Yankees for doing it, because that's what baseball has become, just don't call Boston out for doing the same thing.

Yankee fans aren't mad at Boston for doing what they are doing. Yankee fans are mad because Boston continues to them the "Evil Empire" but then goes and copies their methods. ($51 million for Matsuzaka?????????). I have no problem with the Yanks being called the Evil Empire by Twins fans or Royals fans...but when you are dishing out 51 mil for a pitcher thats never seen more than washed up MLB talent before, it gets a little ridiculous.

This is really the only reason I can't stand Boston. That, and Manny.

JohnnyMack
10/26/2007, 01:17 PM
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JohnnyMack
10/26/2007, 01:20 PM
What other method do you suggest a team try in order to become competitive in the League in its current state?

And the Yankees will Always be the Evil Empire, just like Saxet will always be a bunch of sheep humpin' tea-sips.

GrapevineSooner
10/26/2007, 02:05 PM
Yankee fans do have a point.

Larry Lucchino labeled the Yankees the Evil Empire after they outbid the Sox for the services of Jose Contreras. In December, the Red Sox outbid everyone for the right to negotiate and sign Dice K. Does that make us evil? ;)

After the A-Rod trade, John Henry blasted the Yankees for outspending everyone. Steinbrenner rightfully pointed out that the Yanks are still playing by the same rules that the majority of owners in Baseball voted for.

Including John Henry.

I've never begrudged Steinbrenner for showing the utmost dedication to putting a winner on the field. He has the revenue streams to do so and just as Henry owes it to Sawx fans to not hold back financially, so to does Steinbrenner.

I don't necessarily think it's fair, but that's not Steinbrenner's problem. That's the problem of the owners who approved the current Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players.

GrapevineSooner
10/26/2007, 02:12 PM
What other method do you suggest a team try in order to become competitive in the League in its current state?

And the Yankees will Always be the Evil Empire, just like Saxet will always be a bunch of sheep humpin' tea-sips.

Well, the Indians payroll this year was in the 50-60 million dollar range. And they came within a win of the World Series this year.

And for anyone suggesting the Red Sox and Yankees are completely trying to buy a championship, I give you this list of players that were not bought:

Joba Chamberlain
Melky Cabrera
Robinson Cano
(Yankee fans, feel free to add to this list)

Dustin Pedroia
Jonathan Papelbon
Jon Lester
Kevin Youkilis
Jacoby Ellsbury
Clay Buchholz

JohnnyMack
10/26/2007, 03:27 PM
Well, the Indians payroll this year was in the 50-60 million dollar range. And they came within a win of the World Series this year.


And again I agree that a good year or two is possible when you get a Manager who pushes the right buttons, good chemistry between young and old players and unexpected production from rookies and other players who are early in their careers. What you won't get from the Indians is a team that sustains at that level with that payroll. The players who performed well will get paid (by Cleveland or some other team) and you'll have either an increased payroll and a winner or more "rebuiding". You simply can't have both in MLB when the MLBPA is so powerful.

Ike
10/26/2007, 07:36 PM
Yankee fans do have a point.

Larry Lucchino labeled the Yankees the Evil Empire after they outbid the Sox for the services of Jose Contreras. In December, the Red Sox outbid everyone for the right to negotiate and sign Dice K. Does that make us evil? ;)

After the A-Rod trade, John Henry blasted the Yankees for outspending everyone. Steinbrenner rightfully pointed out that the Yanks are still playing by the same rules that the majority of owners in Baseball voted for.

Including John Henry.

I've never begrudged Steinbrenner for showing the utmost dedication to putting a winner on the field. He has the revenue streams to do so and just as Henry owes it to Sawx fans to not hold back financially, so to does Steinbrenner.

I don't necessarily think it's fair, but that's not Steinbrenner's problem. That's the problem of the owners who approved the current Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players.

I'm not saying it makes anyone evil. All I'm saying is that it becomes the pot calling the kettle black wen Red Sox fans keep chanting that mantra over and over. Its tiring really.

Oh, and as for your list, even though they are well paid today, Jeter, Posada, and Mo could be easily added to it, as they have all been 'lifers' in the Yankee system.

Other guys that fit that bill as Yankee lifers from this team are Melky Cabrera, Hideki Matsui (although I don't know if I really count him, since they paid a pretty penny for him from Japan), Andy Phillips, Shelley Duncan, Chien-Ming Wang, and Sean Henn

Newbomb Turk
10/27/2007, 07:22 PM
Clay Buchholz

guy throws a no-no and I don't think he's even on the post-season roster.

Newbomb Turk
10/27/2007, 10:28 PM
Sources: Yankees expected to make record-setting offer to A-Rod
By Buster Olney
ESPN The Magazine

The New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy) have asked to meet with third baseman Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5275), and if and when they get that meeting, league sources indicate the team is prepared to make him an offer that will exceed, in average salary, the $27 million per year that he is scheduled to make over the next three seasons -- and A-Rod would be in line to set yet another salary benchmark.

The offer could be for something in the range of five years -- beyond the three years Rodriguez is already under contract for, from 2008-10 -- and perhaps $30 million a year. The highest per-workday salary earned to date is the $28 million Roger Clemens (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=3340) received, in prorated salary, for a little less than four months of work this season.

If the Yankees' extension offer is for something in the range of $150 million, over five years, then Rodriguez would be owed about $230 million over the next eight seasons.

It is unclear if the Yankees will get the meeting with the All-Star third baseman that they've requested. Rodriguez, 32, must inform the Yankees within 10 days of the conclusion of the World Series whether he will opt out of the last three years of his current contract. Yankees executives, from Hank Steinbrenner to team president Randy Levine to general manager Brian Cashman, have stated repeatedly that if Rodriguez opts out of the contract, they will not participate in any more bidding for the third baseman. If Rodriguez opts out of his current contract, the Yankees would lose $21.3 million in subsidy from the Texas Rangers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex), the team that signed Rodriguez to his current $252 million deal after the 2000 season.

Some executives are convinced that no other team will come close to the enormous extension offer the Yankees intend to make, and rival agents and executives are reading the steady stream of public negotiation rhetoric from agent Scott Boras as a bluff. But some officials cite Boras's history of taking his clients into free agency, and say they think Rodriguez will leave the Yankees.

Either way, it is the Yankees' intention to pay Rodriguez well, with a record-setting salary.

Rodriguez is expected to win the AL Hank Aaron award given to each league's best hitter as determined by radio and T.V. broadcasters. The award ceremony will be before Game 4 of the World Series on Sunday.

A-Rod will not be on hand to accept it, however. "He has a family matter," Boras said.

Scott D
10/28/2007, 09:04 AM
It's a sad world when MLB owners are Scott Boras' bitch.

Newbomb Turk
10/28/2007, 07:16 PM
I'd love to see Lester get the win tonight and for the Sox to finish it up, but I think the Rockies extend it one more game - just one.

Newbomb Turk
10/29/2007, 07:45 AM
I'd love to see Lester get the win tonight and for the Sox to finish it up, but I think the Rockies extend it one more game - just one.

or not.

GrapevineSooner
10/29/2007, 09:46 AM
I wonder what kind of a dance Paps will break out with at the parade?

TopDawg
10/29/2007, 09:51 AM
Congrats, Sox.

Ike
10/29/2007, 11:51 AM
Congrats Sox.

That was one miserable post season for me. Every single series was won by the team I didn't want to win. 0-7.

Scott D
10/29/2007, 11:54 AM
I'm glad it's over. I'm tired of my quality Fox programming being disrupted by baseball. :)

bluedogok
11/1/2007, 10:05 PM
Even though I am a Red Sox fan I always respected the Yankees homegrown talent that they had like Jeter, Posada, Bernie Williams that made up the core of their championship teams in the 90's. It makes me proud of the Sox that so many of their own players contributed so much to the series.

Ever since they went to the free agent/trade for an All-Star team route that has hastened the downfall of the Yankees. They traded away prime prospects for stars that never lived up to what they paid for them and it had come back to hurt them. They finally went back to the basics and rebuilt their scouting and farm system which has provided them with valuable contributors.